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1,000 prostitutes spook Sosua?s tourism
It boils down to geography. What part of the world you were lucky enough to be born in, and into what tribe were you lucky enough to be born into. If you were born in Haiti to impoverished, illiterate parents, you would be vastly different then if your born in Norway or Liechtenstein.
Many here were lucky enough to be born in a Western Industrialized country. Most people on this board have traveled extensively, had good paying jobs, and receive some kind of monthly income right now. Few, if any here, were born into deep seated poverty with illiterate parents.
It's easy to sit back and say...if i were in that girls or guys shoes, i would be vastly different. you're speaking from experience, with a voice that knows the difference between right and wrong, with a life full of choices and options. Any of you can go to the airport tomorrow and leave the island. 99% of Dominicans have never left this island, cannot get a US Visa to leave this island, and have few choices and options to get off this island.
Of course, there are exceptions. there always are. But every time i see some man digging a ditch in 90 degree weather, or hammering at some piece of concrete for 10 hours a day, i think to myself, there but for the grace of someone go i.
My father was lucky enough to leave the DR in 1959, get a job, a green card, and start a family. But his aunts, uncles, and cousins were not so lucky and did not get a chance to leave the DR, or had already started families and could not leave. Anyway, a lot in life has to do with luck--being in the right place at the right time; and with Geography--being born in the right country or province; and with being born into the right Tribe.
For 90% of the rest of the world who are slaving away and living on $2 a day, they were not so lucky.
Instead of just seeing everyone as doomed to their plight in life, i say this: give everyone the same opportunity that you got and see what they can do with it. If they screw it up, you've done what you could. However, if they they seize that opportunity and do as good or better then yourself, well then, you've given someone a new lease on life. What better way to contribute to this world.
Frank
Many here were lucky enough to be born in a Western Industrialized country. Most people on this board have traveled extensively, had good paying jobs, and receive some kind of monthly income right now. Few, if any here, were born into deep seated poverty with illiterate parents.
It's easy to sit back and say...if i were in that girls or guys shoes, i would be vastly different. you're speaking from experience, with a voice that knows the difference between right and wrong, with a life full of choices and options. Any of you can go to the airport tomorrow and leave the island. 99% of Dominicans have never left this island, cannot get a US Visa to leave this island, and have few choices and options to get off this island.
Of course, there are exceptions. there always are. But every time i see some man digging a ditch in 90 degree weather, or hammering at some piece of concrete for 10 hours a day, i think to myself, there but for the grace of someone go i.
My father was lucky enough to leave the DR in 1959, get a job, a green card, and start a family. But his aunts, uncles, and cousins were not so lucky and did not get a chance to leave the DR, or had already started families and could not leave. Anyway, a lot in life has to do with luck--being in the right place at the right time; and with Geography--being born in the right country or province; and with being born into the right Tribe.
For 90% of the rest of the world who are slaving away and living on $2 a day, they were not so lucky.
Instead of just seeing everyone as doomed to their plight in life, i say this: give everyone the same opportunity that you got and see what they can do with it. If they screw it up, you've done what you could. However, if they they seize that opportunity and do as good or better then yourself, well then, you've given someone a new lease on life. What better way to contribute to this world.
Frank
there was an article in yesterday's diario libre on changing lives of putas and helping them out of the trade:
De trabajadoras sexuales a microempresarias - DiarioLibre.com
De trabajadoras sexuales a microempresarias - DiarioLibre.com
Dominicans are treated like criminals by Europe, Canada and the USA.
Even when married to a foreigner who puts up financial guarantees neither of them with a criminal record,
Spouses often are not granted a visitors visa. Hence spouses are forcibly separated by supposed western "democracies".The same practice used by the Communists in east Germany and Korea separating families.
It is just assumed that poor uneducated Dominicans will engage in illegal behaviour and not return to their Home country.
Dominicans are made prisoners of their island even with passports.
If there were education and employment opportunities, many of the women would not prostitute themselves.
The critical posters should count their blessings and stop despising Dominicans.
If you have so little love for the people and the country what are you doing here?
exactly what pollogringo said, in more words. the absolute reality of the human condition. when i am awakened in the morning by the voice of some Haitian woman yelling "aguate, guineo", i cannot wrap my head around it. she works as hard as i ever have. she will take home a few pesos profit, and repeat the same deed tomorrow. 20 years from now, even if she is spectacularly frugal, she will probably only to be able to afford a nicer basket. how can i conceptualize her existence, when, by some providence of sheer dumb luck, i was born the son of an Ivy League graduate surgeon?would i have been the same had i been born in a shed in Dajabon to the avocado seller?
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Nope! It's just "easy money" they can make without being "ingrained" for the job.
If that was the case, there wouldn't be prostitution in Japan and believe you me, there's more going on in Japan than in the DR when it comes down to forms of prostitution, underage, etc...
Prostitution has more to do with sexual freedoms and what is deemed ok by cultures. In the DR it's OK to have a wife and kids, whilst having a few ladies on the side. It takes away the pressure from the lady of the house who has to put up with the kids, the home and sometimes their own career, let alone tend to the husband's sexual needs on call.
In Japan was the same since older times when men sought the services of a Geisha. Then came the parlors, hot baths, etc... Its still acceptable today just as before.
In places like the USA is more about hypocrisy than what not. Prostitution permeates the USA from the top of government to the plain worker. Worst than in the DR.
they are gone somewhere else. they did not atomize, not evaporate. neither are they all working for IBM.
There is a reason for the way Dominicans are treated this way by other countries and so frequently denied visas. It is because of the track record of Dominicans who visited other countries and overstay their visas. I am married to a Dominican and I know very well about the real reasons.
windeguy, there is another reason. the Department of Homeland Security is perturbed by the amount of false information that has been discovered in Dominican visa applications. not unlike the consternation MLB has experienced regarding Dominican birth certificates and player information.
I don't disagree on your point. The earlier Dominican visitors/illegal immigrants have ruined it for the rest.
Both are absolutely spot-on... graft is a way of living here for a large part of the population. It's all about tigerare vs an honest day's work... short- vs long-term.
we have flogged this horse to death, but it can still take some more licks. Dominican mindset is one of immediate gratification and expediency. there is no long term vision, and ability to forecast possible problematic issues. when a Dominican sells a gringo an article for 100 pesos, which usually sells for 50, his mind does not wrap around the idea that he might have lost a permanent customer, in the event that the victim should discover the treachery. all he knows is that he scored a temporary victory. it applies to every thing people do here. you give them something to repair, they do a half assed job, knowing they will collect when they return it. the thinking does not extend to the point that there is a chance they could lose customer base. in the book by Matilda, it tells of the kids simply hiding dishes and pots if they were too hard to wash. they cannot see into the future sufficiently to conceptualize that one day there will be nothing left to prepare the food, or with which to eat it. all they know is that they have solved the washing problem; in their minds.
Recently, while playing dominoes on the beach, a vendor offered me two different packs of cigarillos, one for 400 and the other for 350. He told me he'd cut me a break if I bought both. That's right. I could have them both at the deeply discounted rate of 800.