Dominican Immigration has extended the stay for tourist

[Matilda]

The clue to deciphering it is to look at the relevant articles of the law referred to in the text. Both of the articles in the law refer to the 30 day time period for submitting the relevant documents to the Migration Office.

PRÓRROGA DEPÓSITOS DE EXPEDIENTES

A partir de la fecha, todos los casos de usuarios extranjeros que, habiendo violado el plazo de
treinta (30) días prescrito en el PARRAFO y del artículo 45 y del artículo 71 de la Ley General de
Migración No. 285-04, del 15 de agosto del 2004, dentro del cual debieron realizar el depósito
de sus aplicaciones y que solicitaren PRÓRROGA PARA SOLICITUD DE DEPÓSITOS DE
EXPEDIENTES CON FINES DE RESIDENCIA Y/O CUALQUIER OTRO ESTATUS MIGRATORIO que sea
de lugar conforme a la ley, se les cobren los siguientes importes, según el caso:


"Párrafo: a los fines de lo establecido en este articulo, el extranjero solicitara ante
la dirección general de migración una prorroga de su estadía en el país, cuando el
tiempo autorizado para su permanencia no le sea suficiente para agotar el proceso de
solicitud de residencia. Dicha prorroga no podara exceder de treinta (30) días, pero la
misma podrá ser renovada a discreción de la autoridad competente, la solicitud
motivada del peticionario.
Art. 71: Dentro de los treinta (30) días de ingresado al país con visa de residencia,
el extranjero deberá presentarse ante la dirección general de migración a fin de
completar el proceso de solicitud de residencia y preceder a su registro. "

 

[windeguy]

Matilda, it is fascinating they would charge more of a fee for excess time spent for people who started the residency process than for those who didn't.

 

[william webster]

may not be true Windy.... too tough to call
what they mean by it all - different scales

 

[windeguy]

may not be true Windy.... too tough to call
what they mean by it all - different scales

I seemed clear to me after Matilda's explanation. The "overstay delay" while getting residency is more per month than the overstay for a tourist card. Makes no sense.

 

[Matilda]

Matilda, it is fascinating they would charge more of a fee for excess time spent for people who started the residency process than for those who didn't.

Well they charge RD$500 a month for late renewal of residency, which is RD$6,000 a year, so all different sorts of fees for all different sorts of things! No logic at all.

Matilda

 

[AnnaC]

They are two different things. This new list which has appeared is the List of Fees for Residency Applications Deposited beyond 30 Days After Entering the Dominican Republic with a Visa. It is not overstay fees. When you apply for residency you have 30 days to deposit your papers at Migracion - over that time, these are the fines you pay.

Matilda

That's great, now that makes better sense. Thanks

 

[Caonabo]

They all saw the letter by MIP/DGM on FB saying that those who overstay their tourist card can be denied entry.

And we all KNOW how reliable "news" on Facebook is.

 

[Caonabo]

I don't know if that was a response to my post, but I'm not the one that needs convincing - it's the Canadians I was referring to. I doubt any of them have seen your post #239 or that it would give them any assurance even if they did. They are going to believe an official letter from MIP/DGM before a post on DR1 interpreting the overstay fees.

An "official" letter possibly. Obtain that from the consulate office abroad and we have a talking point.....not Facebook.
No crack on you, but your friends need not worry if they do not possess criminal records in their home nation. The RD is open for business as usual otherwise.

 

[oldschool]

Friend left yesterday from POP.......here for around 70 days......paid 2500 pesos

 

[cavok]

An "official" letter possibly. Obtain that from the consulate office abroad and we have a talking point.....not Facebook.
No crack on you, but your friends need not worry if they do not possess criminal records in their home nation. The RD is open for business as usual otherwise.

This letter from MIP/DGM was originally posted by the OP of this thread - an immigration attorney with Guzman Ariza. It was also posted by another attorney on FB.

Try to put yourself in the shoes of the average snowbird. You may be right, but are they going to believe what you, SKY, or I say, or are they more likely to believe what two prominent attorneys here are saying and what they read on an offical letter?

Let's put the blame where the blame belongs for creating all the fear, uncertainty, and doubt - squarely on DGM for failing to put out clear, unequivocable guidance as to the legal status of tourists here after the 60 day tourist card expires.

If snowbirds and other do not have to worry as long as they have no criminal record, then DGM should inform all consulates accordingly and make it available on their websites.

 

[william webster]

I see it no other way....
We discuss the letter and how to parse it - decipher it - mostly without success.

Now we learn there seem to be two scales for overstaying !

But neither of the overstays appear to to be cause for entry refusal.

That's what I take from it - which really is nothing.
Yet they disseminate this information

I suppose they're trying to clarify things - not for me they don't !!

 

[tmnyc]

It sure is vague when it translates to EXTENSION FOR APPLICATION OF DEPOSITS OF RECORDS FOR RESIDENCE PURPOSES AND / OR ANY OTHER IMMIGRATION STATUS.

The "And/Or Any other immigration status" to me would mean anyone who came into the DR under any circumstance.

The operative words are "And/Or Any other immigration status" (Y/O CUALQUIER OTRO ESTATUS MIGRATORIO) . Tourists are not in a immigration status.

Immigrate=come to live permanently in a foreign country.

 

[Cdn_Gringo]

Some have mentioned knowing and have referred posters to people who act as official translators for documents. Someone like me who has a well rounded understanding of English words and their usage in that context is not the best person to try and decipher what a native Spanish speaker is trying to say exactly after letting Google have it's way with the original message.

Maybe someone who knows a translator can ask them for their opinion? Maybe if someone asked Marianopolita she would take a stab at clarifying what the govt is trying to say. Clearly we need someone with a better than average Spanish comprehension skill set.

 

[drisforme]

Fee to pay after 30 days stay.

See below the fee to pay after staying 30 days.

I got it at POP on May 12 from the custom officer who is in charge of getting the fees from passengers leaving the country.

PS: I would love to have the upload image enabled without going through an external site such as tinypic.

Thank you

 

[jahjahwarrior]

Arrived again last night. Seemed like the lady was typing my address in Dr into the computer, which I hasn't noticed before, but I could be wrong, she just said out loud the building name and at the same time I confirmed she was typing. Then she said for me to have a beautiful day.

So I did. Really glad to be back, now to go install some new security cameras, replace car headlights and attend a friend's birthday party. Have a beautiful day too guys!

 

[Uzin]

Arrived again last night. Seemed like the lady was typing my address in Dr into the computer, which I hasn't noticed before, but I could be wrong, she just said out loud the building name and at the same time I confirmed she was typing. Then she said for me to have a beautiful day.

Damn, so can't put Playboy mansion, Puerto Plata, DR anymore for the address.....lol, they have never ever looked at that form when I have entered in the past 13 years, just chucked it on the side and stamped the passport !

 

[windeguy]

The operative words are "And/Or Any other immigration status" (Y/O CUALQUIER OTRO ESTATUS MIGRATORIO) . Tourists are not in a immigration status.

Immigrate=come to live permanently in a foreign country.

OK. This is a fact: Anyone who stays more than 30 days on a tourist card is illegally in the country.

No matter what Migracion allows them to do when leaving such as paying an exit fee, they are illegal after 30 days.

Someone who stays more than 30 days in that situation has illegally remained in the country. How is that not an immigration status?

 

[Caonabo]

Cue the nails on a chalkboard please. Let it go already.

 

[windeguy]

Cue the nails on a chalkboard please. Let it go already.

[video=youtube;lgrHPJpIwfs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgrHPJpIwfs[/video]

 

[tmnyc]

OK. This is a fact: Anyone who stays more than 30 days on a tourist card is illegally in the country.

No matter what Migracion allows them to do when leaving such as paying an exit fee, they are illegal after 30 days.

Someone who stays more than 30 days in that situation has illegally remained in the country. How is that not an immigration status?

It's not. That's an irregular migration status.

Immigration status can be defined in a binary way- as either legal or illegal. Irregular migration status can involve a wide spectrum of violations of immigration and/or other Dominican laws. ... Irregular immigration status can also arise from legal entry and illegal overstaying of a time limited visa like a Tourist Card.

I believe the aforementioned "new" fees pertain for those who are delinquent or request an extension/deferment (more than 30 days) in completing the subsequent steps of their legal immigration/residency process and or submission of the required immigration paperwork.