Are Dominicans "Latino" or "Hispanic"?

[ClippedWing]

Clippedwings, you are black? Hahahaha. I had pictured you to be a bitchy fat miserable white woman who hadn't had sex in the last 6 months. So now I have this off my chest let me answer your question.

Then you have the dominican morena (black) which is also a very exotic specie: these girls have slim curvy bodies with rich hairless skin and fine to 50% african features and often brown eyes with long curly hair (salon straighten). These girls are exotic beauties and white men go crazy after them. I have had a few girlfriends like them and believe me its not fun walking around with them as all the guys secretly pass them signals. This pisses me off.
So what was my original train of thought? As always I have lost my original point .

I was going to make a vicious joke about you losing your train of thought and some of the reasons why. But I'm late for spanish class... so I'll refrain.

I would be considered Morena in the DR. They had no idea that I was American until I opened my mouth. I never understood why DR men were so attracted to me(both white and black). Granted I'm a cute girl but the attraction of DR men was unusual and overwhelming. I say this to say that I wore my hair in it's curly state when I was there. Never even thought about straightening it and people- Men and Women, both complimented me daily. So this whole straight hair is better thing is a farce. I never heard one complaint about my beautiful long, curly hair. Too bad all Dominican women can't feel as comfortable about their curls as I do.

Smooches... Clip.

 

[bob saunders]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031016.wkids1016/BNStory/International/

This story will tell you how far Africa has got as far as slavery.
As far as my wife's hair it is not kinky but curly and incredibly soft, she can also straighten it without using a lot of cream. She just doesn't like kinky hair, and if you knew Yris you would certainly realize quickly that she isn't ashamed of her black blood or any of her other ethic makeup. slavery was alive and well before there were any blacks in the USA. They called them Irish.

 

[pasha]

I hope that that.....

student doing her/his ethnological paper in Miami [?] is tuned into this thread...what a lively debate. And, it looks like "Latino" is the preferred descriptor. Think it's about time the Americas give official racial categories the deep six, since they no longer serve a valid purpose. My opinion.

Best, P

PS - My grandmother was half Creek and tragically was ashamed of it until the day she died. In Alabama being part Indian was not much different than being part "nigger." Now it's de rigeur to proclaim one's Native Americaness....bah!

 

[pasha]

Respectfully beg to differ but.....

....Some blacks sold blacks into slavery but that's where I stop. They did not create the horrible institution that slavery became in the New World.

.... it was in fact blacks selling blacks to European traders on the West Coast via Senegal, Guinea and Ghana; and to Arabs on the East side by way principally of Zanzibar. Slave raids did happen, but that wasn't the most efficient way to do it.

Certainly you're right that slaves did not create themselves the institution of slavery, which was not confined only to the New World by a long shot. Jews historically were great slave material...as were white Albanian Christians pressed into Ottoman special military units.

You want to know something really disgusting? Slavery exists to this day....Sudan and Mauretania being prime examples, but there are secret nodes of black-on-black slavery, in the classical sense, sprinkled all around the continent. Don't for one moment think that it's been eradicated. And don't look under the rock in Saudi Arabia.

As recent as a few weeks ago in Washington a Nigerian couple [one of them a doctor as I recall] imported a girl from back home and kept her in virtual slavery for something like 16 years....until the poor creature made a break for it to the police. Usually the culprits are diplomats.

But I wander from the original thread issue...my apologies

P

 

[Chopical]

Polls

This is why we need polls. Then we could just look at it and see the percentage of who wants to be called what rather than reading long posts.


Chopical-Lazy

 

[Indie]

TO CRISS Re: To:"India",and DR_"Offender"!

I used "Indie" becaause you are the one that said that most DOMINICANS are not "Black"....

You and I both know, Criss, that you said "Indie" because you love to pick on anything I post, just so you can disagree with me. You're the moderator, so you should really cut it out. It's getting old already. This was a good thread. Really.

Now, Criss. Go back and re-read, if you can. Again, to clarify, Tony C stated that "the majority of Dominicans are Black." I stated that NO, the majority of Dominicans are MULATOS, get it? (But don't take my word for it; do your own research.)

...Besides,I am notthe one who thought up all the "Degrees" of color that Dominicans use to describe themselves,and eachother!! You even call yourself "Indie"!

Yes! My handle is "Indie" because it's short for "Independent", and that's how I see MYSELF, get it?! It has NOTHING to do with the color of my skin, as you suggest. By the way, Indie is not a color. Jesus!

I know that "Indie" fights for a better Dominican Republic from Florida!!!!!

Yeah, and....??????

You're starting to make this personal. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror, Criss, when you decide to close this thread.


-Indie

 

[Indie]

......Indie, I think we all would love to see your picture in the media gallery.

Thanks. One of these days, maybe.

 

[Indie]

I'd never given it much thought before, but once the subject is broached as in that article, there does in fact seem to be some clear distinctions between the more or less all-inclusive Latino versus the restrictive Hispanic. And that distinction can best be appreciated by people who stem from one or the other. Maybe that committee should have put it to some popular refendum....or would that have led to a never ending fight?

Yes, pasha, I think that committee should have put it to some popular referendum, such as.....having us vote and decide what we feel is most proper to call ourselves in terms of identity and ethnicity, for instance. From the article, I get the sense that the "Hispanic" term came out of an arbitrary decision made by people who I'm not so sure had the right to speak for me, regardless of their credentials.

Would that "vote-for-the-best-terminology-that-best-describes-you" opportunity have led to a never ending fight? Possibly. But it's OUR best interests as a group (i.e., Latinos) that they should be looking out for, if they're gonna take this upon themselves. That was back in 1975, and we're still debating it today. Yet I think that the same way they all agreed that "Hispanic", as opposed to "Latino", was the better term for us then, they can agree on a word/terminology more accurate to describe, include, and represent us all today. Hopefully.

-Indie

 

[pasha]

Whoever said that it's called "heartland"....

because there's no brains there has been proven right. In Nebraska some judge has ordered an estranged father [Latino] not to "speak Hispanic" to his daughter during visitations. It boggles the mind. Think that judge is about to have his lunch publically eaten, or at least I hope so. If you want the full story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38452-2003Oct16.html

QUOTE]Indie....they can agree on a word/terminology more accurate to describe, include, and represent us all today. Hopefully.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to see the whole thing dropped unless there's an absolutely cogent reason to continue classifying people. Too much mischief can be and is played by playing with demographics.

Best, P

 

[Criss Colon]

Attention Posters!

Please don't make 3 posts in a row,without waiting for a response from others.It makes you look like you are "Full Of Yourself"!! Thank you Moderator

 

[Forbeca]

This is a really interesting conversation. I think it depends on the person and each individual should decide what they want to be.
Smooches...Clip

Would that it w/b so easy...

 

[Indie]

Re: Whoever said that it's called "heartland"....

I'd like to see the whole thing dropped unless there's an absolutely cogent reason to continue classifying people. Too much mischief can be and is played by playing with demographics.

I agree.

But if labels were necessary....

About that judge......ha ha ha ha...."the Hispanic language".....ha ha ha ha. What a jerk. (I wonder if George W. Bush, who loves to say, "Mi casa es su casa", knows about that ruling?)

-Indie

 

[Jersey Devil]

Off the top....

I dislike labels, especially those imposed on a
person or group by others.

A poll sounds like a good idea on this topic.

Indie,

You are correct, the majority are mulatos.

Golo,

Did you take interview all the Dominicans
living in the US to come up with the statement
that 99% are chopos? I think you are off.
Are there "chopos" here? yes. 99%? no.

JD

P.s. Aren't Dominicans Caribe?os before being
Latinos or Hispanic?

 

[Tony C]

Re: Re: Whoever said that it's called "heartland"....

About that judge......ha ha ha ha...."the Hispanic language".....ha ha ha ha. What a jerk. (I wonder if George W. Bush, who loves to say, "Mi casa es su casa", knows about that ruling?)

-Indie

EVERYBODY DUCK!

Another liberal is Knee-jerking!
What does Bush have to with it? Don't you know your civics? It was a county circuit court Judge who made that stupid ruling! Even if he wanted to the Pres cannot do anything about it.

Back to the topic.
Recently I talk to a Higher up from "La Raza" He was "outraged"(As liberals tend to get when you disagree with them) when I told him that I did not approve of the term Hispanic. He said that I was a traitor and that we all needed to band together to fight for our rights. What rights were that I asked? He then spewed for the typical stuff. Immigration reform, Rights for Illegals, Universal Medical Care, Affirmative action, More Welfare....ect. When I told him that I was against all of those issues he went ballistic. When he called down I explained that I have no Attachment or bond(Cultural or Political) with Mexicans. I refuse to have my name used or be counted as a member of a group that has no love for the country that provides them shelter and hope.
By then the guy was positively apoplectic. You should have seen his face when I told him that their Group should instead be helping people educated themselves, get off welfare roles and explain to them that being an Illegal allien means you are a criminal. And that maybe they should actually do something to help their people instead of using the group to advance their own political aspirations.
The really funny part was when I told him I was Cuban. He imediately realized where I was comming from and that he was wasting his time because Cubans don't need any help from them. We have done quite well not associating ourselves with loosers like them.

 

[Indie]

TONY C...

Another liberal is Knee-jerking!
What does Bush have to with it? Don't you know your civics? It was a county circuit court Judge who made that stupid ruling! Even if he wanted to the Pres cannot do anything about it.

Tell you what:
1. You don't call me names, and I won't call you names.
2. I mentioned GWB because for all intents and purposes, he and his brother Jeb love to speak Spanish - - or, as that Ronald E. Reagan judge so eloquently put it - - "the Hispanic language". It would have been humorous and entertaining, at least to me, to hear of GWB's reaction to it all, just out of sheer morbid curiousity on my behalf. Anyway, I know pasha got it.
3. Yes, I know my civics.
4. Although I view that stupid ruling as being unconstitutional; infringing on civil liberties, I never expected or even suggested that 'the Pres' could or would do anything about it. And with my comment, I also never defiled or disparaged 'the Pres'.

OK, Tony C?

-Indie

 

[Jersey Devil]

Indie

Just to keep the record straight it's
Ronald Wilson Reagan if you are referring
to the United States' 40th President.
You used the middle initial E.

GOP Dittos,

JD

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/rr40.html

 

[Indie]

Jersey Devil

Thanks, but I was referring to the judge in question. His name is Ronald E. Reagan, as stated in the article; courtesy of pasha.

-Indie

 

[ERICKXSON]

I do not understand what's going on in the Dr with this raimbow of colors i have an aunt she married a chopo black as hell (no offense but i hate this guy) she has 6 kids 3 whites one with green eyes and 3 pitch black (my lord) was the milk man around? well is questionable. take a look at me, my father pitch black his father portuguesse, white my mom, white my grandma Spaniard my grandfather Black (blue eyes, straight hair) his great grandfather was from England what the hell? this place is freaking weird and now me! mullato or trigueno or what ever you want to call this mixture inside my clothes im dead white, if i'm in the sun i get really dark if im in cold places my skin color turns really light.

WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT>

 

[ERICKXSON]

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[samiam]

Latino, case closed

As to Pasha's original question, Are Dominicans "Latino" or "Hispanic"? I think I might have found an answer.

According to the good people at Cerveceria Nacional Dominicana who produce everibody's favorite, Cerveza Presidente, we are Latinos.
Festival Presidente de musica Hispana does not have the same ring to it as Festival Presidente de Musica Latina.
Now the question is do you want a grande or a peque?a?