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Haiti’s political crisis needs to be tackled by the international community, says expert
The languages the house cleaner I knew spoke were:
French
French creole
Spanish
English
How many languages does the individual being critical speak ❓
Where do they live❓
Even if they write off French creole that still leaves three useful languages does it not❓
I am waiting to read his scholarly articles that have been published in an academic journal.
Until then...
Meanwhile the subject of the irretrievably failed state in Haiti leads to beefed up police presence at the border:
dominicantoday.com
Dominican Republic deploys 7,200 troops on border in response to Haiti crisis
<p>Santo Domingo (EFE) – The Dominican Armed Forces have deployed 7,200 troops on the border with Haiti and so far this year have intercepted and returned more than 38,000 Haitians who illegally crossed the territorial division to the neighboring country, military sources said Friday. “If we...
dominicantoday.com
Think Samolia .. think at current status and future if drastic measures are not inplemented think Haiti.
May I ask why someone is so bereft of intellectual ability and knowledge on the government and people of Haiti that they repeat posts ❓
Post #47 has the same news article posted from Dominican Today as post #63
So, is post #63 considered a update of information ❓
So, simply an attempt by someone so desperate for attention that they need to continue to repeat themselves❓
Here is an actual news update:
Haiti's base starts with agriculture.
Post #47 has the same news article posted from Dominican Today as post #63
So, is post #63 considered a update of information ❓
So, simply an attempt by someone so desperate for attention that they need to continue to repeat themselves❓
Here is an actual news update:
Haiti - Agriculture : Signature of 5 cooperation projects for a total amount of US$ 2.15 million - HaitiLibre.com : Haiti news 7/7
On February 26, the Haitian State, represented by Patrix Sévère Minister of Agriculture and FAO Representative in Haiti José Luis Fernandez, signed 5 technical cooperation projects for a total amount of $ 2.15 million...
www.haitilibre.com
Haiti's base starts with agriculture.
I think it very wise for the DR to send all those troops to the border now in light of the chaos in Haiti. I expect that they will have to stay for quite a while and am not quite clear exactly WHERE they are deployed? The four LEGAL border crossings (Dajabon/Elias Pina/Jimani/Pedernales are already reasonably well guarded - as are the roads coming into them on the DR side. The mountains running down from north to south are going to be harder to patrol and even supply troops as there is little development and only scattered settlements. But it is a wise move considering the state of Haiti right now.
As to the article posted by Bob - that is certainly my experience with the Haitian community here in South Florida as well as what I know about Haitians in Haiti - It is an extremely patriarchal culture. Single woman are - well - rare - and at risk.. Any sort of foreign female - blans- had best be connected to a mission of some sort.. if they dare to live alone in the countryside they are often considered "loup garou" - a sort of werewolf - that brings bad luck to the community.
Education is most certainly the key - as well at the distinction in class - only about 15% or less - of the population there actually speaks French - which is the language in which the official news is printed. It was only under Aristide that Kreyole also became an official language, I believe. Certainly all Haitians speak Kreyole - while only those who can afford to send their children through secondary school - which is taught completely in French - will actually rise in either their society or the general world.
The immigrants into the DR who are there who speak the 3, 4, sometimes 5 (since Italian is an easy one after French and Spanish) and find easy employment in the tourist sector - are often able to afford the proper papers and even working visas into the DR. But the vast majority of Haitians can not. I would venture to guess that the vast majority of Haitians have no real identity papers at all. For years, the only sort of birth registry were the records kept by local Catholic Church.
Here is an article that I wrote about some of the educated undocumented workers in the DR-- it really broke my heart to meet these folks since Haiti has SUCH a need for this managerial educated class of people but there does not seem to be any way for them to earn a livelihood over there.
www.ipsnews.net
I agree with Nan that most of the Haitians that I met in the DR would have preferred to live in Haiti if they could make a living there.
The great mystery is always "WHY" they can't make a living there? There are so many complex reasons - history, etc - but - the ONE change that would mean the most to the future of Haiti would be allowing dual citizenship so that those who have emigrated (and their children) could vote. As I reflected on the two countries - this seemed to me the main difference between them in their recent years. In Haiti , the laws and constitution can not be changed as easily as in the DR. I am not sure where the Diaspora Vote issue is right now - it was certainly on the forefront of issues under Martelly. Now, of course, there really IS no government as JoMo is ruling by decree and the legislature rarely meets.
As to the article posted by Bob - that is certainly my experience with the Haitian community here in South Florida as well as what I know about Haitians in Haiti - It is an extremely patriarchal culture. Single woman are - well - rare - and at risk.. Any sort of foreign female - blans- had best be connected to a mission of some sort.. if they dare to live alone in the countryside they are often considered "loup garou" - a sort of werewolf - that brings bad luck to the community.
Education is most certainly the key - as well at the distinction in class - only about 15% or less - of the population there actually speaks French - which is the language in which the official news is printed. It was only under Aristide that Kreyole also became an official language, I believe. Certainly all Haitians speak Kreyole - while only those who can afford to send their children through secondary school - which is taught completely in French - will actually rise in either their society or the general world.
The immigrants into the DR who are there who speak the 3, 4, sometimes 5 (since Italian is an easy one after French and Spanish) and find easy employment in the tourist sector - are often able to afford the proper papers and even working visas into the DR. But the vast majority of Haitians can not. I would venture to guess that the vast majority of Haitians have no real identity papers at all. For years, the only sort of birth registry were the records kept by local Catholic Church.
Here is an article that I wrote about some of the educated undocumented workers in the DR-- it really broke my heart to meet these folks since Haiti has SUCH a need for this managerial educated class of people but there does not seem to be any way for them to earn a livelihood over there.
HAITI-DOMINICAN REPUBLIC: Solace in Solidarity
Elizabeth Eames Roebling and Auguste Cantave
I agree with Nan that most of the Haitians that I met in the DR would have preferred to live in Haiti if they could make a living there.
The great mystery is always "WHY" they can't make a living there? There are so many complex reasons - history, etc - but - the ONE change that would mean the most to the future of Haiti would be allowing dual citizenship so that those who have emigrated (and their children) could vote. As I reflected on the two countries - this seemed to me the main difference between them in their recent years. In Haiti , the laws and constitution can not be changed as easily as in the DR. I am not sure where the Diaspora Vote issue is right now - it was certainly on the forefront of issues under Martelly. Now, of course, there really IS no government as JoMo is ruling by decree and the legislature rarely meets.
A bit more on the difficulty that even the Haitian diaspora has in doing business in Haiti -https://www.wlrn.org/news/2015-08-03/dissing-the-diaspora-why-cant-haitian-expats-vote-in-sundays-haitian-elections
Many (some say most ) of the industrial leaders - (Apaid,Boulos- Group 184) are not even Haitian born but rather Middle Eastern - the entrepreneurial Lebanese. THE MOST successful business in Haiti is DIGICELL brought in by an industrious Irish man. That company revolutionized Haiti - really . They came in and actually CAMPED on the ground while putting up the towers - which really astonished the Haitians who had never seen Blans behaving so strangely.
Many (some say most ) of the industrial leaders - (Apaid,Boulos- Group 184) are not even Haitian born but rather Middle Eastern - the entrepreneurial Lebanese. THE MOST successful business in Haiti is DIGICELL brought in by an industrious Irish man. That company revolutionized Haiti - really . They came in and actually CAMPED on the ground while putting up the towers - which really astonished the Haitians who had never seen Blans behaving so strangely.
Our money changer was a Lebanese Haitian. I remember him well. He had a ton of security. He got shot in a robbery once and became ultra-cautious.
And yet they continue to do business there.
Help me out cause I am not a sophisticated investor.
Isn't the reason a business is in business is to make money ❓
Why would a business enter a failed state without hope in order to do that❓
Your man is going as hard in the paint as you can go‼️
Perhaps like Digicell they had little risk..................because they used OPM.
Haito Teleco morphed from a poorly run corruption ridden state enterprise into several other state/private partnerships. Digicell and its progeny were funded by the IFC a component of the World Bank.
Few companies will enter Haiti to fund anything using their own capital.............unless they want to send it to die............
Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
I am missing your point.
Even a unsophisticated investor knows return of principle is more important than return on principle.
Somebody took the risk.
All businesses that are successful in Haiti are funded by the worlds taxpayers ❓
I went to a "public" university in NYC, many Dominicans and Haitians. Haitians did MUCH better than Dominicans in general (Even my Dominican best friend, an A+ student who later became a successful engineer would say it).
You can have fantastic individuals that somehow always fail to make passing grade at self-government when taken as a group. Theirs seem to be such a case.
Notice that the same case is being increasingly the one of Venezuelans now with two decades of chavismo. The open question here is if Venezuelan dysfunctionality will go on in time as long as the Haitian one has had.
Let's face it.
Sitting in the command chair (military, business, government) is not easy.
Haiti is an especially tough case.
The point that I was making, as Bob said it, is that it isn't a Haitian trait to fail. By the way, most of them were US born (so were the Dominicans).
As much as people love to bash them, they are extremely hard workers.
Their government has failed its people big time is the understatement of the year. I also believe that foreigners/Missionaries haven't helped despite their best intention (if they ever had any, that is).
I know personally foreigners who made a shit tone of money "helping" Haiti and I even considered myself for a couple years (yeah, the money was THAT good).
Former Haitian Dictators and their extended family are chilling in the South of France, living a life of luxury with no worries. Why change ?
On the other hand i hired a housekeeper on good recommendation of friend who spoke neither french , Spanish nor English...only creole.
Nova Scotia Acadiand have an ability to understand creole.
Then one day she dissapeared.
I think that Boulos- and others - was actually born in Haiti - And my observations about the Lebanese was simply based on personal observation - they are very good traders - and adventurers (in the best sense) and have been emigrating for years -
And many have family connections that go back many, many years
en.wikipedia.org
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Boulos
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And one wealthy Palestinian - noted for his support of Aristide - and - well - assassinated - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Izméry
And many have family connections that go back many, many years
André Apaid - Wikipedia
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Boulos
Gilbert Bigio - Wikipedia
Charles-Henri Baker - Wikipedia
Daniel Rouzier - Wikipedia
Jerry Tardieu - Wikipedia
And one wealthy Palestinian - noted for his support of Aristide - and - well - assassinated - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Izméry
Somehow the DR has been better at making the Lebanese/Syrians here actually give a toss about the country they live in.I think that Boulos- and others - was actually born in Haiti - And my observations about the Lebanese was simply based on personal observation - they are very good traders - and adventurers (in the best sense) and have been emigrating for years -
And many have family connections that go back many, many years
André Apaid - Wikipedia
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Boulos
Gilbert Bigio - Wikipedia
Charles-Henri Baker - Wikipedia
Daniel Rouzier - Wikipedia
Jerry Tardieu - Wikipedia
And one wealthy Palestinian - noted for his support of Aristide - and - well - assassinated - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Izméry
I would suggest that the family backgrounds of almost ALL of the Haitians in the US - their basic education level - may indeed be higher than that of the Dominicans. Perhaps not their "on paper" credentials so much as the value that they place on education, the importance on book learning, the discipline they instill in their children to study. Just speculation...