Getting ready to remove the curfew?

[CristoRey]

I know what the word 'culture' means. Noisy behavior is the lack of culture. Crimes at night are not part of the culture either. Curfew helps a lot with both. So let's agree to disagree.

No doubt.
Unfortunately it's a package deal.
Same applies to every other developing
country I've ever lived in of which there
are many. The curfew has ruined, absolutely ruined thousands of people's lives down here and we won't get into the damage its done to these children and their broken education system. Not cool.

 

[Eugene_A]

The curfew has ruined, absolutely ruined thousands of people's lives down here and we won't get into the damage its done to these children and their broken education system. Not cool.

LOL. Please explain how exactly the 9 PM curfew affects the educational system. Are there classes after 9 PM? I did not hear about night shifts at schools in DR.

I see how it affects people who want to hang out in a colmadon, with loud music bothering the whole area, they get as drunk as they can there and then drive back home drunk at night. I'm glad that they can't do that with the curfew.

 

[Caonabo]

No doubt.
Unfortunately it's a package deal.
Same applies to every other developing
country I've ever lived in of which there
are many. The curfew has ruined, absolutely ruined thousands of people's lives down here and we won't get into the damage its done to these children and their broken education system. Not cool.

Agree to disagree, but the factoid on the children was the government limiting open schools.
Not the curfew.

 

[Caonabo]

LOL. Please explain how exactly the 9 PM curfew affects the educational system. Are there classes after 9 PM? I did not hear about night shifts at schools in DR.

I see how it affects people who want to hang out in a colmadon, with loud music bothering the whole area, they get as drunk as they can there and then drive back home drunk at night. I'm glad that they can't do that with the curfew.

Again, I agree with the substance of your assertion, but yes.....there WERE many evening adult educational courses that would usually run to roughly 9:30pm nationwide.
They were very important, and assisted many.

 

[CristoRey]

Agree to disagree, but the factoid on the children was the government limiting open schools.
Not the curfew.

I agree to disgree.
Enjoy the rest of your evening Gentleman.
I'm currently sitting here in Barrio Yeni Maria, Moca at friend's birthday party with abunch of loud ass drunk Dominicans... and I'm definitely going to enjoy the rest of mine.

 

[Caonabo]

I agree to disgree.
Enjoy the rest of your evening Gentleman.
I'm currently sitting here in Barrio Yeni Maria, Moca at friend's birthday party with abunch of loud ass drunk Dominicans... and I'm definitely going to enjoy the rest of mine.

Social Distance.
Wear your mask.
And wash your hands after using the loo.

 

[Caonabo]

 

[Eugene_A]

Again, I agree with the substance of your assertion, but yes.....there WERE many evening adult educational courses that would usually run to roughly 9:30pm nationwide.
They were very important, and assisted many.

I was replying to the post about 'ruined education for children'. Regarding adult educational courses, as I understand, they are shut down due to Covid, as well as day classes, not due to curfew, right? And, hypothetically, if they permit to run them again but only to 9 PM due to curfew, it's not a big deal, and everybody is granted 3 hours for transit back home.

My point is that the curfew, if it starts at 9 PM like now, with three additional hours for transit, is not ruining anything for normal people. Yes, some bar and colmadon owners are affected, but I don't feel sorry for them, because their businesses bring more harm (noise, etc) than good. I believe that street prostitutes, drug dealers, thieves and robbers are affected too, as well as all punks who lost the only fun they had in this life, to get drunk in some crappy place in a noisy company of other punks. Not a big loss to the whole society.

 

[Garyexpat]

What exact damage to the population the 9 PM curfew does? Please describe. Because most people in DR stay at home after 9 PM anyway. Most people who stay outside after 9 PM, just make unnecessary noise in the streets. People who have to work 24/7, like doctors, transportation, etc., have their permits to do so.

You only support my original statement that "you truly have no clue" writing this. I really don't mean to be disrespectful but it is obvious you do not know the Dominican/Latin culture. Yes you may have traveled to Latin countries, I'm currently in Colombia, which you mentioned because of the curfew in the D.R. Latinos like eating a late meal. My son's in-laws who live in a very nice area of S.D. are often out past nine visiting friends or having dinner and I used to go out past nine regularly when I was there. I was not making any unnecessary noise in the streets. I worked at least 6 days a week, long hours in the businesses I owned and sometimes THAT was the reason I was out late. I have had female doctor friends that, yes worked a ton but when they didn't have to be at work early the next morning they wanted to go out to a nice dinner and a club. I have been out with friends uncountable times after nine when i was living in S.D. and since in Santiago.
To get back to your first question about damage to the population a nine p.m. curfew does, it hurst many people that have made their living off these businesses. Plus when numerous restaurants go out of business that has a ripple effect on their supply line. There were also many businesses that survived off the swing shift and late night workers. Most small businesses survive on small margins so if you take away even 15% of their business they are in trouble. - Don't worry though, it hasn't hurt the big supermarket chains or banks as they have been able to cut employee hours while continuing to drive the same level of revenue. How many people working in Supermercado Nacional, Plaza Llama and ALL the banks do you think lost jobs over this???
I'm glad you are happy and content but many others are suffering.

 

[Garyexpat]

I was replying to the post about 'ruined education for children'. Regarding adult educational courses, as I understand, they are shut down due to Covid, as well as day classes, not due to curfew, right? And, hypothetically, if they permit to run them again but only to 9 PM due to curfew, it's not a big deal, and everybody is granted 3 hours for transit back home.

My point is that the curfew, if it starts at 9 PM like now, with three additional hours for transit, is not ruining anything for normal people. Yes, some bar and colmadon owners are affected, but I don't feel sorry for them, because their businesses bring more harm (noise, etc) than good. I believe that street prostitutes, drug dealers, thieves and robbers are affected too, as well as all punks who lost the only fun they had in this life, to get drunk in some crappy place in a noisy company of other punks. Not a big loss to the whole society.

Eugene, Can I respectfully ask where you come from? You seem to accept the Government controlling your life so easily I would think you come from an ex USSR nation and you grew up with this lack of individual rights and freedoms.
I am from the U.S. and lived in 8 different states before moving here the state moto that stuck with me more than any is from New Hampshire:

"Live Free or Die"

 

[Eugene_A]

Latinos like eating a late meal.

Good. Nobody will die if they eat their late meal at home.

 

[Eugene_A]

Eugene, Can I respectfully ask where you come from? You seem to accept the Government controlling your life so easily I would think you come from an ex USSR nation and you grew up with this lack of individual rights and freedoms.
I am from the U.S. and lived in 8 different states before moving here the state moto that stuck with me more than any is from New Hampshire:

"Live Free or Die"

I have been to 45 states in US, what freedom are you talking about, LOL? You can be arrested in US for so many things you say or do, I can't even count them all. I had so many situations when people called the cops when I said or did something that is now considered politically incorrect, and when cops threatened to arrest me for disturbing the peace.... There's much more freedom in Russia than in US now, not on paper but in real life. And even more freedom here in DR, you have the freedom to be as noisy as you want, throw garbage all around you and drive drunk at night. Is it that freedom that the government took away from you now?

Back to topic of this thread, this is the pandemic. If you compare DR shutdowns to Panama shutdowns during the last year, you understand that things could be much worse. In Panama, those shutdowns really ruined everything. In DR.... not that much.

And, I don't accept the Government to control my life. Is I said before, I did not go out after 9 PM in DR before Covid as well, because the only thing you can find here at night is unnecessary noise.

 

[Eugene_A]

I'm currently in Colombia

You're currently in Colombia, you see better what happens here from there? Because I am in DR now, and I see what happens here every day. Yes, it was a total mess with that 5 PM / 12 pm on weekends curfew before, but now with the 9 PM curfew with transit until midnight and 7 PM on weekends it doesn't ruin anything for normal people. And it did not come out of the blue with no reason.

 

[irishpaddy]

Vibrant nightlife atmosphere? Are you kidding me? Where? Honestly, I don't remember any 'nightlife' in Santo Domingo that was worth to leave home after dark. Before Covid, if I wanted some real nightlife, I used to take a flight to US, Panama or Colombia for a week or so, and then come back to DR until I want the next trip. In Santo Domingo all you can get at night is unnecessary noise and high beam headlights making you blind while driving.


Curfew made the streets around my place quiet and calm at night. I like it. If there are some bar owners suffering, there's a Government that is elected and paid to think and care about them, but I am not. I doubt that they think about me and my problems, why should I even think about them? If all bars and so–called nightclubs here will disappear, I will not even notice that. But for sure I notice that with the curfew there's no noise at night.


I bet that when they decide to remove the curfew, burglaries and noise at night will rise up that much that many citizens will ask Government to bring the curfew back.

so why not move permanently to US ,Panama or Colombia....why stay in this Hell Hole ?

 

[Russell]

Geese? Have you ever had geese before? They're beyond mean! lol

Yes back in NS I always had geese, great watch creatures... 12 of them.... delicious.... the trick is to get the geese at new gosling age so they are accustomed to owner.
Nasty little creatures.

 

[TropicalPaul]

You honestly think it has effected only dozens of business owners and "hundreds" of employees??? You truly have no clue. Oh yea, and by the way Santo Domingo is not the country. These shut downs have done much more damage to the population than the Wuhan Virus.

Exactly this. My friend sells very expensive watches in Punta Cana airport. Has a 4 year old child and a family member that he supports, previously he was earning 80,000 a month average. During the pandemic he was laid off, lived on 5000 a month. Ate once a day, some days just a couple of bananas. Back at work now but they have halved the commission structure (probably permanently), he's got loads of debts, his child had to go and live with its mother as there was no food. The last time I saw him he started telling me about it and burst out crying, a proud, grown man. And this is someone in Punta Cana, not Santo Domingo. And I hear the same story every day.

Maybe the issue is that Dominicans are used to living tougher lives than we are. People in the UK think that poverty means your iPhone is 2 years old and you can't pay the Netflix subscription.

 

[TropicalPaul]

What exact damage to the population the 9 PM curfew does? Please describe. Because most people in DR stay at home after 9 PM anyway. Most people who stay outside after 9 PM, just make unnecessary noise in the streets. People who have to work 24/7, like doctors, transportation, etc., have their permits to do so.

Let's make a list of everyone affected then.

Firstly, tourist numbers are way down, and a lot of this is because people hear the word "curfew" and don't want to come. So all tourist businesses are struggling. March is normally the busiest month of the year. So the hotels, the excursion companies, the souvenir shops.

The airports. Punta Cana used to have two terminals, one is completely shut at the moment. How many staff used to work there?

Restaurants can only offer a limited evening service, and remember that the weekend curfew is at 7pm, not 9pm, so evening meals on Saturday and Sunday, the busiest days, are gone.

Obviously nightclubs as they have to close by 9pm and 7pm, these are mainly closed and if they are open they are making maybe 20% of what they made before.

Taxi drivers who drive people to these venues

Anyone organising events or relying on events, so wedding companies, photographers, event locations.

And then work your way down the food chain. Companies that supply food and drinks to hotels in Punta Cana. Companies that offer transportation to staff who work in these hotels. Companies that supply chairs and tables for restaurants. Catering equipment suppliers.

And then think about all the tax that these companies used to pay and the effect on the economy of not having that tax available.

Think it through

 

[TropicalPaul]

I had dinner last night with a friend whose sister is a police officer. She is also saying that they are going to take away the curfew in the next few weeks. Evidently it's been agreed that the next step will be to take it away completely as any further relaxation would be an 11pm curfew with 2am libre transito, kind of pointless. And the numbers are getting better so it's just a question of when. The police and military are also evidently sick and tired of it and are putting a lot of pressure on government to take it away. So let's see.

 

[bob saunders]

What exact damage to the population the 9 PM curfew does? Please describe. Because most people in DR stay at home after 9 PM anyway. Most people who stay outside after 9 PM, just make unnecessary noise in the streets. People who have to work 24/7, like doctors, transportation, etc., have their permits to do so.

The problem isnt with the nine o'clock curfew it was with the previous more restrictive curfew, combined with restrictions on businesses.

 

[windeguy]

When people are vaccinated, they get a vaccination card. Are those cards entered into a computer data base?
I ask the question because I expect that data base will be one factor in when the curfews end.