Immigration: Upon further review--good and bad news

rafael

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Is there a limit to 60 day entries? Or a total amount of days per year? I "live" here but in reality I live on the road. I just got here from 25 day trip and leave sunday for a week in CR. I am rarely here over 15 days, usually 7 or less. Maybe once for over 30 days. 60 days? Never.

I will also hopefully be married to a dominican, so things may change.
 

aarhus

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LOL Scroll down to the North American list.

I can stay in Cuba for 90 days but not the DR. Interesting.

Visa requirements for Canadian citizens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But to stay in Cuba for 6 months you would have to leave once for Cancun for instance and come back next day. You cant buy property but you can rent. An option for some snowbirds. Seems odd that in some cases Cuba is now easier than the dr. I know of many expats who came from Cuba to dr about 5-10 years ago because Cuba made it harder there for expats and the dr was so much more attractive because you could live here as a tourist and see how you liked it and then apply for residency.
 

aarhus

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Is there a limit to 60 day entries? Or a total amount of days per year? I "live" here but in reality I live on the road. I just got here from 25 day trip and leave sunday for a week in CR. I am rarely here over 15 days, usually 7 or less. Maybe once for over 30 days. 60 days? Never.

I will also hopefully be married to a dominican, so things may change.

According to one post by Pichardo I believe you would have used up your quota for a year after 6 months stay and then would have to wait until next year. It is like that in Brazil I have heard. But is this at all addressed in the law.
 

sweetdbt

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Still lots and lots of questions and not many answers.

It seems that there is pressure from lawyer's groups to extend the amnesty period, to be more flexible to be more of a lot of things.

For example, a US citizen can stay here without a visa. Don't know why, but that is one thing I was told.

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No surprise Dominican lawyers don't like this. Based on what I have read on the websites of US Dominican counsulates, the application for the residency visa includes submission and approval of basically all of the required documents for residency, and there is not really that much to do on arrival in the country. It would seem to me that DR lawyers will actually be losing a lot of $$ they have been collecting for expediting the process in the DR, which IMHO has always been a ripoff, since they are basically just submitting the documents provided by the client along with a few forms Everyone bends over and takes it though, because if you try to do it yourself you are stonewalled, even if you have everything in order. I can also forsee this being a huge mess at the counsulates, as this process alone will probably at least double their total work load.
 

Matilda

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I can also forsee this being a huge mess at the counsulates, as this process alone will probably at least double their total work load.

The Dominican embassy in the UK knows nothing about it. More work will mean less time for cocktail parties. Shame!

Matilda
 

aarhus

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No surprise Dominican lawyers don't like this. Based on what I have read on the websites of US Dominican counsulates, the application for the residency visa includes submission and approval of basically all of the required documents for residency, and there is not really that much to do on arrival in the country. It would seem to me that DR lawyers will actually be losing a lot of $$ they have been collecting for expediting the process in the DR, which IMHO has always been a ripoff, since they are basically just submitting the documents provided by the client along with a few forms Everyone bends over and takes it though, because if you try to do it yourself you are stonewalled, even if you have everything in order. I can also forsee this being a huge mess at the counsulates, as this process alone will probably at least double their total work load.

I remember been given the advice at immigration here that I better get a lawyer. Are they going to hand out a list of lawyers to contact in the dr at the consulates.
 

Barnabe

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I can and have gone to the US as a tourist for 5 months, no qusetions asked. I can do this in the US but not the DR. LOL

1) Don't you need a visa if you stay over 90 days in the US?
2) A Dominican cannot enter the US (or Shengen countries in Europe) without visa. We still can freely visit the DR as we wish.

The new immigration laws appears to be a pain in the neck for many long stayers. My personal opinion is that it's not that bad that people from the first world be also confronted to a stupid immigration law. Millions of immigrants have to deal permanently with such laws in our rich countries. Bienvenue au club.

And yes, I am sorry for the foreigners now having to go back home to apply residency.

Barnab?
 

AlterEgo

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Also question for Pichardo or anyone can you get your birth certificate translated and notarised here in the DR as well as your single status document? I have been trying to find this out for a few days?

Only your birth country can certify/apostile your birth certificate. Dominican NY Embassy told me I have to bring my documents to them for translation, before going to DR.
 

cobraboy

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It would seem to me that DR lawyers will actually be losing a lot of $$ they have been collecting for expediting the process in the DR, which IMHO has always been a ripoff, since they are basically just submitting the documents provided by the client along with a few forms Everyone bends over and takes it though, because if you try to do it yourself you are stonewalled, even if you have everything in order.
Trying to do it yourself is an exercise in futility. I'd be surprised if even 10% can get it done DIY.

BTW, I agree about the Consulate logjam. Most consulate jobs are do-nothing patronage jobs.
 

aarhus

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Trying to do it yourself is an exercise in futility. I'd be surprised if even 10% can get it done DIY.

BTW, I agree about the Consulate logjam. Most consulate jobs are do-nothing patronage jobs.

I was also happy to use a lawyer. My lawyer did a very good job.
 

Expat13

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Theres a great profession that any no mind can do. Sit through the 4 years of law school in the DR, maybe show up half the time, sleep thru the rest, make sure the teachers like you (hint hint propinas) pass, get the degree, also do whats required to be notary as well. Now you will have a law degree but with now real skill to practice, but wait!
Set up office, providing inexpensive notary services and foreign residencies....Then you hire a few runners to escort your clients thru the immigrations process which is brainless and sit back at your desk watching TV while notarizing documents for 1000dop a pop.
 

windeguy

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1) Don't you need a visa if you stay over 90 days in the US?
2) A Dominican cannot enter the US (or Shengen countries in Europe) without visa. We still can freely visit the DR as we wish.

The new immigration laws appears to be a pain in the neck for many long stayers. My personal opinion is that it's not that bad that people from the first world be also confronted to a stupid immigration law. Millions of immigrants have to deal permanently with such laws in our rich countries. Bienvenue au club.

And yes, I am sorry for the foreigners now having to go back home to apply residency.

Barnab?

As long as you don't care about the money people from the first world are spending in your country.
 

sweetdbt

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I was also happy to use a lawyer. My lawyer did a very good job.

I'm happy for you. My point was not that people shouldn't use lawyers when applying for residency, or even that they are not needed, but rather that they SHOULD not be needed for what are really very cut and dry procedures which most competent people could handle themselves. The sad fact is that the role of the lawyer has been institutionalized into the system, and the very same documents which are usually rejected when submitted by the individual are accepted from a lawyer.
 

windeguy

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I'm happy for you. My point was not that people shouldn't use lawyers when applying for residency, or even that they are not needed, but rather that they SHOULD not be needed for what are really very cut and dry procedures which most competent people could handle themselves. The sad fact is that the role of the lawyer has been institutionalized into the system, and the very same documents which are usually rejected when submitted by the individual are accepted from a lawyer.

Yes that is an excellent point. I applied for two people who received residency in the US. I did not use a lawyer nor am I one myself. No corruption, no graft involved. Just forms to fill out and submit with the proper fee. Don't expect that here.
 
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Pichardo,

You implied in your posts from today that you have access to "powers that be" and can have voices of expats on DR1 heard by them in Re: immigration rules. You also write that the rule is currently "fluid" as expressed a lot by you.

If that is true, why don't you please suggest to them that they allow for some kind of amnesty/adjustment of status under old rules for people who entered under the old rules, paying a fee/fine even a double or triple visa fee (which is $100 now) would get people gladly pay it.

You mention a lot USA, but USA indeed does have ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS possibility in-country. You know that well. Almost in any country can do adjustment of status in-country, in some by paying additional fees in some no additional fees involved. But DR would be exception rather than rule to the AOS procedures in international migration scene (e.g. visa first requirement).

There are many good folks who simply cannot travel home because for example they are needed in business they run where they EMPLOY Dominicans. They also need to support their families. A month-long vacation (or more) to a home country might just not be feasible. Not for them, not for their families, not for their businesses.

I would consider even a regular AOS (adjustment of status) program might be a feasible vehicle and even a cash cow for the government. We have to understand that so far many people were advised on DR1 to just come in. Many have 5+ or even over 10+ years living here w/o official residency (I know at last of one regular DR1 poster with 15+ years) and supporting Dominican society in many ways and going the VISA route is just not that feasible. An amnesty period, for example a 30-day window, to submit all documents for foreigners already in-country, paying a 100, 200, or even 300 dollar fee for AOS would be great option, and would certainly take care of many issues these people are facing now.

If you can get these voices heard, and suggestions and ideas presented, it would be great and appreciated in advance.

Regards,
George
 

Hillbilly

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Rubio-Hig?ey/George: that seems to be an excellent idea. And it would solve so many problems.

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mido

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A friend of mine went to the immigration HQ in Santo Domingo yesterday to extend his stay as tourist for another 3 months without a problem. He is here now for more than a year!