Illnesses & Deaths at DR Hotels

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ljmesg

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The point was clearly made within my posting. You fail to see it.
Right, the 4 people you know that have canceled trips to Punta Cana and booked at other locations have made up for the 1000's of room night cancellations in Punta Cana and the greater DR this year.

Your point is imbecilic.
 
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danely18

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I find it improbable that people afraid of all this, would switch from Punta Cana to any other Dominican destination deeming it safer somehow when some reports were from SD and North Coast. If you are an AI sort of vacationer I think you'd be likely to just switch destinations to another country.
 
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SKY

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I was on a Southwest plane from Ft. Lauderdale to Punta Cana a few days ago. The plane holds about 180 people. There were 65 people on board. Last time I took this flight before the problems surfaced it was full.

But I still think come Thanksgiving thinks will prick up a lot. Maybe not as much as last year, but sustainable for the region.
 
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Caonabo

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Right, the 4 people you know that have canceled trips to Punta Cana and booked at other locations have made up for the 1000's of room night cancellations in Punta Cana and the greater DR this year.

Your point is imbecilic.

Allow me to break this down in simplistic terms for you.....

For starters, go back and run through my posting #'s 1558, 1563, 1574, and 1599, within this thread line.

I did not say I knew 6 people who relocated holidays, you did.

I did not say I knew 4 people who relocated holidays, you did.

I did say I knew several people who relocated holidays.

Since, I have come across a few others, after asking further, the numbers have increased slightly.

Now, when I say I know these people, this is exactly what I mean. I KNOW them. They are REAL. They are not made up persons. They are not made up bodies. They are not made up statistics. I personally know them.

Furthermore, I count these people as the persons who organized the actual reservations that they followed through upon. How many other persons were within their party varied, and still does vary.

There was a gentleman from Cheyenne, Wyoming US of A, who arrived solo.

There was a couple from Buenos Aires, Argentina. They were 2 persons.

There was an associate from Santiago, Chile. He was part of a group of 5 persons.

There was an art professor from Madrid, Spain, with a group of 17 students.

The list goes on.

So again, as I stated previously, I KNOW of SEVERAL people who were either solo, as part of a couple, or part of groups that relocated their respective holidays from Punta Cana/Eastern Region to OTHER points WITHIN RD. They did not abandon the country.

If you do your sort of mathematical analysis in real time, add the persons I KNOW, with the persons in their group, more the number of nights they respectively stayed on holiday for (ranging from 4 nights to 3 weeks)...……
and voilà you suddenly have 100's of room nights indeed utilized in other parts of the RD, by persons I know of, as opposed to the 10's of thousands of room nights cancelled as you allege through the "I have heard"..."I know people" myths, accentuated by your hysteric descriptives "staggering" and "decimating.

Imbecilic is, as imbecilic does. Enjoy your night.
 
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Caonabo

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I was on a Southwest plane from Ft. Lauderdale to Punta Cana a few days ago. The plane holds about 180 people. There were 65 people on board. Last time I took this flight before the problems surfaced it was full.

But I still think come Thanksgiving thinks will prick up a lot. Maybe not as much as last year, but sustainable for the region.

I believe Southwest Airlines is one of those discounted budget types of carriers. You have stated in the past you have real connections within the airline industry. Any reports of real numbers as they account for arrivals at SDQ, STI, and POP in the period since these incidents occurred?
 
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Caonabo

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I find it improbable that people afraid of all this, would switch from Punta Cana to any other Dominican destination deeming it safer somehow when some reports were from SD and North Coast. If you are an AI sort of vacationer I think you'd be likely to just switch destinations to another country.

If you were set to see visit New York City on holiday, and had reservations with the Mandarin Oriental when/if problems arose, would you automatically nullify the Bellagio Las Vegas as an alternative destination? Large hotel. Same country. Different region.
 
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USA DOC

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...As I have said before here ,if you avoid the majestic resorts in PC...they have 3.. mirage, elegance(where most of this started)and Colonial all next to each other and with same owners...you will have a better visit to Punta Cana...if you are thinking I have a axe to grind with these people you are right...2 years after my stay at the majestic mirage when they ruined my vacation on the first night, and the 3 managers made me many promises and more promises...I am still waiting for them to deliver...these people do not tell the truth , then and now...…...Doc...……..
 
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dulce

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My niece and her husband are going to Hard Rock in Punta Cana in November. They are going with a group of 40 other people. They booked their trip long before any of the news of deaths. She told me that at first she was ready to cancel right away. Since then she has calmed down and is excited to be going. They have been to Punta Cana in the past and loved it.
The other 40 people they met while on vacation at Hard Rock Cancun.
I told her to always stay with other people and do not drink from the mini bar in the room.
 
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SKY

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They took out the liquor in the Mini Bars in the HR. They will be fine now there. Go to ZEN and eat at the tables where they cook. Avoid the Italian and Isla though. Food is not good there. The Brazilian is usually pretty good to eat at also.
 
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dulce

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They took out the liquor in the Mini Bars in the HR. They will be fine now there. Go to ZEN and eat at the tables where they cook. Avoid the Italian and Isla though. Food is not good there. The Brazilian is usually pretty good to eat at also.

Thanks for the heads up SKY. I will pass along the info.
 
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bronzeallspice

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Still waiting on toxicology results from FBI:

"Right now, hoteliers and resort owners who operate in the Dominican Republic are waiting on toxicology results from the FBI for two of the deaths that caused some of the more sensationalized consumer media headlines. (According to Del Peon, the Dominican Republic Government has proof that none of the deaths were caused by tainted alcohol, but they are waiting on the FBI.)"

Read More:https://www.travelmarketreport.com/...aused-by-Media-Coverage-of-Dominican-Republic
 
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Cdn_Gringo

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Those tests and that report have long since been completed. The report I am sure has been in the hands of the DR Govt for awhile as they are the one's who requested US toxicology testing via the FBI.

One might assume that the report(s) found nothing untoward that constitutes a risk to American tourists (or tourists in general) requiring immediate corrective action or that poses a continuing substantial risk. As such these reports will not be released since the DR Govt has no interest in ever bringing up the topic of those deaths ever again. Since there is no identifiable ongoing risk, the FBI doesn't see the need to release a communique of their own.

For the time being it seems, heart attack due to pulmonary edema remains the go to explanation for any tourist/foreigner who happens to die while in the DR.
 
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Caonabo

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Still waiting on toxicology results from FBI:

"Right now, hoteliers and resort owners who operate in the Dominican Republic are waiting on toxicology results from the FBI for two of the deaths that caused some of the more sensationalized consumer media headlines. (According to Del Peon, the Dominican Republic Government has proof that none of the deaths were caused by tainted alcohol, but they are waiting on the FBI.)"

Read More:https://www.travelmarketreport.com/...aused-by-Media-Coverage-of-Dominican-Republic

Where is all the feigned outrage towards the FBI now?
There certainly was much towards RD in May and June of this year.
Any DNA from El Watusi lurking around Punta Cana in the middle of the night?
 
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the gorgon

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Where is all the feigned outrage towards the FBI now?
There certainly was much towards RD in May and June of this year.
Any DNA from El Watusi lurking around Punta Cana in the middle of the night?

seems like it is all quiet on the western front. maybe the beaten woman is lobbying to get on to some reality show any time soon...

is Jerry Springer still filming?
 
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keepcoming

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seems like it is all quiet on the western front. maybe the beaten woman is lobbying to get on to some reality show any time soon...

is Jerry Springer still filming?

Having never walked in her shoes, not sure I would be so sure to disregard this or make a joke of it. Sometimes silence is best.
 
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keepcoming

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The joke is her interpretation of the events and her pursuit of a shake down

Do you know her? Were you there? Are you privy to some info no one has? Or is this just your opinion. Who knows what happened, however it is irresponsible to just assume she is lying or fabricating a story. Shake downs, there are shake downs everyday, casinos, resorts, restaurants, etc... doesn't mean it did not happen.
 
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Caonabo

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The complete text of the link within posting #1638, as provided by the poster Polar Bear. This enforces what many stated early on during the hysteric period for many.

By Gina Martinez September 13, 2019

Dominican Republic Announces New Safety Measures After Deaths of 11 American Tourists.....

Officials from the Dominican Republic gathered in New York City, along with the U.S. Ambassador, on Thursday to announce new safety measures months after 11 American tourists died in several resorts there last spring.
Javier Garcia, the Dominican Republic’s Minister of Tourism, told reporters at the Four Seasons Hotel in Manhattan that these new safety measures were put in place to specifically address safety at resorts that were at the center of the coverage.
The measures introduced include reinforcing mandates that require emergency information and the availability of 911 in every guest room, and a new emergency tourist center in Bávaro in Punta Cana, where multi-lingual specialists can communicate with tourists and their families.

The Ministry of Tourism also announced that it partnered with Ecolab, a United States-based water, hygiene and energy technology lab to provide training and certification to all Department of Tourism Services and Companies inspectors.
Garcia also announced that an additional 4,000 agents have been hired for both the tourist security agency and the national police, and that 3,000 more public security cameras have been installed.

U.S Ambassador to the Dominican Republican Robin Bernstein said that an “unfounded negative campaign” contributed to a “tourism crisis” on the island, and pointedly noted that the U.S. State Department has maintained a level-two advisory to the Dominican Republic — similar to that of countries including Spain, Denmark, and Belgium.
“American tourists should feel safe and secure,” she said. “I am totally comfortable with safety level, it is one of the safest tourist destinations I have ever visited. In fact, it has now become an even safer place to come because of the initiatives.”
Bernstein also specifically addressed reports that tainted alcohol led to the deaths, noting that if there were a problem with alcohol there would be far more reports of deaths.

“If it was alcohol people would be dropping like flies,” Bernstein said. “It is not alcohol.”
Earlier this year there were multiple high-profile cases involving American tourists who died while staying in the Dominican Republic. Seven deaths have been attributed to tourists becoming ill and dying of health-related issues. The FBI is still conducting toxicology tests in three specific cases and has not yet released the results.
According to the State Department, there has been no evidence of foul play and no sign that the deaths are connected.
Before the measures were announced, Garcia took the time to lambast the news media, saying the coverage of the deaths of the American tourists was overblown and aimed to damage the Dominican Republic’s stellar reputation as a “model” tourist country.

The State Dept. confirmed that in 2018, 13 U.S. citizens died while traveling to the Dominican Republic; the number was 17 in 2017. More than 2.7 million U.S. tourists visited the island in 2017, making the island the fourth-most popular travel destination for Americans.

Garcia later said “the damage is done” from the slew of reports that focused on the island, but that Dominican Republic officials are still committed to fixing their image, with their main focus now being on the truth.
According to InSight Crime’s 2018 Homicide Round-Up, statistics show that the Dominican Republic recorded 10.4 homicides per 100,000 people –– compared to 81.4 in Venezuela, 25 in Mexico and 11.7 in Costa Rica.
https://time.com/5676460/safety-measures-dominican-republic/