Along the same line as Mr. Lu's post - another privilige lost!

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NALs

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That is impressive work, Nals. But unfortunately not all beaches are equal.

Google earth cannot swim.

The north coast beaches from Monti Christi to Luperon or so may be nice sand but the water stays about calf deep for what seem to be miles... except at El Moro which has a wicked undertow and crashing waves. Monte Christi is more like a salt flat--- there is a lovely beach at Pepe Salcido but it is shallow.

And the beaches of the south west - except for Cabo Rojo and Bahia- are rocky. Not really "beaches" as we use the term but merely coastline. One of the most popular "Dominican" beaches for Capitalenos is Najayo which does not have great swimming.. in that it is shallow, not reef protected, and has only a very small swimming area.

So while your study may be accurate on paper, it has little basis in reality.

Every beach is different. There are a few really great beaches in Las Terrenas and when you move over to El Limon for some reason the beach is infested with sand flies and the water very shallow.

Rest assured that the BEST Beaches...the ones with the smooth sand and the good swimming... are few and far between. Perhaps all of the east coast has them...I don't know that area. But I am pretty confident that all those beaches are in some sort of private hands by now.

But from the Capital... with 3 million people, the only really good beach accessible in a day is Guyacanas --- perhaps Juan Dolio in parts. Boca Chica is polluted and Andreas is too shallow to swim.

so by your very own stats.. most of the beaches for most of the population are already in private hands....

You need to come down here and do your research in person, hermano.

Is that really ok with you? If now the owners are given permission to drive any locals off their beachfront?
What makes you think I'm not aware of the different types of beaches in the DR?

You must've known that Juan Dolio beach had so much erosion that the coral rocks were visible, in many cases causing bathers/swimmers to cut their feet as they walked into the water. A couple of years ago the government "refurbished" the beach with fresh new white sand, to the degree that the problem is no more.

Long Beach in Puerto Plata, right next to the Malec?n, was so eroded and polluted it was hardly anything to write home about. Plus, the color of the sand didn't help. This beach along with Playa Dorada received not just much more sand, but white sand; changing the character of the old beach into one of soft white sand with a sea as blue as the one in Punta Cana. And Long Beach in Puerto Plata was improved for the residents of Puerto Plata, since on the entire stretch there is only one resort at the most eastern section of the malec?n.

Despite that, Sos?a continues to be the most beautiful beach on the northcoast, and is the most popular with Dominicans on weekend. With the hotels being off the beach, it will remain public.

Back in the day when no one wanted to visit Bavaro Beach because no one knew existed used to be a spit of sand sandwiched between the jungle on one side and the sea on the other. The resorts improved the beach by importing very soft white sand and dumping plenty of it in the sea to create the saphire blue colors, plus expanded the beach inland by adding even more sand in that direction. In fact, that is why Bavaro Beach narrows considerably as you walk south of the Barcelo B?varo Beach Resort complex.

The same thing occurred in Bayahibe.

And alas, Boca Chica. The most famous and most visited beach by Dominicans on the entire island and its just perfect. Shallow water allows Dominicans to just stand in the water and drink/eat/etc. or for the entire family to simply sit along the shore with the kids frolicking in the extremely calm waters. Boca Chica lends itself to the Dominican reason for visiting the beach, which for the most part has nothing to do with swimming or sunbathing and everything to do with drinking, eating, and partying.

You say Najayo is not that great of a beach, but its packed with Dominicans. It lends itself to Dominican visits to the beach.

Playa San Rafael in Barahona is a popular beach among Dominicans when in the vicinity.

Plenty of great beaches south and north of Nagua, albeit the waves there can be a little rough from time to time. But, they are still great unspoiled beaches, especially Playa Diamante.

Do you get the point?

Dominican beach culture is not quite compatible with European/American beach culture. The former are into drinking alcohol, eating until they are full, listening to music and creating a party; all while the kids frolic in the relatively calm waters and/or the adults go to jump in the not so calm waters or just stand there, and then rush back to the shade. The latter are into actually swimming, scuba diving, snorkeling, or just relaxing in a lounge chair without a noise to disrupt their peacefulness.

And the killer in this argument is that a significant proportion of Dominicans (perhaps most) don't really like the beach because often enough the water is "too warm to cool off", plus its a hassle with the salt. That is why they head to the rivers in even greater droves, where icy cold fresh water awaits.

Isn't funny how one of the things many European and North American tourists like the most about tropical beaches is the warm temperatures of the water! They are so impressed by that detail that many Dominicans dislike about the beach.

Completely different cultures requires completely different beach environments, and sometimes the beach is not even needed.

Alas, the tail can't wag the dog afterall. :rolleyes:

You should first figure out what a person actually knows prior to making a statement based on an unfounded assumption. Otherwise, you will be making a fool of yourself.
 

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Well, first I went to the CIA web page to get the exact length of the Dominican coast (1,288 km).


Its common knowledge that the DR has around 400 kilometers of beaches, thus the 23% estimate.

1,288km equals approx 786 miles and 400km equals approx 248 miles, but according to the DR Ministry of Tourism there are over 1,000 miles!!!! of beaches. Now NALs if you had gone to the official ministry's page your calculations would have been easier and less time consuming.;):cheeky:

more than 1,000 miles of sugar-colored sand

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Mountainannie, just remember what I stated in one of my previous posts. The beaches that are today best known for their quality and beauty used to be as bad as all those you say are not swimmable. NALs did the right thing. The beaches good or bad in their actual state now are beachfronts. But sometime in their life they had to be developed. But they were not developed by investors to destine them for public use.
Or didn't you know that the deep, bad, Caribbean oceanfront at the Malecon was going to be turned into an island beach? What if they did? Should Dominicans have free access to their beaches? Hell no! What would they have invested? Any waterfront with the proper investment can be turned into a marvelous beach. All beaches are not pristine. It takes money.
Lots of money had to be invested to turn Guayacanes into a better public beach. Boca Chica with all its flaws looks better than years past because of investment.
Years ago there wasn't a hotel in sight between Juan Dolio and La Romana. But Dominicans did not go to those beaches there. Except for a few locals and fishermen, you could have entire beaches to yourself. But nobody cared. Now, because someone turned them into paradises, now we want them back. Tough luck.
 
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Back in the day when no one wanted to visit Bavaro Beach because no one knew existed used to be a spit of sand sandwiched between the jungle on one side and the sea on the other.

Yeah, I love DR1, too. But it's amazing how some Dominicans have gotten their DR education via DR1 only: "no one knew existed..." How goloesque of you! That and Wiki can get you a following around here.

Next...
 

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1,288km equals approx 786 miles and 400km equals approx 248 miles, but according to the DR Ministry of Tourism there are over 1,000 miles!!!! of beaches. Now NALs if you had gone to the official ministry's page your calculations would have been easier and less time consuming.;):cheeky:

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Either that is a mistake or its a careless marketing campaign, or both.

The coastline of the Dominican Republic, 1,288 km (800 mi) in length, is irregular and indented by many bays forming natural harbors, notably Ocoa Bay in the south and the Saman? Bay in the northeast. A number of adjacent islands, among them Beata and Saona, are possessions of the Dominican Republic.
Encarta Encyclopedia

The coastline is 1,288 km long, and its only land boundary is with Haiti (278 km).

American Society for Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing

Dominican Republic 1,288 km
CIA - The World Factbook

So on and so forth.
 

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Long Beach in Puerto Plata, right next to the Malec?n .................... since on the entire stretch there is only one resort at the most eastern section of the malec?n.

That resort closed a couple of years back, it is mostly residential now. And psssst, NALs, they didn't tell you about the sewers at Long Beach...........?? Course if you live here, no-one has to tell you, you receive olfactory messages.........:cheeky:

CIA World Factbook (factbook?????) might not be one's best source.

'Country name:
conventional long form: Dominican Republic
conventional short form: The Dominican
local long form: Republica Dominicana
local short form: La Dominicana '
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/dr.html
scroll down to Government.

See, it's them. That's why we get all these people calling it The Dominican..........:laugh: La Dominicana mi nalga......................
 

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Sugar colored sand?

1,288km equals approx 786 miles and 400km equals approx 248 miles, but according to the DR Ministry of Tourism there are over 1,000 miles!!!! of beaches. Now NALs if you had gone to the official ministry's page your calculations would have been easier and less time consuming.;):cheeky:



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Well you are going to need those extra 200 miles of beach to sell two or three times... and of course, sugar comes in a lot of colors here.. crema, white and evidently in the form of hard rock crystals.

Lets not forget the mangroves

Mangrove colored sand.

BARGIN.,, BARGIN,,, sell the patrimony!! PRIVATE BEACH PARTY!!

C'MON DOWN!!
 

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Oh darn, I was only following your previous steps in trusting Dominican governmental figures. I guess I've learn the hard way.:cry:
The figure you quoted are not official figures, just part of a marketing campaign! Why don't you do to the actual ministry of tourism website, you know the official one rather than one geared to tourists and selling a brand? :tired:
 

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Lambada said:
That resort closed a couple of years back, it is mostly residential now. And psssst, NALs, they didn't tell you about the sewers at Long Beach...........?? Course if you live here, no-one has to tell you, you receive olfactory messages.........:cheeky:
I've seen it on the times I've visited by uncle and cousins who lives in Puerto Plata. Oooh, didn't know that detail, did ya? :surprised

I've also seen a sewer like pipe near the Playa Dorada area and the power plant that occassionally its fumes the wind takes to wonderful Costambar.

So what exactly is your point?

CIA World Factbook (factbook?????) might not be one's best source.

'Country name:
conventional long form: Dominican Republic
conventional short form: The Dominican
local long form: Republica Dominicana
local short form: La Dominicana '
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/dr.html
scroll down to Government.

See, it's them. That's why we get all these people calling it The Dominican..........:laugh: La Dominicana mi nalga......................
Actually, Dominicana is a very common short name for the DR among Dominicans!

But, by the logic on DR1, I guess since you are not Dominican, you will not know about that. :cheeky:

My my...
 

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I've seen it on the times I've visited by uncle and cousins who lives in Puerto Plata. Oooh, didn't know that detail, did ya? :surprised

I've also seen a sewer like pipe near the Playa Dorada area and the power plant that occassionally its fumes the wind takes to wonderful Costambar.

So what exactly is your point?


Actually, Dominicana is a very common short name for the DR among Dominicans!

But, by the logic on DR1, I guess since you are not Dominican, you will not know about that. :cheeky:

My my...

NALS... stop your snipping at those of us who live here. We are trying to help keep you informed and posted on what is going on. Lambada is one of the very best resources that we have. She has chosen this country. She is completely integrated into the community. She is to be applauded. IF all the expats here behaved as respectfully as she does... this place would be the premier retirement destination in the entire Caribbean.

I do not know you or how old you are or anything else about you. I do know that you live in Connecticut.
Perhaps you are just malcreada and there is no point in talking with you,

But please understand that there are some of us who live here who are actually trying to help... help keep the place free of drug dealers, child pornographers, and lots of other sort of trash.

I would think that you would at least have the courtesy to not be so snippity with us......
 

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I would think that you would at least have the courtesy to not be so snippity with us......

Let him snip, probably doesn't like the evidence that CIA calls us The Dominican. Obviously has no recollection of this either:
'Es una situaci?n que se ha evidenciado con las inundaciones ocurridas recientemente en esta provincia, cuando se puso de manifiesto la vulnerabilidad de algunas zonas, y a la que se atribuye el problema del deslizamiento de la arena.' The piece is called 'Arena de Long Beach se desliza hacia el mar' but it is also about flooding and sewers:
http://www.provinciasdominicanas.org/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=8856

Probably doesn't recall this either - I did a description at post 10 and Robert kindly posted my photos later in the thread.
http://www.dr1.com/forums/living/52741-long-beach-puerto-plata.html

That was 3 years 2 months ago. Still nothing built where homes were flattened btw.
 

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Lambada said:
Let him snip, probably doesn't like the evidence that CIA calls us The Dominican. Obviously has no recollection of this either:
'Es una situaci?n que se ha evidenciado con las inundaciones ocurridas recientemente en esta provincia, cuando se puso de manifiesto la vulnerabilidad de algunas zonas, y a la que se atribuye el problema del deslizamiento de la arena.' The piece is called 'Arena de Long Beach se desliza hacia el mar' but it is also about flooding and sewers:
http://www.provinciasdominicanas.org/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=8856
Hmm, one does need to wonder why the beaches needed more sand in the first place? :rolleyes:

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Probably doesn't recall this either - I did a description at post 10 and Robert kindly posted my photos later in the thread.
http://www.dr1.com/forums/living/52741-long-beach-puerto-plata.html

That was 3 years 2 months ago. Still nothing built where homes were flattened btw.
And what does that has to do with the subject of this thread? Isn't this thread about the suppose privatization of the beaches? :confused:
 

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I do not know you or how old you are or anything else about you.
Exactly, and that is one boat that includes most people on DR1. For that reason alone, ad hominems should be avoided.

In simple words, this is not about me, its about a particular stance in an argument. No need for ad hominems. Too many people on DR1 have a hard time getting their heads around that concept.
 

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Hmm, one does need to wonder why the beaches needed more sand in the first place? :rolleyes:

Maybe something to do with the sewer problem :rolleyes: in that particular area?

And then there is BobK's theory:

http://www.dr1.com/forums/living/61232-puerto-plata-malecon-long-beach.html

And what does that has to do with the subject of this thread? Isn't this thread about the suppose privatization of the beaches?

Yes, exactly, that is why those Long Beach properties were flattened - to make way for private construction which would come because the beach had been beautified. Did the uncle and cousins who live here not share that detail?

See what was written back in 2006 (& compare with what has been achieved by 2009??)
Puerto Plata gunning for the tourist dollar - thestar.com

Dominican Republic Invests in its Future
 

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Thanks all for posting. This thread is going to sleep now.
 
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