Are Dominicans "Latino" or "Hispanic"?

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Tony C

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Another post with a link to the NY Times.....Jeez. Sorry but I am not interested in giving any of my personal Info to them. ANyway who believes the NY Times anymore?

"What are we arguing as long as we all are still spanish speaking (read not from spain) we are all still hispanic latino Right?"

No we are not! I am NOT HISPANIC!!!!!!!! Read this tread will ya?
 

gemenilaidback

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sorry tony c

Ahh hope I didn't get you hot under the collar.......... so whould I call you latino or just white or whatever is sociably prefered or advantageous?
read that thread will ya hahaha
 

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A POLL WOULD BE NICE!!! *HINT-HINT* That way readers wouldn't have to go through 7 pages and could just look at the poll results and move on with their life.
 

Tony C

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Re: sorry tony c

gemenilaidback said:
Ahh hope I didn't get you hot under the collar.......... so whould I call you latino or just white or whatever is sociably prefered or advantageous?
read that thread will ya hahaha

You can address me as Sir or Doctor.

I prefer AMERICAN. After all I was born here.

If I have to be classified I guess Latin would be correct. That causes confusion because others who are not Latin use that term as well. Many Blacks and Indians call themselves Latin also just because they come from a Spanish speaking country. Language is not a determining factor of ethnicity.

If you want to be technical I am a Cuban, Spanish, Gaelic, Portuguese, Moorish(Maybe), Italian, American.
 

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"Welcome Tordok!! Keep it coming!!!!!!!!

I for one like your non-"Chip-On-shoulder,no axe to grind,no hidden agenda,straight forward style"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When Miss DR,became Miss Universe,many,me included,said she was very beautiful,but didn't "LOOK" Dominican!! Well,I have "Re-"THUNK",my position!!
That is like saying that "Miss America" didn't LOOK American!

(She is Puerto Rican,Dominican,whatever "MIXES" that might include!!)


The Dominican Republic,similar to the US,is a "Melting Pot"! Both countries are made up of "mostly" immigrants.(For you "PC" liberals,"OK,a few "Native Peoples",actually immigrants from Asia!)

Therefore there is no one Dominican,or "American" LOOK!

Thank God for Racial Mixing.Without it we all might look "English"!!!

Where are their "Lips"?? (Except for "MICK" that is!)

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being nit picky

Yes I would say that DR is more of a "Melting Pot" merging of flavors into one,

What the US would fall under is a "Salad Bowl". US is finding it difficult to murge the masses into one flavor. They have to enjoy the individual flavors with a little Salad Dressing (money) poured on top to make everyone happy.

hehehhehe:cool:
 

Criss Colon

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Your "Chip" is showing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely anyone can have a really good life in the US! No matter your "color",sex,National origin,religion,age,education,even YOU!

You just have to WORK HARD!!!

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Now,lets make this about the DR,and not the USA.I will have to "Delete" myself,and that would be so sad!:cool:
 
I agree, but most of our basis from our opinions is from where most of the posters came from and thats the US, Canada or Europe, so there will always be the comparison of how things should or should not be done in DR.

Nothing wrong with that.
 

Tordok

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thank you cris c, i'm genuinely interested in learning from the opinions and facts that all of you bring to these boards. my own opinions tend to the obtuse, but hey i see that this might not be a disqualifier around here. i'll be around from time to time, i'm sure. must say that i'm equally impressed with the expats' knowledge of the DR, and the level of diversity within the group of dominican 'posters'. refreshing in a unexpected kind of way.

'to boldly go where no one has gone before' may be a bit grandiose and nerdy but that's what you guys are doing and it works! congrats!

-tordok
 

pasha

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Some truth in.....

sancochojoe said:
..............Nothing wrong with that.
what you say, but with all due respect the DR is not a totally unique, one-off country. A couple of posters seem to think that it is and that there's little worth discussing or learning outside the DR context. Having said that I fully acknowledge that the focus of the board is the DR, and that discussion should principally focus on DR issues.

Fact is, there are many, many countries not even in the Caribbean or Latin America, that bear more than passing resemblance [positives and negatives] to the DR. Even topical events like earthquakes or hurricanes happen about everywhere and there are good lessons to be learned from many places/ cultures. Too bad a few folks have such limited scope.

Best, P
 

Criss Colon

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Your point is well taken!..That is why we "Moderate" these Forums!

Having had many years posting on DR1,I have seen that without "someone" guiding the "Thread" it soon becomes a "Fre-For-All",and looses it's Dominican Focus!(Beter yet,"ALL FOCUS")

There are many posts that include "Non-Dominican" topics,when they add to the Dominican theme.

What this site is not, is a Forum where people come to discuss World Governments,both pro,and con,or a place to advocate personal political agendas.

I think we do a pretty good service.Never forget that there are thousands of "Members" who only "Read",and never "Post"! They want to see Dominican Content here.We aim to please!!

MOST of the Moderators are human beings!So our personal views,prides,and yes, prejudices will influence our personal "Styles".That is why the moderators have been selected to represent "Diverse view points!

Moderator..."CC"
 

pasha

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Criss, you're much too....

Criss Colon said:
I think we do a pretty good service.

MOST of the Moderators are human beings!So our personal views,prides,and yes, prejudices will influence our personal "Styles".That is why the moderators have been selected to represent "Diverse view points! Moderator..."CC"
modest....the site goes well beyond "good" as you already know. I'm not so sure I agree that Moderators are human beings. Only joking.....but seriously, if I appreciate a particular remark by a poster, or think that I've got a reasonable point to make I hope that it's allowable to a reasonable degree to respond. I'm in a steep learning curve also and there's nothing like this site for gritty info....

In future I'll do my best to subdue the Spring Butt part of my psyche. Thanks and

Best, P
 

pasha

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Re: "Spring Butt"?...Do I have to "Move" this post to "Mars/Venus"???

Criss Colon said:
Say what you like,Thats why we have the "Delete Button!!;) CC
OK - last response, then back to real thread. Do what you have to do Gridley. If it's to the Venus side I'm confortable with my inner self.

Best, P
 

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Tony,
You are very ignorant. Most Mexicans are of mixed race. This includes Spanish, Indian, French, Lebanese, Jewish, and African genes. There is a tendency for people in the US that have never been to Mexico, to think that Mexicans in Mexico are of the exact same race as Mexicans living in the US. That is a very ignorant perception. 99% of all mexicans in the US belong to the poorer areas and social classes in Mexico. That's why they went to the US in first place. They are predominantly indian. However, go to any middle class (upper or lower) neighborhood in any Mexican city and you will find such a wide variety of traits ranging from very dark haired to Swedish blonde, from black arab eyes and brown eyes to blue and green, etc. I really find it funny when people say all mexicans are indian. I go take a look at the mirror and see myself more looking like an Italian or Anglo than an indian. In the US, I am usually mistaken for European. However, I am 100% Mexican of Spanish, Indian and French ancestry. I see many people with similar traits to mine in the city where I am from. Needless to say, nobody has ever mistaken me for an Anglo in my city. In the US, even the anglos think I'm one of their own. They refuse to believe I'm mexican and it is indeed very funny. *By the way, "ese" is a Mexican American expression that gang members use in the US. If you use that expression in Mexico you will be considered vulgar since Mexicans in Mexico pay special attention to using the correct way of speaking. Just listen to any Mexican radio station in Mexico and compare it with the trash you hear on Spanish Language radio stations in the US.


Tony C said:
I hate the term Hispanic! What the hell does that mean?
Hispanic was a term forced on us by the Liberal left to bolster their power. "Group everybody together with the Mexicans that way we can say that Latinos are Democrats".

I have asked before in this fourm. What do I have in Common with The Majority of Mexicans? Salavdoran? Bolivians?

Race? I am Latin they are Indians.
Politics? GOP Here. Most mexicans are Gov. tit sucking liberals.
Music? I hate that polka based crap.
Food? Please?
Language? Barely. What the hell does "ese" really mean anyway?

Latino? For me Latino means of latin ancestry. Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Greece, Albania and Romania.
The Dominican Population is made up of various races but the majority are Black! Deal with it!

In the US they like to place everybody in one big package. I refuse to be. Call me politically incorrect. Call me racist. I don't care.
 
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NALs

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Most people on this thread are a bunch of ignorants!

Assuming that Dominicans are black is wrong.

Sure, it may appear to be that way, but apperances can and are deceiving.

Dominicans for the most part are mixed. End of story.

Whether you want to believe that or not, that is not important because a quick DNA testing on a representative sample of the DR population would certainly reveal that!

Keep in mind, the average age today in the DR is 21. That means that most of the Dominicans roaming today came out of relationships and wedlock not so long ago. The further back in time you go, the more fixed the races become with pure whites and pure blacks. As more into the present we come, the more MIXED it gets.

There is a distinct physical difference between Dominicans from the Eastern part of the country and those from the Cibao. Its also no coincidence that in the eastern part of the island blacks outnumbered whites in the vast ranches and that in the Cibao is where the highest concentration of whites and Indians were on the island, but blacks being relatively in small numbers compared to the other two. As such, it makes perfect sense why Cibae?os are lighter skin color (fromt their mixed black and white ancestor), they have high cheek bones and many are born with "Asian" eyes (from their Indian ancestors), and many have easier hair to comb.

Contrast to those from the eastern part of the country who are black in skin color and physical features with a few whites and a few blacks with blue eyes (an eye with no pigment looks blue which means that its an eye "designed" for places like Sweden where the sun is not intense, which means they have some white blood in them) or whites with kinky hair (indicative of african features in them).

Also keep in mind that 60% of Dominicans live in the Cibao and only 10% of Dominicans live in the east! That means that more Dominicans are mixed than black. Of course, if you only visit the eastern part of the country, you would think most Dominicans are black because you have no idea that the people you are looking at in the eastern part of the country only make up 10% of the population. Those that visit the Cibao see a "different" type of Dominican, the lighter skin colored Dominican who predominate in the Cibao Valley, the region that is home to 60% of the national population.

Also keep in mind that there are many Haitians walking within the population, so many blacks that you might see might be Haitians whom you assume as Dominican, but are not!


It doesn't matter what Americans in particular think about Dominicans skin color, whether most are black or white. If things in the US keep going as they are (whites are in decline, blacks and Hispanics immigrants are exponentially growing at alarming rate), not only is the US going to become predominantly black or Hispanic (most Hispanic being Indians from Mexico in the US), but the US will also become increasingly impoverished.

The US is currently looking at a future similar to the DR's. The masses will evolve from the high birth rates among the current minorities and poor who in the future will compose the majority of the US, but the money will remain in the ever shrinking whites.

When that time comes, this discussion will appear once again, but not in the DR, instead it will be in the US.
 
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puropapi3

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Yup

Escott said:
I think Dominicans are hispanic and latino.

Yea, just keep it simple. Dominicans are hispanic because DR is a spanish speaking county. It is Latin because of the European or Spanish/Portugese influence i guess. However i have seen countries for example like Haiti put in the category Latin American countries. It is most likely because of the same influences in the colonial part of that section of the worlds history. Latin countries and Hispanic dont mean the same thing because Brazil is also a Latin American country and they dont speak spanish.

Does anybody agree or disagree with me? Anybody have some facts and points to put in this?
 

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puropapi3 said:
Yea, just keep it simple. Dominicans are hispanic because DR is a spanish speaking county. It is Latin because of the European or Spanish/Portugese influence i guess. However i have seen countries for example like Haiti put in the category Latin American countries. It is most likely because of the same influences in the colonial part of that section of the worlds history. Latin countries and Hispanic dont mean the same thing because Brazil is also a Latin American country and they dont speak spanish.

Does anybody agree or disagree with me? Anybody have some facts and points to put in this?

Latin America refers to the countries in the Western Hemisphere that speak or have a heavy influence of a European Language(s) that originated from Latin.

The modern day languages that originated from Latin are Portuguese, Spanish, French, and Italian. Notice how each language have many many similarities among each other!

Any country influenced by the language and culture of those four European nations should and are considered to be Latin countries. Those countries in the Americas that have received much influence from either Portugal, Spain, France, or Italy are considered part of Latin America.

Despite Haiti being recognized as the most Africanized country outside of Africa, the truth is that Haiti has much French influence within it and as such is considered a Latin American country.

Most people think that Latin American refers to Spanish speaking countries, but that is only because the vast majority of Latin American countries are spanish speaking.

Notice how Jamaica, Bahamas, Belize, etc. are never included under the Latin American title.

However, it must be said that everyday that passes the world is using the title Latin America to denote a region of the world and not so much the ancestral influences to a particular former colony.
 

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Tony C said:
Yes Indie the vast majority of Dominicans do have a mixture of bloods in them but the vast majority is of the black race.
Disagree with me if you want but there is no way you can call most Domincans Latin and be correct.
Dominicans should not call themselves African. African implies nationality. A Person can be white and be African. A person from Morrocco or Algeria is African but not Black.

Can we at least agree that the term "Hispanic" Sucks?

Everything you said was right with a huge persentage of DR being black or very mixed but i just think hispanic means spanish speaking. When cops try to explain someone thats dominican, puerto rican, cuban, etc........ they just say "a hispanic male/female" or "hispanic looking". It can be a description.
 
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