Why aren't the girls challenging in court for being picked up for prostitution when it's legal???? same simple reason as the business owners aren't challenging because no lawyer with a brain will represent them unless they want a bullet in their head. Bringing the government to court is a lose-lose scenario.
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A lot of businesses closed in Sosua
Why aren't the girls challenging in court for being picked up for prostitution when it's legal???? same simple reason as the business owners aren't challenging because no lawyer with a brain will represent them unless they want a bullet in their head. Bringing the government to court is a lose-lose scenario.
For a resort like Hotel La Esplanada to be a successful, it must have several things going for it.
Sunny Winter weather.
-The North Coast is very Hurricane free.
A nice Beach, Ocean View
-never gon'na happen
-without a Beach... Families ain't comin' (unless there ultra-budget minded)
Things to do.
-AI provides drinks, food, pool (and a BEACH)
-non-AI need Restaurants and Bars near by
Come to think of it.... Monger Hotels don't have a Beach
And there are of those Derelict bars near by.....
Sunny Winter weather.
-The North Coast is very Hurricane free.
A nice Beach, Ocean View
-never gon'na happen
-without a Beach... Families ain't comin' (unless there ultra-budget minded)
Things to do.
-AI provides drinks, food, pool (and a BEACH)
-non-AI need Restaurants and Bars near by
Come to think of it.... Monger Hotels don't have a Beach
And there are of those Derelict bars near by.....
I myself and perhaps some of you also keep forgetting our place, we are merely guests in the DR ( even if you OWN a Business) . And the DR Govt can just make up laws as they please and pull some others out of their
you know where, when it suits their Agenda. usually an Agenda which has just greased the right wheels..
Bobby from Rumba sure learned that one, as did others . Where else in the 3rd word has anyone seen a BAR owner, literally run out of town, for committing NO crime.
So our sincere apologies for assuming the Dom "Republic" is a nation of actual Laws..
you know where, when it suits their Agenda. usually an Agenda which has just greased the right wheels..
Bobby from Rumba sure learned that one, as did others . Where else in the 3rd word has anyone seen a BAR owner, literally run out of town, for committing NO crime.
So our sincere apologies for assuming the Dom "Republic" is a nation of actual Laws..
A group of "serious investors" ? So is the guy who opens a small restaurant and rum & beer bar on the beach, or buys a small glass bottom boat and walks the beach looking to provide something exciting is not serious ? In fact he's probably more serious because it's his/her only shot and represents not only their life savings but a place he works and and desperately needs to make it work
Just because the investment isn't in millions of pesos or dollars, and the little guy can't afford to grease the wheels of the slime balls of the Sosua Syndicate or pay for kickbacks in Santo Domingo or keep an abogado on retainer doesn't mean they don't matter.
But sure if you want to ruin the small town flavor that made Sosua and bring in a bunch of boring wide-butt elites to control the town, it will become so boring that the tourists will be gone forever. And the new Condo owners won't even come because the town will be the retirement home for corrupt politicians.
I think that most tourists when they land in Hong Kong or Mexico City or Bridge Out Tennessee rent a car and have it waiting for them when they exit the airport.
Der Fish
I'm just a tourist, but I've seen some family tourist towns. It's just my opinion that there are many things that would have to happen to make Sosua one. I'm indifferent to the chicas. Get rid of them overnight if possible. Here are just my thoughts.
Improved hotels. Most Sosua hotels have mongers in them because they aren't up to American family standards
Cestur that speaks English or other languages and actually helps tourist instead of just walking like they're going to the OK corral
Information booths or better signage around town
Organized transportation that doesn't rip you off or risk your life. Maybe like a marked local bus system. Designated can and moto areas would help
Wider sidewalks and/or pedestrian area for shopping
The old and young beggars and vendors that turn into beggars when you don't buy really gotta go. Especially the young ones that like to mumble bad words when you say no
Less aggressive beach vendors. Most annoying Sosua beach vendor could probably be a topic on its own
Street lighting is pretty bad in spots
Pickpockets, and no, they aren't all hookers, need to be addressed. I knew a cop from family tourist town and their solution to undesirables in the tourist area was that they would arrest them, drive them 30-40 miles out of town, slap them around and leave them there.
That's just some things off the top of my head.
As for Sosua beach, if it turns into Condos, then Sosua will never see me again. I know I'm just one tourist, but I like the lawless disorganized chaos. It feels like a foreign experience. I don't want complaining families around who throw a tantrum when the electricity goes out or they don't get an extra towel. Yes, I have seen both.
If I wanted to go to a place with a perfectly manicured pedestrian area that had American dollar dispensing ATMs, then I'd go to Playa Del Carmen. It's just one man's opinion, but I want to feel like I'm in a foreign place even if it is the touristy little town that's just a notch more genuine than the big AI.
Not sur Derf.
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Mexico City is a tough one... hard driving.
Paris is a real beauty, -- really difficult roads/streets.
Some streets are one way in the morning and the other way at night.....
I don't think all that many tourists jump into a rental ---- Calif, maybe.
Bridge Out Tenn... can't say
How many LGA arrivals got straight to rental desk ?? or JFK??
He is just looking for an argument..
My simple point was , should Guests have to rent a car to get to the beach , from their Hotel ?
Come on, Every All Inclusive KNOWS this Simple Formula, you MUST be on the beach.
But in either case you can not get top $$ for a Hotel which is not a comfortable walking distance to the Beach.
Its not even in any realm of possibility. Even the Ocean View Hotels are Struggling .
SO i dont know what "serious investors" he is talking about , but i wish them well.
I would have Zero interest in staying in such a Hotel, unless the rates are really really good.
This is just more Fantasy stuff.. its getting silly already.
Excellent Points , and Post... AND totally unbiased..
so there it is.... would not change a word..
They are good points - and post.
but much of that applies to the whole country and most tourist areas....
not limited to Sosua.
Yes, RD's reputation is one of 'value' - rhymes with 'affordable' - actually means 'cheap'
this is like dressing a pig for a wedding... hard to do and never gets a good result.
Nobody wants the pig at the wedding anyway !! I guess.
Every place needs variety... a smorgasbord, so to speak.... appeals to more customers.
just my ramblings.... to add to the others
but much of that applies to the whole country and most tourist areas....
not limited to Sosua.
Yes, RD's reputation is one of 'value' - rhymes with 'affordable' - actually means 'cheap'
this is like dressing a pig for a wedding... hard to do and never gets a good result.
Nobody wants the pig at the wedding anyway !! I guess.
Every place needs variety... a smorgasbord, so to speak.... appeals to more customers.
just my ramblings.... to add to the others
A hotel shuttle would not suffice?
When I first came to the DR in 1986 (or was it '87?) and stayed at the former El Mirador (RIP), the resort had a half-hourly shuttle van to and from the beach which worked well.
Ever been to Hard Rock in Punta Cana? The beach is so far away from many rooms a shuttle is necessary.
Yes.
How could I possibly know that, every investment and every individual situation is different. Introduce me to "the guy", let me get to know him and his business plan and maybe I can give you an intelligent answer.
Perhaps, but again, every investment and every individual situation is different. I'm not qualifying the seriousness of the investors in this specific project based on the amount of money that they are investing. I'm qualifying it on getting to know them and learning a little about their marketing and business model. Down here in the Dominican Republic I've seen "investors" who had plans for multi-million dollar projects that I wouldn't categorize as "serious", actually some were total morons.
I couldn't agree more.
I'm not sure who you think wants "to ruin the small town flavor that made Sos?a", it certainly isn't this group of investors. They simply chose this location because it fits their business model. They looked at many other properties here, Sos?a has no shortage of available properties, and the Esplanada property offered the best value for them.
I don't think any of us know,or are not telling,but somebody sure does,and if that's not obvious then a white stick should be prescribed..
It would be good if it did well. It will help a dark, quite area pick up again. The original hotel failed, they need something more than just opening a hotel in the far reaches of Sosua.
They simply like this location because of the beach. Moving all the colorful vendors out to build a few hundred condos will ruin the beach.
Check out all the online photos posted of Sosua - most are of the beach and the beach businesses selling towels, and paintings and libations.
Perhaps you are a realtor with an interest to promote the project - but it sure is not going to be the Sosua Beach which we all shared.
Since you seem to know these 'serious investors' please do share who they are: Names would be most welcome.
There are people posting here that are part of the group pushing the change in Sosua. There are people posting here that have a financial interest in Sosua changing.
There are about about 80,000 to 90,000 people living in the Sosua area which consist of El Batey, Charamicos, Sosua Abajo and other locales. The vast majority of these people are Dominicans and they do not have business interests in the several block area of Pedro Clisante that has been attracting the type of tourists a plane load or three at a time, and the subject of the vast majority of this thread, that the DR people do not want to attract.
YOU tell ME if that makes Sosua a real tourist town.
And as someone reading the posts on a thread which started because of the run down of Sosua, it amazes me at the indignation to the news from a poster about a new enterprise which is probably providing now and will provide more real jobs than any that have been lost.
Get your eggs in a row. You want development and jobs.......... but only your type it appears........which the bulk of people don't if I am reading correctly.
Nope, I like to see Sosua reinvent itself but it appears to me that it is being bought....not developed.