BBC News: Over 200 People Violently Killed in 10 Days

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But there has been NO call from the respected civil society actors for international armed intervention
I am not proposing armed intervention.
My proposal is that help in the form of weapons be provided.
If this is what they stopped.
Just imagine what is getting through to the bad guys.

The good guys do not need to smuggle weapons.
As far as I am concerned...your posts make my point.

The talkers are getting nothing done.
Time to give the tools to the good guys.
And let them start pulling triggers.
I will let the good guys in Haiti decide where and who to begin shooting at.
Neither I nor you are in the position to make that decision.
But there are people sitting in the big chair that can make decisions to help the people of Haiti without putting their own people at risk.
The people of Haiti must resolve this.

Finally, if there are no good guys.
All of this talk is a useless exercise.
 
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I am not proposing armed intervention.
My proposal is that help in the form of weapons be provided.

If this is what they stopped.
Just imagine what is getting through to the bad guys.

The good guys do not need to smuggle weapons.
As far as I am concerned...your posts make my point.

The talkers are getting nothing done.
Time to give the tools to the good guys.
And let them start pulling triggers.
I will let the good guys in Haiti decide where and who to begin shooting at.
Neither I nor you are in the position to make that decision.
But there are people sitting in the big chair that can make decisions to help the people of Haiti without putting their own people at risk.
The people of Haiti must resolve this.

Finally, if there are no good guys.
All of this talk is a useless exercise.
I guess that you did not take the time to watch or read the report to the Congress that I posted

There are only 15,000 police in Haiti - far less than would be recommended for a nation of that size

Former Ambassador White https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_White reported on how when she was there - they had the NYC police force to help build capacity in the police force.

But the corruption in Haiti is so prevalent - a policeman does not make enough money to support a family and thus easily bribed.

Most of the foreign aid money goes back to the nation that sent it - Americans hire American companies - Germans hire Germans. The foreigners who oversee this aid live like princes. All expenses paid - children in private schools, guarded homes, vacations back home. Haiti is often referred to as "the Republic of NGOs"

Haiti has been considered a hardship post so salaries are doubled. Many keep their families in Sto Dom.

In 2005 the Peace Corps closed.

The real issue is the CAPACITY of the people to absorb the money. If you know anyone who works at an NGO in the DR, even a local one, you will understand that there are layers and layers of managers who live ABOVE the farmer - filing grants, keeping track of money. The corruption in that sector - Even in the DR - is enormous.

Which is why I suggested https://fonkoze.org which has Microfinance programs that build capacity.

I understand your frustration. The Haitians have been frustrated since their independence in 1803. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/haitian-independence-proclaimed
 

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I cannot vouch for the sources in this article.https://haitiantimes.com/2019/01/07/drug-traffickers-exploit-haiti-while-amassing-10-billion-under-u-s-scrutiny/
But I was a conference in the DR with the head of their DEA - (Then about 15% of all exports went through Hispaniola) before the introduction of MINUSTAH, 85% of the drugs destined for the US &Europe went through the Haitian side.. After Minustah, the ratio shifted and the majority went through the DR. https://haitiantimes.com/2019/01/07...while-amassing-10-billion-under-u-s-scrutiny/
 

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I am not proposing armed intervention.
My proposal is that help in the form of weapons be provided.

If this is what they stopped.
Just imagine what is getting through to the bad guys.

The good guys do not need to smuggle weapons.
As far as I am concerned...your posts make my point.

The talkers are getting nothing done.
Time to give the tools to the good guys.
And let them start pulling triggers.
I will let the good guys in Haiti decide where and who to begin shooting at.
Neither I nor you are in the position to make that decision.
But there are people sitting in the big chair that can make decisions to help the people of Haiti without putting their own people at risk.
The people of Haiti must resolve this.

Finally, if there are no good guys.
All of this talk is a useless exercise.
Why not invest 3 hours in watching the video I posted?

There are PLENTY of "good guys" in Haiti,

The majority of them are women - University educated, multilingual women.
 

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Why not invest 3 hours in watching the video I posted?
Because my time is more valuable than that.
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I have spent the majority of my adult working life resolving conflict with people.
Some who were pointing a gun at me.

I don't need anyone tell me how to resolve a situation with an armed criminal.
You put a gun on them and let them know they the have the option of putting their gun down and coming along peacefully or dying.
There are PLENTY of "good guys" in Haiti,
Yes they are. Good girls too.
The majority of them are women - University educated, multilingual women.
If they are willing to pull a trigger, they can get the job done also.

I don't sit in the big chair.
But I am talking as if I was.
My policy would be to arm the people that my intelligence services say have the interests of my people in mind.
And make it clear to the bad guys that I have their back.
And that I was going to keep shipping weapons to give the good guys superior firepower until the conflict is resolved in their favor.
That is what leaders do.
They lead‼️
 

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"While the gangs have been able to acquire assault rifles and ammunition through illegal trafficking at Haiti’s ports — like the 120,000 rounds police seized on July 1 from a boat arriving from the U.S. — the police have been barred by U.S. arms restrictions and red tape from purchasing their own. Other nations also have been reluctant to sell the police force weapons out of fear of running afoul of U.S. laws — or that the guns will end up in the hands of bandits, due to a history of arms disappearing from government stockpiles. So police use weapons seized from gang members or acquire them through government workarounds."


They are continuing to do their jobs while being unsupported and outgunned.
Brave men ‼️
 

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Because my time is more valuable than that.
👿🔫
I have spent the majority of my adult working life resolving conflict with people.
Some who were pointing a gun at me.

I don't need anyone tell me how to resolve a situation with an armed criminal.
You put a gun on them and let them know they the have the option of putting their gun down and coming along peacefully or dying.

Yes they are. Good girls too.

If they are willing to pull a trigger, they can get the job done also.

I don't sit in the big chair.
But I am talking as if I was.
My policy would be to arm the people that my intelligence services say have the interests of my people in mind.
And make it clear to the bad guys that I have their back.
And that I was going to keep shipping weapons to give the good guys superior firepower until the conflict is resolved in their favor.
That is what leaders do.
They lead‼️
"My Mind is Made Up. Do Not Confuse me with Facts."
 

mountainannie

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"While the gangs have been able to acquire assault rifles and ammunition through illegal trafficking at Haiti’s ports — like the 120,000 rounds police seized on July 1 from a boat arriving from the U.S. — the police have been barred by U.S. arms restrictions and red tape from purchasing their own. Other nations also have been reluctant to sell the police force weapons out of fear of running afoul of U.S. laws — or that the guns will end up in the hands of bandits, due to a history of arms disappearing from government stockpiles. So police use weapons seized from gang members or acquire them through government workarounds."


They are continuing to do their jobs while being unsupported and outgunned.
Brave men ‼️
..."After France hosted an April meeting, the U.S. State Department noted that it had provided 60 vehicles to the Haitian police and was working with its leadership ”to develop an elite unit capable of high-impact arrests and anti-gang operations, as well as expand its community policing efforts to regain the trust of citizens in gang-affected neighborhoods.”


But as of July, no training by the U.S. had begun, even though the State Department had said Haitians could expect to “see visible progress by mid-summer.” France, which made a similar commitment to help create a new SWAT corps, has already started its training."...
 

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Just curious--What's the incentive for the U.S. to help at this time? (The reason why my post is so short is that any longer it would trigger"the whip to my back" as my good friend Vegas always likes to say when faced with the TOS).
But think about all of the issues facing the U.S. now and why would it make sense for this administration to add kindle to this fire? IDK...is this a good deal for U.S. ? No more than a couple of months ago some of our esteemed members stated with authority ,Haiti wasn't worth anything , to anybody, at anytime for the next 20 years. Hmmmm, maybe they know something up there in the NC that they conveyed to the State Department? You never know who is listening and reading DR1. :cool: