Dominican Immigration has extended the stay for tourist

[william webster]

Isn't that what happened to our FrCdn friends ?
Whose plight was reported by their driver - there to pick them up at the airport?

They didn't make it through Immigration..........

And many scoffed at this -- must be something else.

Now - we have sightings of an overstay list and more letter chatter about overstays.

Who knows...??

 

[cavok]

A bow only needs one string. Why would someone want to add another string? Would it be a two string bow or are you suggesting a 2nd string in storage?

Perhaps you want to say they would be adding another arrow into their quiver.

Arrows would be much more valuable than additional bow strings.

There is no new "arrow to their quiver" either. This is not a new law. They had this right under existing laws.

 

[ju10prd]

I totally disagree. Both letters specifically mention denying entry for past overstays. They say nothing about deporting anyone.

Student, worker, investor, etc. are legal resident statuses. It goes without saying that temporary and permanent residents(which are mentioned specifically in the second letter) require a resident visa. I thought everybody knew that(?).

This letter states nothing NEW. It just states clearly that under the EXISTING laws that they have the right to deny ENTRY to those who have overstayed. Neither letter has anything to do with deportation.

This doesn't add any "string to their bow". They already had this right under existing law. This is not a new law.

I said absolutely nothing about deporting and referred to the no admission option.

Agreed this is not a new law, I've written that already in this thread at concept, post #5 to be exact, but the referred letters are reminding parties they can apply it as described. If officers at ports of entry have the same memos, they now indeed have a new string to their bow.

And the letter specifically refers to people who enter as 'no resident' and stay here as unauthorized residents.

Go find an argument elsewhere and stop writing something I absolutely didn't write.

 

[cavok]

I said absolutely nothing about deporting and referred to the no admission option.

Agreed this is not a new law, I've written that already in this thread at concept, post #5 to be exact, but the referred letters are reminding parties they can apply it as described. If officers at ports of entry have the same memos, they now indeed have a new string to their bow.

And the letter specifically refers to people who enter as 'no resident' and stay here as unauthorized residents.

Go find an argument elsewhere and stop writing something I absolutely didn't write.

I'm not arguing and I already told you that this would not apply to this admission of Venezuelans because they aren't coming and going in the first place. What few that may be travelling back and forth could no doubt be denied entry - along with anybody else who previously overstayed. People who are admittied here as "no residente" are tourists. No need to get your knickers in a knot.

 

[bienamor]

A bow only needs one string. Why would someone want to add another string? Would it be a two string bow or are you suggesting a 2nd string in storage?

Perhaps you want to say they would be adding another arrow into their quiver.

Arrows would be much more valuable than additional bow strings.

you can have all the arrows in your quiver but if your string breaks the arrows are useless except as large darts. always carry and extra

 

[ju10prd]

I'm not arguing and I already told you that this would not apply to this admission of Venezuelans because they aren't coming and going in the first place. What few that may be travelling back and forth could no doubt be denied entry - along with anybody else who previously overstayed. People who are admittied here as "no residente" are tourists. No need to get your knickers in a knot.

There are other no resident categories.

SKY is correct in so far as these memos reinforce the possibility of immigration officers denying Venezuelans entry too; those who have found an unauthorized residence here and do track back and forth to their home country and the several planes that fly full back and forth to Venezuela every day reinforces the likelihood than many are doing just that.

It may be a ruse to do just that right now by notifying all foreign entities and lawyers for evenhandedness, but also imply that this could be extended to all such foreigners soon too.

Time will tell.

 

[snowbird44]

I have been overstaying since 2000. I bought a small apartment in Cabarete in 2004. Never a problem coming and going. No penalties the first few years, then it was RD$1000 at first and now it is RD$4000. That's fine, just facilitate a Visa that allows me to stay 3-4 months. I can't imagine arriving with my two cats and being denied access. I may test it for a short visit in the Fall.

 

[windeguy]

Russ just returned to Canada. Two things. He saw the so called list and it is an overstay list and it was checked for his name. He also had a more difficult time getting thorough Immigration. Had to show his entrada and salida dates on his passport to prove he didn’t stay beyond the mandatory 30 days. Even with all that they still tried to pressure him into paying $2500DOP for overstay fees. It more or less confirms one of my previous posts where I stated it’s not about the legality of the overstay, it’s about collecting money for the DR government coffers. To put it another way in the DR deniro talks and toro caca walks. I’m betting all of this will come to a bureaucratic halt when high season starts next fall and they have multiple plane loads of passengers to process through immigration at the same time.

It seems that since there is a list and it contains the names of people that overstay, it is no longer a so called list but rather a list of those that over stay. You are making an assumption that they just want to collect money and nothing else will happen if you are on that list. Perhaps someone actually on that list will report back as to what happened to them.

 

[windeguy]

I have been overstaying since 2000. I bought a small apartment in Cabarete in 2004. Never a problem coming and going. No penalties the first few years, then it was RD$1000 at first and now it is RD$4000. That's fine, just facilitate a Visa that allows me to stay 3-4 months. I can't imagine arriving with my two cats and being denied access. I may test it for a short visit in the Fall.

So far, no 3 to 4 month or more method exists for a visa for you other then getting residency.

Time will tell if the exit fees continue, if there is a longer snowbird visa which I very much doubt, or if people on that list of overstayers have any issues with re-entering the DR. Still not much information on that other than confirmation that such a list does exist and people have been checked against it.

 

[lifeisgreat]

So far, no 3 to 4 month or more method exists for a visa for you other then getting residency.

Time will tell if the exit fees continue, if there is a longer snowbird visa which I very much doubt, or if people on that list of overstayers have any issues with re-entering the DR. Still not much information on that other than confirmation that such a list does exist and people have been checked against it.

They don’t need a list! Computer populates your ins and outs and how long you stayed...now finger prints are with your profile also..

 

[SKY]

They don’t need a list! Computer populates your ins and outs and how long you stayed...now finger prints are with your profile also..

There is no list of overstays. They just swipe your passport.

 

[cavok]

One would think that is all they need to do - swipe your passport and the immigration officer should be able to see all your entry/exit dates(?).

 

[CristoRey]

There is no new "arrow to their quiver" either. This is not a new law. They had this right under existing laws.

Will someone please show me a law in this country that
has not been selectively enforced?

 

[ju10prd]

They don’t need a list! Computer populates your ins and outs and how long you stayed...now finger prints are with your profile also..

Agreed, but it takes time to record your entry and exit record profile with the systems introduced.

SDQ and STI have had the system running for a couple of years and POP a few months.

Perhaps an explanation of the paper list reported?

 

[Kip]

My son just returned to STI tonight. Left last Friday after two 10-month over stays the past 2 years. No issues.

We're going to Miami in June to begin the visa-residency process....again. It'd be nice if the Consulate could just simply give a straight answer. We've tangled with them for 3 years. We had visas in 2015 after an arduous process but didn't achieve a conversion to residency before expiration. In seeking information, the Miami Consulate can't give the same answer twice. I have conflicting email info from them consistently. Their website still has the information that was incorrect and outdated in 2015 (both pricing and required documentation is wrong). We have assimilated a stack of differing lists of required documents from the place. We're going back this time with everything off all the lists. Hopefully they won't fabricate something new this time. We're legitimately trying to follow the rules; the rules just seem to change by the day.

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[ljmesg]

you can have all the arrows in your quiver but if your string breaks the arrows are useless except as large darts. always carry and extra

Yes, but is much more likely to run out of arrows before one snaps a bow string.

 

[william webster]

One would think that is all they need to do - swipe your passport and the immigration officer should be able to see all your entry/exit dates(?).

I expect that once the data base is built and solid that will happen.

I experienced the introduction of the new online/computerized traffic fine payment system -
It took a while to be fully active....
The information side was in place long before the payment part was actually implemented.
It works well now, they say

 

[lifeisgreat]

I expect that once the data base is built and solid that will happen.

I experienced the introduction of the new online/computerized traffic fine payment system -
It took a while to be fully active....
The information side was in place long before the payment part was actually implemented.
It works well now, they say

It’s been solid few yrs now..

 

[Uzin]

Reading all the posts, here are a few points come to my mind:

1- Someone said all these memos back and fort that mention 60 days is about tourist visa, that I think is absolutely correct, this has no relevance what-so-over to the tourist card which is 30 days and not a visa. Tourists from certain countries need tourist visa (60 days) to come to DR, like Iraq, India, China many African countries, perhaps there has been a problem with this lot in DR - see the map here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_the_Dominican_Republic

The memos are about them clearly, do you see a mention of tourist card and 30 days, which is specifically for people from other countries allowed to enter "visa free". Of course this will be really hard for any DR government office to clarify... !

2- Mention of a list of a few people who overstay, that is a joke surely, a few people on a list !? That list will be in many thousands, and can be checked on computers not on a sheet of paper. The guys mentioning the list seem to come via boat and marina, maybe it has something to do with that.

3- A bit off topic but I am totally baffled by why Venezuelans come to DR (in the first place)... !!! Take a look at this map and see all the places they can go without visa:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Venezuelan_citizens

Is it the weather, or such a great place with job opportunities, okay language and distance might be a factor, but so many places they can go and they choose DR (can go to all of Europe, Spain, Mexico... )... !?

4- As I mentioned before why DR is blamed for wanting different immigration policies for Haitians (or Venezuelans) if it wishes to is beyond me... ! All countries have it, does US or UK have the same policy for someone coming from Somalia and say Europe !!!
They should totally select who they want to control effecting their population, economy and resources, but I think half of (lazy) DR like the cheap labour...

 

[william webster]

@GreatLife
Well,
just last year Ban Reservas couldn't accept payment..... at least on the north coast .

Point here is that the fingerprint and passport data base will take time to build before being as effective as it needs to be.

It will happen , I expect, but I am still amazed at how little NEXUS and Global Entry can pull up quickly