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I do live in DR, AND yes, Abi won fair and square, AND people are stilling leaving DR, so why say people are leaving Venezuela because Maduro is a dictator lol, people have been immigrating forever. Unless you're Native American you're an immigrant or your great-great-somebody was an immigrant. Also if Maduro is this murderer dictator who kills or jails anyone who opposes him how come Maria Corina Machado and Edmundo González are walking around free? If he was as the West wants to portray him, those two would've been killed a long time ago.
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When Chavez took control of its oil industry and put his cronies in charge production went down, down, down. The whole country depends on oil revenue, and he screwed it up. Maduro was even a more inept leader than Chavez and the economy collapsed. No more complicated than that.
2017 article. Some claim we live in 2024 now.Meanwhile the voting machine software company even admits something is wrong.
Voting machine firm: Venezuela vote rigged "without any doubt"
Lending credence to President Nicolas Maduro's opponents, voting tech company says numbers inflated by at least 1 millionwww.cbsnews.com
Seven countries recognize Gonzalez as winner
www.diariolibre.com
Siete países han reconocido a Edmundo González como presidente electo de Venezuela
Ya son siete los países que avalan al opositor venezolano, en un reconocimiento al que ya se habían sumado Estados Unidos, Perú, Argentina, Panamá y Uruguay.
www.diariolibre.com
I think the only one who might have sway over Maduro is the communist leader in the big country to the South in Brazil (Lula).Seven countries recognize Gonzalez as winner
Siete países han reconocido a Edmundo González como presidente electo de Venezuela
Ya son siete los países que avalan al opositor venezolano, en un reconocimiento al que ya se habían sumado Estados Unidos, Perú, Argentina, Panamá y Uruguay.
Brazil has taken over the embassies for the countries Argentina & Peru.
Who the real winner is will likely never actually be known.
What is known is that Venezuela continues its downward spiral......and that spiral began long before any sanctions by the US.
Venezuela nationalized parts of its oil in 1976 and nationalization increased every decade since then.
But the real culprit to Venezuela's woes today came about not by sanctions but from total incompetence by the Chavez government. When the oil workers went on strike in 2002-2003, Chavez replaced thousands all with loyalists and put in power at PVDSA government hacks who knew nothing about drilling for and producing oil. The results were disastrous to a one trick pony country.
www.forbes.com
That would be akin to the government in the DR taking over tourism and replacing all key people with government loyalists with no tourism experience.........the same result would likely take place in the DR.
Maduro attempted to continue Chavez' policies, but with seriously declining revenues the country has not recovered. Too be sure, the US sanctions imposed in earnest in 2017 have not helped the country as well as the world crude oil price decline in 2014, but the decline of Venezuela started long long before that
There is a reason 25% of the population has left the country since 2015 and those that I have spoken to either cite politics the economy or both.
One thing is abundantly clear however, the same old will get you the same old.....or put another way, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is futile.
Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
What is known is that Venezuela continues its downward spiral......and that spiral began long before any sanctions by the US.
Venezuela nationalized parts of its oil in 1976 and nationalization increased every decade since then.
But the real culprit to Venezuela's woes today came about not by sanctions but from total incompetence by the Chavez government. When the oil workers went on strike in 2002-2003, Chavez replaced thousands all with loyalists and put in power at PVDSA government hacks who knew nothing about drilling for and producing oil. The results were disastrous to a one trick pony country.
How Venezuela Ruined Its Oil Industry
Had former Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez managed the country's oil industry differently, the country might not find itself in its current dire predicament.
www.forbes.com
That would be akin to the government in the DR taking over tourism and replacing all key people with government loyalists with no tourism experience.........the same result would likely take place in the DR.
Maduro attempted to continue Chavez' policies, but with seriously declining revenues the country has not recovered. Too be sure, the US sanctions imposed in earnest in 2017 have not helped the country as well as the world crude oil price decline in 2014, but the decline of Venezuela started long long before that
There is a reason 25% of the population has left the country since 2015 and those that I have spoken to either cite politics the economy or both.
One thing is abundantly clear however, the same old will get you the same old.....or put another way, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is futile.
Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
The playbook is always the same and it's been seen many times in many countries; "democracy" comes, the country is broke because "the dictator" was corrupt and didn't know how to run the economy (even tho all public servants, police, teachers, medics, military... were getting salaries on time), then the new puppet government cuts social services, cuts free healthcare, cuts in education, cuts pensions... (they call it "shock therapy" Google it), then when that is not enough they start selling the government owned factories, electrical grid (they call it "privatization" and "economic system reform")... to raise funds, then when that is not enough they take out loans from IMF, BlackRock... and put natural resources as collateral, then they can't pay the interest on the loans so they borrow more and put even more natural resources as collateral, and the cycle goes on and the country is de facto enslaved. Been there, lived through it.
yea, where did you live through it? Socialism has been a disaster everywhere it is in power.
conspiracy theorist, communist and socialist all rolled into one.
Most emigration from the DR is now chain migration and illegal yola trips are considerably lower now. Also, many people get visas because a family member petition them when they were kids. The process takes quite a few years, so they are granted the visa around the time they are near or graduated high school, maybe college. Once granted they leave. For many of them, they are one of the few of their family still in the DR and most are already in the USA. If getting a visa was entirely up to them, chances are they wouldn’t bother. Many times the lifestyle they had in the DR isn’t quite replicated in the USA.
With Venezuela, one thing that characterized Venezuelans was the fact that they hardly emigrated from Venezuela. That changed for the first time ever once socialism was imposed on them. In fact, there were Dominicans that migrated to Venezuela in the 70z’s and 80’s precisely due to the better economic situation. Now hardly anyone moves to Venezuela, instead the ones migrating are the Venezuelans themselves and they are leaving Venezuela when, as already said, Venezuelans hardly left Venezuela before Chávez/Maduro.
As far as I know those two haven't been arrested but it seems members of their campaign staff have:
Venezuelan authorities arrest campaign staffers of opposition candidate in alleged violent plot
Venezuela’s top prosecutor says arrest warrants have been issued for the manager and eight other staffers of the presidential campaign of opposition powerhouse Maria Corina Machado, accusing them of being part of a violent, anti-government conspiracy Attorney General Tarek William Saab says that Mac
apnews.com
Blinken habla con González Urrutia y Machado y les expresa "preocupación" por su seguridad
La llamada de Blinken llega el mismo día en que el partido de Machado, Vente Venezuela, denunciara un "atraco" a su sede durante la madrugada
www.diariolibre.com
Well, that is certainly not the "playbook" of Venezuela.
After a dictator was exiled circa 1958 and democracy restored, Venezuela went on to become the wealthiest nation in Latin America by 1970. And then in 1976 they began instituting the nationalization of certain facets of their economy.....................and as more and more government control was instituted, the country became less and less prosperous.
Today they are a basket case of their own making......without the IMF or BlackRock.......they did it all on their own......and nothing will likely change until the present government is replaced.
Respectfully,
Playacaribe2