Electric Cars in the DR

[NALs]

we've owned couple of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles and we primarily charge from home. Unless we're taking a long road trip we dont really think about range anxiety, keep in mid this is now in the US.

One of the things we're on the fence about our DR retirement is what to do with our full electric vehicle(not concerned with the plug-in hybrid). We currently own a rivian rs1 and the lack of maintenance support is my #1 concern with taking the vehicle to DR, the second being shipping the vehicle and the battery dying on the trip over. There have been several rivian owners that have done this one or two were not so lucky once the vehicle arrived and not taking a charge.

I'm not too concerned with the charging if we get it over there as it wouldnt serve as our primary vehicle(ill be retired and wouldnt be driving around much) so we can keep it plugged in to a 120v outlet. If we do end up building or buying a home we would have to look at having an electrician run a 240v 60amp circuit to the car port area.

Post 10 in the first page is about a Rivian (probably the first imported in the DR), but that was done by that dealership. They probably have knowledge regarding maintenance, though it's highly likely it's only for the EV's they sell.

 

[windeguy]

Post 10 in the first page is about a Rivian (probably the first imported in the DR), but that was done by that dealership. They probably have knowledge regarding maintenance, though it's highly likely it's only for the EV's they sell.

When bought my Santa Fe upon moving here brand new from Magan Motors, they didn't even stock relays for it. I became an expert at importing parts.

A Rivian dealer with an experienced mechanics and spare parts. . I repeat: FORGETABOUTIT!

 

[william webster]

Too bad
DR is a perfect place for EVs
400 mile range is just fine, who drives further than that ?

But…. I can’t see it EVs taking off here

 

[chico bill]

Too bad
DR is a perfect place for EVs
400 mile range is just fine, who drives further than that ?

But…. I can’t see it EVs taking off here

Well as Woody Allen said "Man can not live on bread alone. often there must be a beverage"
So matching that theme ..... Often there must be a return trip as well

 

[william webster]

Who drives 400 miles includes the return

What are you thinking ???
A trip to nowhere!!

 

[windeguy]

Too bad
DR is a perfect place for EVs
400 mile range is just fine, who drives further than that ?

But…. I can’t see it EVs taking off here

Can you imagine everyone in Santo Domingo or Santiago , the vast majority parking their cars on the streets since they have no garages, having to run extension chords from their third floor apartments to charge their cars? The DR is a horrible place for EVs.

 

[playacaribe2]

Can you imagine everyone in Santo Domingo or Santiago , the vast majority parking their cars on the streets since they have no garages, having to run extension chords from their third floor apartments to charge their cars?

People do not have gas stations/propane filling stations at their homes..............ditto charging for EV's. As EV adoption takes hold, facilities will be built to meet demand.

And those with Level 2 charging at home will merely reduce both the burden of adding new charging facilities and enhance the rapidity of adoption in the DR. The average daily commute is a total of 37 miles..................those with level 2 chargers will have little need to source a charging station away from home.

And those that do, ostensibly those you refer to who might be running those extension chords, will merely go to a rapid charging facility. But those people are so few and far between at this point, it really matters little.

The DR is a horrible place for EVs.

The DR is actually turning into a great place for EV's as the government is signaling. The DR does not want to return to those energy insecurity days when they literally had to beg for oil from Petrocaribe.

Certainly they will need to provide sufficient power to generate electricity.............but there are vast reserves of natural gas around the world to provide plenty of supply to the DR......and it is a lot less expensive than oil...........and certainly more environmentally friendly.

Natural gas is a great bridge fuel between oil and green energy.................just as Hybrids are a great bridge in the automotive space between gas/diesel and all electrics.

But electrics are here to stay in the DR. There full adoption may take decades..............but the current political handwriting is on the wall................at least for now. The 50% reduction in taxer for full EV's is proof positive of the commitment by the DR.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[chico bill]

Who drives 400 miles includes the return

What are you thinking ???
A trip to nowhere!!

Yes if an EV actually got 400 miles. They don't.
Run without AC or lights they might get 250.
Stop and go traffic in Santo Domingo then it drops.
But please drive one, use the AC and tell me what happens when your 40 miles outside of your return to Cabrera and the please recharge voice comes on. Where do you recharge?

 

[chico bill]

People do not have gas stations/propane filling stations at their homes..............ditto charging for EV's. As EV adoption takes hold, facilities will be built to meet demand.

And those with Level 2 charging at home will merely reduce both the burden of adding new charging facilities and enhance the rapidity of adoption in the DR. The average daily commute is a total of 37 miles..................those with level 2 chargers will have little need to source a charging station away from home.

And those that do, ostensibly those you refer to who might be running those extension chords, will merely go to a rapid charging facility. But those people are so few and far between at this point, it really matters little.



The DR is actually turning into a great place for EV's as the government is signaling. The DR does not want to return to those energy insecurity days when they literally had to beg for oil from Petrocaribe.

Certainly they will need to provide sufficient power to generate electricity.............but there are vast reserves of natural gas around the world to provide plenty of supply to the DR......and it is a lot less expensive than oil...........and certainly more environmentally friendly.

Natural gas is a great bridge fuel between oil and green energy.................just as Hybrids are a great bridge in the automotive space between gas/diesel and all electrics.

But electrics are here to stay in the DR. There full adoption may take decades..............but the current political handwriting is on the wall................at least for now. The 50% reduction in taxer for full EV's is proof positive of the commitment by the DR.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

Why should everyone including non-vehicle owners be forced to subsidize someone else's purchase of an EV by them evading the taxes they should pay? This is virtue signaling to the max.

Last time I looked electricity is more scarce in DR than gasoline.
Will the whole nation suffer outages to recharge widespread EVs?

We've all been plunged into the "EVs are gonna save the planet " absolute insane falsehood. People have become so gullible the current crop is truly "The Dumbest Generation."

Burn more coal to charge your future lawn ornament?
I don't think so scooter.

 

[playacaribe2]

Why should everyone including non-vehicle owners be forced to subsidize someone else's purchase of an EV by them evading the taxes they should pay? This is virtue signaling to the max.

Last time I looked electricity is more scarce in DR than gasoline.
Will the whole nation suffer outages to recharge widespread EVs?

We've all been plunged into the "EVs are gonna save the planet " absolute insane falsehood. People have become so gullible the current crop is truly "The Dumbest Generation."

Burn more coal to charge your future lawn ornament?
I don't think so scooter.

Governments, including the DR, have provided subsidies, to either hold prices down (food/electricity) or encourage industries. The EV tax reduction is the latter. And it is not tax evasion. That would be someone trying to illegally avoid paying taxes. In the case of the DR, the government itself condones/supports it.

Actual scarcity of electricity? That happens rarely usually when one of the power generators goes offline for maintenance. What does happen is the generators cutting back on production.....either because they have not been paid the subsidy by the government or the rolling blackouts in sectors that do not typically pay.

EV's may have been born out of a save the planet mindset, but they have gone well beyond that in adoption by more of society as the future of transportation.
The battle on both sides for/against will likely continue, but EV's whether you like them or loathe them.....are here to stay.

I continue to source EV's for clients in the DR, taking advantage of the tax incentives in the US as well as those in the DR. If done correctly, the cost is far less than buying and bringing in an ICE vehicle. How long that tax window stays open is anyone's guess.................but the savings is huge..............and that in part is why the number of EV's in the DR has gone from a few hundred six years ago to the thousands now in circulation and more and more arriving in the DR every year.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[mobrouser]

Where do the funds come from for road construction/maintenance in RD?
In North America, and I assume RD, it comes partially from taxes embedded in the price of gasoline. Typical user pay scenario. What is the plan as EV's become more prevalent?

 

[johne]

Governments, including the DR, have provided subsidies, to either hold prices down (food/electricity) or encourage industries. The EV tax reduction is the latter. And it is not tax evasion. That would be someone trying to illegally avoid paying taxes. In the case of the DR, the government itself condones/supports it.

Actual scarcity of electricity? That happens rarely usually when one of the power generators goes offline for maintenance. What does happen is the generators cutting back on production.....either because they have not been paid the subsidy by the government or the rolling blackouts in sectors that do not typically pay.

EV's may have been born out of a save the planet mindset, but they have gone well beyond that in adoption by more of society as the future of transportation.
The battle on both sides for/against will likely continue, but EV's whether you like them or loathe them.....are here to stay.

I continue to source EV's for clients in the DR, taking advantage of the tax incentives in the US as well as those in the DR. If done correctly, the cost is far less than buying and bringing in an ICE vehicle. How long that tax window stays open is anyone's guess.................but the savings is huge..............and that in part is why the number of EV's in the DR has gone from a few hundred six years ago to the thousands now in circulation and more and more arriving in the DR every year.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

PC
Some time back I asked this board if there was a subsidy supported by the government for solar power. As I recall the response that came back was NO. I'm curious as to why they would support the EV program and not solar if in fact that information I received was correct.

It might be some comfort to Chico Bill to know that some members of congress in the US are questioning the subsidy of EV. Could this be a possibility here in the DR?

 

[playacaribe2]

PC
Some time back I asked this board if there was a subsidy supported by the government for solar power. As I recall the response that came back was NO. I'm curious as to why they would support the EV program and not solar if in fact that information I received was correct.]

They do and have supported re-newables including solar since 2007. Ley 57-07* was the beginning of several laws encouraging the renewables industry in the DR.

The initial incentive was 100% tax reduction when introduced, reduced to 50% under President Medina and Pres. Abinader has been trying to get it it back up to 75%.

• Ley 123-01 also addresses re-newables.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[chico bill]

Governments, including the DR, have provided subsidies, to either hold prices down (food/electricity) or encourage industries. The EV tax reduction is the latter. And it is not tax evasion. That would be someone trying to illegally avoid paying taxes. In the case of the DR, the government itself condones/supports it.

I continue to source EV's for clients in the DR, taking advantage of the tax incentives in the US as well as those in the DR. If done correctly, the cost is far less than buying and bringing in an ICE vehicle. How long that tax window stays open is anyone's guess.................but the savings is huge..............and that in part is why the number of EV's in the DR has gone from a few hundred six years ago to the thousands now in circulation and more and more arriving in the DR every year.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

I beg to differ.

If I buy a hamburger with Angus beef and they charge me $400 pesos, and you buy one with Beyond Meat and only pay $300 pesos because the government subsidizes fake meat for its social engineering plan, then that reduces the cattle farmers market and his livelihood.

Same is true for EVs. You say they can be cheaper because you get tax breaks in two countries. So does that not screw the dealers here who sell ICE vehicles, or even hybrids? I say it does. The tax breaks are paid by people who do not want an EV. Where do you think the $7,500 tax rebate for EVs comes from ? There is no tax-rebate fairy !

But in the long term it won't matter. People will not be buying used EVs beyond 5 years old, so they will become the most environmentally unfriendly scam of all time, even worse than ICE vehicles and actually maybe they already are, even as new.

15 years from now we will all laugh at this idiotic movement and see the final folly of how it was conceived and go "DUH" at the reason it failed.

There will be large advancements in miles per gallon for ICE vehicles and probably hydrogen vehicles will become the most environmentally friendly of them all.

Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Hyundai, BMW and Audi are all working on perfecting hydrogen vehicles and 56,000 were sold last year.
So yes the future of EVs is an electric motor not powered by a fossil fuel burning plant, but by the cleanest of all power, a hydrogen fuel cell, or a FCEV.

And the range on Hyundai's Nexo is near 500 miles. Yes refueling stations will be needed - but once the greenies realize this is true environment engineering, and not pie-in-the-sky coal fired fueled electric cars, people will be eager to own a FCEV.

Alternative Fuels Data Center: How Do Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles Work Using Hydrogen?

afdc.energy.gov

 

[playacaribe2]

I beg to differ.

If I buy a hamburger with Angus beef and they charge me $400 pesos, and you buy one with Beyond Meat and only pay $300 pesos because the government subsidizes fake meat for its social engineering plan, then that reduces the cattle farmers market and his livelihood.

and that would be your right to differ....if you so desire.

Every subsidy, whether in the DR or elsewhere, has a benefit..........but also a burden. Ethanol subsidies to farmers in growing corn reduces demand for oil to be refined.............hurting exploration/drillers.

Such is the nature of any subsidy.

Same is true for EVs. You say they can be cheaper because you get tax breaks in two countries. So does that not screw the dealers here who sell ICE vehicles, or even hybrids? I say it does. The tax breaks are paid by people who do not want an EV. Where do you think the $7,500 tax rebate for EVs comes from ? There is no tax-rebate fairy !

But in the long term it won't matter. People will not be buying used EVs beyond 5 years old, so they will become the most environmentally unfriendly scam of all time, even worse than ICE vehicles and actually maybe they already are, even as new.

See above. Subsidies create benefits and burdens.

Most of the EV's I imported for a client were at or near the 5 year mark.....to take maximum advantage of the reduced taxes. They are all (30) now over 5 years and still operating.

There is still a very strong market for used EV's over 5 years old. That is evidenced by the prices dealers are willing to pay at auction. If there was no demand prices would fall but such is not the case.

15 years from now we will all laugh at this idiotic movement and see the final folly of how it was conceived and go "DUH" at the reason it failed.

There will be large advancements in miles per gallon for ICE vehicles and probably hydrogen vehicles will become the most environmentally friendly of them all.

Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Hyundai, BMW and Audi are all working on perfecting hydrogen vehicles and 56,000 were sold last year.
So yes the future of EVs is an electric motor not powered by a fossil fuel burning plant, but by the cleanest of all power, a hydrogen fuel cell, or a FCEV.

And the range on Hyundai's Nexo is near 500 miles. Yes refueling stations will be needed - but once the greenies realize this is true environment engineering, and not pie-in-the-sky coal fired fueled electric cars, people will be eager to own a FCEV.

Alternative Fuels Data Center: How Do Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles Work Using Hydrogen?

afdc.energy.gov

Fifteen years from now, EV's will comprise a much larger share of the transportaion market...............and pure ice vehicles much less. The sweetspot in my opinion will be the hybrids. But there is currently no incentives, tax or otherwise, in the DR or US for buying one.

Green hydrogen, blue hydrogen and lets not forget cng are all possible competitors. Who wins, or emerges as the eventual winner, is anyone's guess. Recall when the fledgling auto industry was first starting, there were gas powered, steam powered, and electric powered vehicles. Gas powered won due in large part to its overall cheaper price.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[chico bill]

and that would be your right to differ....if you so desire.

Every subsidy, whether in the DR or elsewhere, has a benefit..........but also a burden. Ethanol subsidies to farmers in growing corn reduces demand for oil to be refined.............hurting exploration/drillers.

Such is the nature of any subsidy.

See above. Subsidies create benefits and burdens.

Most of the EV's I imported for a client were at or near the 5 year mark.....to take maximum advantage of the reduced taxes. They are all (30) now over 5 years and still operating.

There is still a very strong market for used EV's over 5 years old. That is evidenced by the prices dealers are willing to pay at auction. If there was no demand prices would fall but such is not the case.


Fifteen years from now, EV's will comprise a much larger share of the transportaion market...............and pure ice vehicles much less. The sweetspot in my opinion will be the hybrids. But there is currently no incentives, tax or otherwise, in the DR or US for buying one.

Green hydrogen, blue hydrogen and lets not forget cng are all possible competitors. Who wins, or emerges as the eventual winner, is anyone's guess. Recall when the fledgling auto industry was first starting, there were gas powered, steam powered, and electric powered vehicles. Gas powered won due in large part to its overall cheaper price.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

Don't get me wrong I support everyone's right to buy and operate an EV anywhere in the world.
I do not like that I am paying any portion of my taxes to subsidize them, nor ethanol for that matter.

We should all pay (or chose not to buy) whatever the real cost of an item would be without government interference..
Heck the US subsidizes the pharmacy industry but yet US consumers pay the highest prices for drugs in the world because the government shields Big Pharma from competition, and at the same time makes them pay ungodly amount to receive drug approval

 

[RDKNIGHT]

My two cent I just rented a tesla in new york for 25days . After a few days of driving it around I actually like it better than a gas car . the tesla is super easy to drive and you hardly ever use the brake , now as far as charging from 15% to 85 percent it took 20 minutes at a tesla super charging station the time goes quick because in the car you have utube and Netflix and internet access actually pretty kool.. and the car will let you now where all the charging stations are located with the GPS . also on auto pilot the car drives it self your hands just need to be on the wheel.

Now the tesla for DR I wouldn't buy one the country is not ready . plus with all the safety devices the car would constantly be talking to you watch this watch that the way these people drive but I have been noticing it a lot more Teslas on the road in DR.



summary on a Tesla definitely an amazing car to drive I just don't know if the Dominican Republic infrastructure is ready with the charging stations

 

[JD Jones]

Yeah, I'm actually tired of watching all of the door to door self driving videos on 'X'

 

[windeguy]

People do not have gas stations/propane filling stations at their homes..............ditto charging for EV's. As EV adoption takes hold, facilities will be built to meet demand.

Normally we see things similarly, but that in the DR? Not happening any time soon. As in decades from now. That is how I see reality.

And those with Level 2 charging at home will merely reduce both the burden of adding new charging facilities and enhance the rapidity of adoption in the DR. The average daily commute is a total of 37 miles..................those with level 2 chargers will have little need to source a charging station away from home.

And those that do, ostensibly those you refer to who might be running those extension chords, will merely go to a rapid charging facility. But those people are so few and far between at this point, it really matters little.

Would that be 10% to 20% of people that have cars now who actually put them in secure locations with access to power? I don't see that many garages when I am in Santo Trafficjam nor in Santiago. Where most of the people and most of the cars are.

The DR is actually turning into a great place for EV's as the government is signaling. The DR does not want to return to those energy insecurity days when they literally had to beg for oil from Petrocaribe.

Certainly they will need to provide sufficient power to generate electricity.............but there are vast reserves of natural gas around the world to provide plenty of supply to the DR......and it is a lot less expensive than oil...........and certainly more environmentally friendly.

Natural gas is a great bridge fuel between oil and green energy.................just as Hybrids are a great bridge in the automotive space between gas/diesel and all electrics.

But electrics are here to stay in the DR. There full adoption may take decades..............but the current political handwriting is on the wall................at least for now. The 50% reduction in taxer for full EV's is proof positive of the commitment by the DR.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

I do hope they build many natural gas power plants here to provide more energy security . And finally get rid of the EDE's once and for all.

 

[SKY]

Here is a nightmare story of leaving your EV at the airport. You can read it, but here is the gist.

"Today I'm going to show you why, because I've landed right back from New York here in London, and now I'm faced with a bit of a dilemma because the car is not fully charged."


The driver explained that he charged the car before driving to the airport but it didn't have enough power left to get him home.

I've owned my EV for a year but 'despise it' - I can't even make a trip home

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