German tourism has fallen more than 50%

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batich

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Are you serious..........I think you better get some data to back up that stupid assumption.
BTW is see enough fat German slobs in Sosua with little girls to know different.
hifiman

What data??!!

In Germany brothels are legal and reasonably priced and there are plenty of them in each small town. FKK Clubs they are called.

In US if you even respond "Hi" to a girl`s greeting in the street you risk to be hit with a string operation and to lose your car or worse.

If you are a man in your 40s or 50s or beyond how are you supposed to get sex in US for God sake?

Or maybe I am not educated nor travelled enough. I will have to apologise in this case.

But I cannot imagine a more sexually deprived person on Earth than NA male. I hope I am wrong.

Anyway, love and peace to all my bretheren!!
 

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You are leaving out your fellow Canadians,they allso have a healthy appitite for young Dom. hookers,and thier are many more canucks on the north coast then Americans.
 

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Batich: "I can't imagine a more sexually deprived person on earth than the NA male ... am I wrong?"

Yes, you are wrong. You forgot to consider the NA female....
 

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If you are a man in your 40s or 50s or beyond how are you supposed to get sex in US for God sake?

Or maybe I am not educated nor travelled enough. I will have to apologise in this case.
Do some "research" on Nevada.

Some American men swear that Nevada is the only state with realistic politicians. I guess legalized prostitution (although in Las Vegas it's illegal) has something to do with that.

Last time I checked, Nevada is still part of the USA, no?
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It appears that Germans are price sensitive.

-NALs
 
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This thread is about German Tourism. Not sex for sale and hookers. Keep some perspective please. The tourism industry is not only hookers.


Some people from travel industry say that this is the only attractive thing in DR as touristic destination.

That in all other aspects DR cannot compete with places like Antalia, Hurgada, Sousse, Limassol and Slunchev Briag. As far as aleman tourists are concerned.

Maybe they are wrong as well.

I for instance do not use services of hookers but am very happy in DR. But we are talking about tourists on one-two week vacation.
 
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Do some "research" on Nevada.

Some American men swear that Nevada is the only state with realistic politicians. I guess legalized prostitution (although in Las Vegas it's illegal) has something to do with that.

Last time I checked, Nevada is still part of the USA, no?
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It appears that Germans are price sensitive.

-NALs

This thread is about DR. I am very much familiar with Nevada in all respects but we cannot discuss it here. Anyway, commercial sex in Nevada is total joke. If you`ve been there you know what I mean.
 

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LOL. Actually even though they are starting to return, the Canadians, who were one of the first to vacation in Sosua, abandoned quite a few years ago. The Germans replaced them and they too are now leaving "To stay with the thread". The Canadians that are here now are upper scale (Most) compared to 20 years ago. It was all a $$ thing. I'm sure the same thing is happening with the Germans. Several are leaving now for the same reason but the ones with more $$ will stay. Same thing is going to happen with the Americans and pretty soon the Russians. I am not that well travelled but I'm sure that some of you have seen this happen in other vacation destinations.
 
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if one could break the subject down to a few paragraphs, Id say these two posts size up the reality of the german issue very well:

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The Germans that were coming to the North Coast in large numbers were "working class" people. Secretaries, policemen, factory workers, lower level white-collar workers. The professional/managerial class went to Bavaro, etc, on the east coast.

The Germans on the north coast were here because it was about the cheapest place to go at that time. They bought an all inclusive package in Germany and did almost nothing for the businesses off the hotel grounds. Many brought almost no money with them, having bought their all inclusive plan before they left home.

The Germans on the north coast were seen by the Dominicans as being cheap. When they spoke of Germans, they knocked their elbow with their fist, if you know what that means.

I am not saying all Germans on the North Coast were that way, but the large majority were.

Resorts that wanted Germans had to give the tour operators who brought them such low prices that it required almost 100% occupancy to just break even.

If those Germans aren't coming to the DR these days, it is because it has become more expensive. Now that more North Americans are coming, there is no need to offer prices below cost to fill the hotels.

If the hotels still have high occupancy rates, and if they are charging higher prices than when the Germans were coming in large numbers, I say this is a change for the better. Now, hopefully, resort properties will be better maintained, businesses off the hotel property will see more clients, and the general economic climate of the area will improve.

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I cannot disagree. For business owners american crowd that stupidly overpays for everything for sure is a very good thing.
But the end result very soon will be another Costa Rica or Puerto Rico with astronomical prices and spoiled local population.

On the other hand, Germans or other sophysticated people can be wisely present in native areas for decades without damaging markets and spoiling paradises. Americans cannot. Not trained to think independently and critically.


I doubt that if the german ambassador was sympathetic to the plight of the cheap german sex tourist, he would speak his mind candidly.
He helps the cause by making the remarks in a manner that will draw attention to the remedies, which is the goal anyway.

things like the tourism decline are seldom one or two things...something like this is very dynamic....

If you think about it, the german tourist on the north coast in an all inclusive...isnt seeing a lot of the countries problems...

and i have been to several other carribean vacation destinations, and I remember huge garbage problems. It was over 15 years ago though..

I remember seeing tons of garbage at the bottom of this crystal clear canal near Paradise Island in the Bahamas.....it was such a huge contrast.


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Batich: "I can't imagine a more sexually deprived person on earth than the NA male ... am I wrong?"

Yes, you are wrong. You forgot to consider the NA female....

No, I do not forget about them. But this is DR forum, not NA.

Anyway I personally know some gringas in their 40s and older who live in Sosua area without any cultural or social life, without having families, without decent infrastructure and without decent healthcare for one reason only - excellent athletic muscle hard-bodied 25 y.o. sunkies from El Gymnasio or from watchimen. Sex addiction is the healthiest addiction of all.
 

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The German economy is doing quite well, in fact their currency (Euro) is at historic highs against the USD and they are traveling in great numbers to the USA

I think the Peso is pretty much "dollar based" so I would think the Euro would receive a very favorable exchange and make it cheap for German tourists to visit the DR?

With respect, that's too simplistic. The Euro has indeed strengthened against the dollar but the German economy has been weakened by joining the Euro. At the same time as the stronger economies in Europe were supporting the weaker ones (leading, for example, to massive growth in Ireland etc) they were also in and out of recession. This has been the case for well over a decade now. Statistics from 2003 showed that half a million less people were employed in Germany then than in 2002. BBC NEWS | Business | Germany on brink of recession

The Dom Rep became more expensive for German tourists at the same time as German tourists had to start spending less money. The German economy has just begun to sort itself out (slightly) over the last 12 months (although still doubtful that it is a full recovery). But it's too late. Once people find 'somewhere new' to go, it takes a lot to get them back.

German holiday makers & property owners in Spain are down over the last decade too.

The Dominican Republic remains one of the fastest growing destinations for British holiday makers.
 

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....the german ambassador ...He helps the cause by making the remarks in a manner that will draw attention to the remedies, which is the goal anyway.
Whose goal?
I have yet to see that criticism, though well founded it may be, is seen as a constructive element by Dominicans.

List?n Diario Digital - El peri?dico de los dominicanos

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The headline of the Listin Diario indicates the criticism was not well received.

Foreigners going to another country and criticizing normally are not, no matter which country it is.
 

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Ken & KeithF's explanations are closest to explaining the decline.
Eddy actually touched on a factor that did play a role.
It's a combination of many factors, but the predominant and major factor is what Ken describes.
KeithF''s economic input, confirms the economic reasons.
And Eddy's "chica thing" has a lot to do with it, when it comes to single travelers.

As it's far for Germans to fly here, and prices rise, it is getting near impossible to offer a competitive AI vacation to them, while the North Americans are a lot closer, and we all know that the Americans have been catching onto the DR in the last 6 or 7 years, filling the void left from the declining Germans.
 

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Not so!!!

The Dominican Republic remains one of the fastest growing destinations for British holiday makers.

Sorry mate but have a look at the ABTA travel trends report (2005 is the last year available...2006 data not yet processed...you'll have to google it, I have a copy but it's too big to attach here) as it directly contradicts your statement

The DR is most certainly NOT on UK travellers "radar screens", in fact the DR does NOT even merit a mention anywhere in the report. A damning indictment indeed.
 

xamaicano

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Well, the point I was trying to make was that Germans tend to be more economical when it comes to tourism as oppose to Americans who spend less time (less vacation) and spend more money. I find myself spending less money per day on longer vacation and I have gotten some great deals from a German friend. As far as sex tourist comment, Germans have the worst reputation as sex tourist. If quite a few places they have the reputation of being the biggest pedophiles.

For most of those american tourists going to DR is the only opportunity to have sex.

Germans are allowed to have plenty of sex in their country so they can look beyond this basic instinct.
 

xamaicano

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As it's far for Germans to fly here, and prices rise, it is getting near impossible to offer a competitive AI vacation to them, while the North Americans are a lot closer, and we all know that the Americans have been catching onto the DR in the last 6 or 7 years, filling the void left from the declining Germans.

It is a simple as that. Good, bad or indifferent, once a tourist destination starts being attractiveto Americans it becomes less so for some Europeans. Americans tend to spend more because they spend less time on vacation. Which one of the reasons I tend to go places frequented by Europeans. A lot cheaper.
 

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Perhaps the explanation is much simpler. Look at the massive development of AI resorts in Cuba over the last years. Picture what will happen when Cuba "opens" to Americans... Major decline of American tourism in DR maybe the headline. Back in the 90's the DR was the hotspot for cheap AI tourism, nowadays there are more options for that.

And as far as booking AI goes and leaving the wallet at home. Thats the whole idea of AI, isn't it? Some can say no you have to buy souvenirs and tip everyone, but I am sure for many people AI means just that, ALL inclusive, no extra money required. If thats not the case they shouldn't call it AI to begin with.