Omicron Protection

[chico bill]

Sorry, I should have been more specific and said ICU, not all counted in the hospital.
Many of the Covid cases counted in the hospital did not go to the hospital because of Covid.

Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue

covid-19.ontario.ca

Patrick Brown

@patrickbrownont

Further, it needs to be noted that over the past week, more than 50% of #COVID19 positive patients at
@OslerHealth
were admitted due to the virus or respiratory illness, while the remainder came to the hospital for other reasons but were also admitted with COVID-19.

I tried to follow this link but it said "Due to technical difficulties the vaccination status of the persons are not available".

I suspect because most are vaccinated

 

[chico bill]

Here's a possible over the counter remedy for Covid prevention.

Scientist surprised by discovery of '99%' effective, cheap COVID treatment * WorldNetDaily * by Art Moore

The scientist who combined two widely available over-the-counter compounds that inhibited the novel coronavirus by 99% in early tests told WND he's hopeful his treatment will be available "within months."

www.wnd.com

One of the know benefits of lactoferrin in mother's milk is that it prevents infection in babies so seems plausible.
And everyone had used Benadryl for cold relief but also aids in sleep and even aids Parkinsons disease

 

[fuchs4d]

Can't make this up.

Another coincidence:
Sahin, founder of Biontec and famous developer of one of the first mrna vaccines, together with Bill Gates, Angela Merkel and who chief Tedros in 2018:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1471894703859712011

Alexander

 

[fuchs4d]

Another good one "you can't make this up":

German health minister about the fact that the new "Novavax" vaccine is falsely labeled as a "dead vaccine" by the mainstream media (translated by google):

Twitter user: "Dear media: Can you please stop calling the Novavax vaccine a dead vaccine? It's a recombinant protein vaccine. For this, the spike protein is produced in moth cells with the help of baculoviruses and then formulated with Matrix-M adjuvant (a saponin)."

Health minister: "True. But because so many unvaccinated people only want dead vaccine, for whatever reason, Novavax, which will soon be available, will be referred to as such.

Source (remove spaces before first dot, do not want to pop up the tweet here): https://twitter .com/Karl_Lauterbach/status/1463636753240240130


Alexander

 

[mountainannie]

For COVID-19 vaccinations, party affiliation matters more than race and ethnicity

There's no reason to believe that these gaps in vaccination rates will disappear anytime soon.

www.brookings.edu

..."Of Americans surveyed from Sept. 13-22, 72% of adults 18 and older had been vaccinated, including 71% of white Americans, 70% of Black Americans, and 73% of Hispanics. Contrast these converging figures with disparities based on politics: 90% of Democrats had been vaccinated, compared with 68% of Independents and just 58% of Republicans.

A Gallup survey released on Sept. 29 confirmed the KFF findings. As of mid-September, 75% of adult Americans have been vaccinated, including 73% of non-Hispanic white adults and 78% of non-whites. Along party lines, however, the breakdown was 92% of Democrats, 68% of Independents, and 56% of Republicans."...

 

[windeguy]

Please post that link because it, while that was the case a few months ago, the tide has turned now and it is the opposite.
I suspect Omicron won't lead to many hospitalizations except for some very infirm already.

Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated – Full Fact

The vaccines are not perfect, and the vast majority of vulnerable people have been vaccinated, so the small proportion who get seriously ill still amount to a lot of people.

fullfact.org

Medical experts are now taking about Omicron being the "injection for herd immunity". Just last night on DR television I heard this yet again.
Remember when a very long two years world leaders who said such things were labeled as criminals?

 

[mountainannie]

"My mind is made up. Do not confuse me with facts." I will admit that there is a certain chuckle about the fact that the Republicans here in the US are the ones who seem to be anti-vac... and thus more likely to die... Because it is hard to understand why political leaders would want to kill off their constituents.

Here are some charts - of the difference in rate of death by vaccination status - from around the world - England, Switzerland, Chile, US etc...

How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not?

To understand how the pandemic is evolving, it’s crucial to know how death rates from COVID-19 are affected by vaccination status.

ourworldindata.org

Here in the US, the hospitals are now filling up with CHILDREN...

Fortunately, around where I live, the majority of people still at least wear masks in public places.

 

[windeguy]

Exactly. Glad you understand. And we will be happy.


Alexander

I understood the need to move on would happen without eliminating CV19 two years ago.
The technology to kill off CV19 did not exist then and it does not exist now.

 

[windeguy]

"My mind is made up. Do not confuse me with facts." I will admit that there is a certain chuckle about the fact that the Republicans here in the US are the ones who seem to be anti-vac... and thus more likely to die... Because it is hard to understand why political leaders would want to kill off their constituents.

Here are some charts - of the difference in rate of death by vaccination status - from around the world - England, Switzerland, Chile, US etc...

How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not?

To understand how the pandemic is evolving, it’s crucial to know how death rates from COVID-19 are affected by vaccination status.

ourworldindata.org

Here in the US, the hospitals are now filling up with CHILDREN...

Fortunately, around where I live, the majority of people still at least wear masks in public places.

Did you not read, from the experts on the topic, that unless people are properly wearing masks like an N95 mask properly, they are practically useless against Omicron? Think measles infection rates here. Doubles every 2 or 3 days.

Vaccinating children when there is even a small chance of bad side effects like myocarditis has shown to be a bit dicey.

Time to move on. CV19 isn't going to be stopped. It is going to be lived with from now on. The unvaxed and vaxed will just have to "live with" their respective death rates.

 

[Ecoman1949]

The dreaded C word is now part of Quebec’s response to rising Omicron infections. Over 14000 yesterday. A Canadian record since the pandemic began in 2020. The curfew requires people to be off the streets by 10PM and remain in their houses until 5AM. Only emergency services allowed outside. This is a provincial order. The remaining provinces don’t have a curfew ( yet).

Someone posted a few days ago and asked why the DR was doing so well keeping infection from spreading. Maybe the months long curfew was more valuable than people realize.

 

[william webster]

I don't think you can dispute the success of the curfew..... worked a couple of times here- IMO

 

[bob saunders]

"My mind is made up. Do not confuse me with facts." I will admit that there is a certain chuckle about the fact that the Republicans here in the US are the ones who seem to be anti-vac... and thus more likely to die... Because it is hard to understand why political leaders would want to kill off their constituents.

Here are some charts - of the difference in rate of death by vaccination status - from around the world - England, Switzerland, Chile, US etc...

How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not?

To understand how the pandemic is evolving, it’s crucial to know how death rates from COVID-19 are affected by vaccination status.

ourworldindata.org

Here in the US, the hospitals are now filling up with CHILDREN...

Fortunately, around where I live, the majority of people still at least wear masks in public places.

You do realize a large component of the anti-vaccination crowd are POC, mainly black Americans and young people, both groups that rarely vote Red.

 

[windeguy]

I don't think you can dispute the success of the curfew..... worked a couple of times here- IMO

I thought the curfew was good at keeping noise levels and crime down. That I won't dispute. I suspect most barrios had no
curfew restrictions past a few news reports of trying to stop some parties and domino games that went on anyway.

With Omicron, curfews won't make a significant difference with respect to catching it.

 

[windeguy]

The dreaded C word is now part of Quebec’s response to rising Omicron infections. Over 14000 yesterday. A Canadian record since the pandemic began in 2020. The curfew requires people to be off the streets by 10PM and remain in their houses until 5AM. Only emergency services allowed outside. This is a provincial order. The remaining provinces don’t have a curfew ( yet).

Someone posted a few days ago and asked why the DR was doing so well keeping infection from spreading. Maybe the months long curfew was more valuable than people realize.

Maybe.

Maybe the DR has a younger crowd than Quebec?

Whatever curfews did, they will not be nearly as effective against Omicron since it is far more contagious. But, they will probably try. Good for them, I say. Trying is all they can do. I would advise them to move on.

 

[mountainannie]

It does appear that while the OMICRON variant is more contagious, it has a lower fatality rate and is replacing the Delta variant where it appears.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Vaccinations

Our vaccination dataset uses the most recent official numbers from governments and health ministries worldwide. Population estimates for per-capita metrics are based on the United Nations World Population Prospects. Income groups are based on the World Bank classification. A full list of our...

ourworldindata.org

One health authority from Kansas said that the wave of Omincron variant had not yet reached there yet and their hospitals/ICUs were filled with patients with the Delta variant.

It is a gift from Mother Nature that this new variant is less likely to be fatal.

 

[ben jammin]

You do realize a large component of the anti-vaccination crowd are POC, mainly black Americans and young people, both groups that rarely vote Red.

I suspect these POC are the ones who mistrust everything govt. I also suspect they rarely vote at all.

 

[mountainannie]

Did you not read, from the experts on the topic, that unless people are properly wearing masks like an N95 mask properly, they are practically useless against Omicron? Think measles infection rates here. Doubles every 2 or 3 days.

Vaccinating children when there is even a small chance of bad side effects like myocarditis has shown to be a bit dicey.

Time to move on. CV19 isn't going to be stopped. It is going to be lived with from now on. The unvaxed and vaxed will just have to "live with" their respective death rates.

Well - unfortunately BOTH the vaxxed and unvaxxed will live with the choice made by the unvaxxed since the hospital admission rates are now creeping up again -
so that if an UNVAXXED person has a heart attack - or whatever-
there is a very good chance that there will not be room in the hospital for them.

I can certainly agree that it is "time to move on" - and the blessing seems to be that OMICRON appears to be less fatal.

I was ALL Set and excited about coming "out of isolation" after being double vaxxed and now boosted - going back to the Coffee Hour, Church, the gym, & the Bridge game -- AND would probably feel just fine still about it were there any assurances that everyone was "double vaxxed and boosted" - but -= One can not evidently ASK that of anyone.

Those who are "anti-vcxx" or just "unvaxxed" - can get Very Upset even being asked. As in "you have no right to ask me that"

Coffee hour and bridge have been cancelled.

One of my best friends here (A "Trumpie"-- yes I do have "Trumpie" friends) told me that he was unvaxxed and gave the same reasons as some here have done - about the new type of vaccines being untested etc...
I told him that while I disagreed with his choice, I respected his right to make it...

But that I would not be hugging him until this was all over.

 

[mountainannie]

You do realize a large component of the anti-vaccination crowd are POC, mainly black Americans and young people, both groups that rarely vote Red.

An opinion that does not appear to be supported by the data collected - https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

 

[mountainannie]

An opinion that does not appear to be supported by the data collected - https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

sorry -wrong link https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixg...liation-matters-more-than-race-and-ethnicity/
..."Of Americans surveyed from Sept. 13-22, 72% of adults 18 and older had been vaccinated, including 71% of white Americans, 70% of Black Americans, and 73% of Hispanics. Contrast these converging figures with disparities based on politics: 90% of Democrats had been vaccinated, compared with 68% of Independents and just 58% of Republicans."...

 

[mountainannie]

I suspect these POC are the ones who mistrust everything govt. I also suspect they rarely vote at all.

I know that this strays into US politics and I promise not to spend much time here -

JUST to put out more studies, like I like to do. I will NOT carry on more about US politics.

It was only because there was such a difference in voter affiliation and vaccination status.

There is a difference between racial groups in voting patterns between whites, and minority groups - Blacks and "Hispanics" (a bizarre split..) and now "Asians"
And typically a disparity by age with us elders voting more than the young.

But 2020 was the largest turn out ever in the US - with 68% of percent of registered voters..

.https://www.brookings.edu/research/turnout-in-2020-spiked-among-both-democratic-and-republican-voting-groups-new-census-data-shows/

..."Turnout showed distinct increases from 2016 among Asian American, Latino or Hispanic, and non-college white voters. Each displayed 2016-to-2020 turnout increases that exceeded 6 points or greater.

The non-college white rise in turnout is especially significant, as this group is linked to voting Republican in presidential elections, including in 2020. This group’s 2020 turnout rate of 64% was its highest since at least 2000, and served to close the gap between their turnout and the traditionally higher turnout of their less Republican-leaning college graduate counterparts (which rose by just 3 points, from 79% to 82%). This rise occurred among both non-college white men and women (Download Table A)."...

Turnout in 2020 election spiked among both Democratic and Republican voting groups, new census data shows

Turnout in the 2020 election was exceptionally high, resulting in a victory for Joe Biden. In response, some Republican-controlled state legislatures have enacted measures that would restrict voting in future elections among groups that often vote Democratic.

www.brookings.edu

Voter participation by African Americans - considered to be the "base" of the Democratic Party - appears to hold steady at about 12% of the voters which is proportional to their share of the population..

And "Hispanics" is -IMHO- an absurd grouping as that group divides between GOP and Dems, I think. The Cubans here in FL vote GOP - as did the Puerto Ricans who came here after Hurricane Maria... whereas more settled "urban" Hispanics - Dominicans, Mexican, etc... tend to vote DEM.

What is clear is that the share of white, non-college educated voters is a decreasing group.
(Hence all the efforts by the GOP to restrict voting access)

(For those who agree that he won, of course!)