Is it just me or are you nervous about taking the chinese vaccine

[william webster]

Johnny Boy

100% effective at lesser impact of Covid after 2 doses - no hospitalization, etc
Basically Zero side effects

A long list - I have gleaned info here & there over the past few weeks
Cite them for you ?
No- Sorry.

I satisfied myself - it may not satisfy you
We're all different

 

[windeguy]

I have been looking but I don't find the soooo much positive info you speak of. I say that because I am disappointed, not because I have something against get a vaccine from China. I am sure many of the meds I have been taking in the past were made in China

Brazil, for example, reported 70+ effectiveness. Then more recently it was reported Brazil did not include people with minor illness and when they were included the effectiveness dropped to 50.4

Although it was approved for older people by China's medical board, even China said very over 65 were included in its evaluations.

I got the first dose on Saturday and will get the second April 7 because I believe it is better than nothing. But I am not fooling myself into believing it is one of the best and will be getting something else as soon as this is possible.

The important numbers to look at for me are how many people became severely ill or died after getting a given vaccine. Surviving with no long term negative effects.

Sinovac seems to have done very well on those issues if you believe what is written. So look again, but for those numbers. All of the other vaccines currently approved in my home country and also the Astra Zeneca vaccine which is being refused by many in the EU are very good at preventing death and severe disease.

 

[johne]

Johnny Boy

100% effective at lesser impact of Covid after 2 doses - no hospitalization, etc
Basically Zero side effects

A long list - I have gleaned info here & there over the past few weeks
Cite them for you ?
No- Sorry.

I satisfied myself - it may not satisfy you
We're all different

Very true .

 

[william webster]

The problem w/ the other vaccines is that they are so new.... untried.
It may be months or years before the long term effects are known.....

Lots to gamble on there - if you choose

Lots of pros/cons here -

Google Search

 

[CristoRey]

If someone decides not get vaccinated that is his or her decision. They will live with it, or maybe die with it....................................

And possibly even get a few freaks sick along the way. Damn those evil super spreaders... I heard Ahn Vee up in Sosua was poppin again last Friday night. They can't be stopped so those living their lives in fear need to get in line to get poked as soon as possible otherwise they may end up as the unfortunate subject of a DR1 thread someday. CCP gave us the virus now they're giving yall the cure. Ask yourself, are you really ok with what they've done?

 

[Kricke87]

It all comes down to trust, and to some degree what is reasonably logical. I'm not a believer of conspiracy theories, flat earth or anything, I'm just saying this so that nobody thinks that I do believe in that with what I'm about to write.
How do we know ANYTHING? For example, have ANYONE here in this forum, actually seen that the earth is a globe with their own eyes? I've not, I've only seen the pictures in school and on the Internet. And obviously, there IS NO WAY for ANYONE making fake photos(Sarcasm). Or how does anybody know that for example Columbus actually existed? Because someone in a book wrote the history? Well NOBODY has ever written anything fake(sarcasm).
So how do we "know" these things? How do we know that the Earth isn't flat? Because it's logical (I won't go into the scientific discussion and all that). There are some things in life you just have to trust when it is reasonable and logical.
So how can we be sure that the vaccines are "safe"?
Well, we can't, we just have trust that it's the most reasonable and logical thing to trust that the actually do more good than harm.
And just as some others have commented already. Where do you think other vaccines have been manufactured? Wouldn't be so surprised if vaccines "Made in the US or in Europa" was developed in those parts, but manufactured in factories in India or chine (because of the labour costs).
And also suggesting that you should distrust China more just because it's China, just seems a bit racist. Why should you trust the Chinese government more than for example US/Europe? Is there any "proof" that the Chinese government lie more/less than US/Europe governments?
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
This is not only true for "3rd world" countries, but for ALL men who have power.
And just as a sidenote.
If you weren't aware of it, anytime you take any new medicine, even if it has been around for decades, you are still a guineapig. Because we are all different, so just because 1 billion people using a certain medication has never had a side effect, it doesn't mean that YOU won't. You just have to outweigh the benefits vs the risks.
And it wouldn't surprise me that although it is a personal choice to take the COVID vaccine or not, if you've not taken it when you'd had a chance and then later gets sick with COVID, the health/government officials, will just say: "Sorry, we won't treat you, you had your chance of getting the vaccine, so now you have to face the consequences". That or any other absurd policies.

 

[johne]

It all comes down to trust, and to some degree what is reasonably logical. I'm not a believer of conspiracy theories, flat earth or anything, I'm just saying this so that nobody thinks that I do believe in that with what I'm about to write.
How do we know ANYTHING? For example, have ANYONE here in this forum, actually seen that the earth is a globe with their own eyes? I've not, I've only seen the pictures in school and on the Internet. And obviously, there IS NO WAY for ANYONE making fake photos(Sarcasm). Or how does anybody know that for example Columbus actually existed? Because someone in a book wrote the history? Well NOBODY has ever written anything fake(sarcasm).
So how do we "know" these things? How do we know that the Earth isn't flat? Because it's logical (I won't go into the scientific discussion and all that). There are some things in life you just have to trust when it is reasonable and logical.
So how can we be sure that the vaccines are "safe"?
Well, we can't, we just have trust that it's the most reasonable and logical thing to trust that the actually do more good than harm.
And just as some others have commented already. Where do you think other vaccines have been manufactured? Wouldn't be so surprised if vaccines "Made in the US or in Europa" was developed in those parts, but manufactured in factories in India or chine (because of the labour costs).
And also suggesting that you should distrust China more just because it's China, just seems a bit racist. Why should you trust the Chinese government more than for example US/Europe? Is there any "proof" that the Chinese government lie more/less than US/Europe governments?
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
This is not only true for "3rd world" countries, but for ALL men who have power.
And just as a sidenote.
If you weren't aware of it, anytime you take any new medicine, even if it has been around for decades, you are still a guineapig. Because we are all different, so just because 1 billion people using a certain medication has never had a side effect, it doesn't mean that YOU won't. You just have to outweigh the benefits vs the risks.
And it wouldn't surprise me that although it is a personal choice to take the COVID vaccine or not, if you've not taken it when you'd had a chance and then later gets sick with COVID, the health/government officials, will just say: "Sorry, we won't treat you, you had your chance of getting the vaccine, so now you have to face the consequences". That or any other absurd policies.

"Absurd " as in "Mask or no mask Buddy you're not flying on this airline". That is what frighten me the most. It would kill me if they clipped my wings.

 

[Cdn_Gringo]

People prefer to think in absolutes. The earth is round, the sky is blue, cookies taste good. When it comes to topics that most people don't know or do not completely understand we can lose our way and latch onto those aspects of the narrative that we can most easily grasp. I choose to believe the numbers that suggest the Chinese Sinovac is not all that effective in preventing one from catching Covid but I do tend to take stock in that the vaccine can make getting sick less of an all assault on the body and hopefully even make it easier for the body to fight off the infection even if the patient has health issues that put them at greater risk. Thus for me, getting the Sinovac is the only logical choice because I want the benefit of any protection I can get and I want that protection as soon as is possible. Since the Chinese vaccine is all that is available wishing for a different vaccine is just that a preference that is not at this time realistically possible. Holding out for the possibility of getting something different is not guaranteed and compromises my goals of doing anything I can to mitigate the disease. I think it is pretty widely accepted that just about everyone is going to come into contact with this virus sooner or later so doing something about that eventuality sooner rather than later makes more sense to me than holding out and hedging my bets on something else or getting sick without having done anything. I have already been pushing my luck for a year now. I do not want to get sick with CV19 but it looks like I probably will at some point - law of averages, so I hope that getting vaccinated with the only available choice right now is a real benefit to me and my wife. Even if this vaccine is not perfect, as long as it doesn't make the situation worse or is completely ineffective is my point. I still plan to be careful when I am around other people, but since I can't avoid all contact all the time, I have to compromise and make the best, most logical choice available to me before I get sick.

My real goal here is to avoid the need to be admitted to a hospital. The symptoms of CV19 may still make me wish I was dead, But I do not want that to become the reality. If the Sinovac can mitigate serious illness by the published 83% that is much better than the 50.3 % prevention rate and much better than nothing at all.

 

[Gadfly]

I’m not nervous I’m gonna get the China jab

 

[Kricke87]

People prefer to think in absolutes. The earth is round, the sky is blue, cookies taste good. When it comes to topics that most people don't know or do not completely understand we can lose our way and latch onto those aspects of the narrative that we can most easily grasp. I choose to believe the numbers that suggest the Chinese Sinovac is not all that effective in preventing one from catching Covid but I do tend to take stock in that the vaccine can make getting sick less of an all assault on the body and hopefully even make it easier for the body to fight off the infection even if the patient has health issues that put them at greater risk. Thus for me, getting the Sinovac is the only logical choice because I want the benefit of any protection I can get and I want that protection as soon as is possible. Since the Chinese vaccine is all that is available wishing for a different vaccine is just that a preference that is not at this time realistically possible. Holding out for the possibility of getting something different is not guaranteed and compromises my goals of doing anything I can to mitigate the disease. I think it is pretty widely accepted that just about everyone is going to come into contact with this virus sooner or later so doing something about that eventuality sooner rather than later makes more sense to me than holding out and hedging my bets on something else or getting sick without having done anything. I have already been pushing my luck for a year now. I do not want to get sick with CV19 but it looks like I probably will at some point - law of averages, so I hope that getting vaccinated with the only available choice right now is a real benefit to me and my wife. Even if this vaccine is not perfect, as long as it doesn't make the situation worse or is completely ineffective is my point. I still plan to be careful when I am around other people, but since I can't avoid all contact all the time, I have to compromise and make the best, most logical choice available to me before I get sick.

My real goal here is to avoid the need to be admitted to a hospital. The symptoms of CV19 may still make me wish I was dead, But I do not want that to become the reality. If the Sinovac can mitigate serious illness by the published 83% that is much better than the 50.3 % prevention rate and much better than nothing at all.

I totally agree.
Do I think this will give me protection against getting COVID? Maybe, but that's not the entire point.
Do I think masks work? Maybe, but that's not the entire point.
What does it cost me wearing a mask? What does it cost me getting a vaccine that I don't know is effective or not?
What does it cost me NOT wearing a mask? What does it cost me NOT getting a vaccine?
Well, what does it cost me wearing a mask, well I have to buy it, and yes it's a bit uncomfortable, but if it is in fact effective, then I don't see any reason why NOT to use a mask. But what does it cost me NOT wearing a mask? Well I have a higher risk of catching the virus and getting sick, so although not really sure if masks actually work, I'd prefer to wear a mask when in public spaces as the potential benefits weigh more than not using one.
The same applies to the vaccine. If I do NOTHING, then I'm at risk of catching the virus and maybe be sick. Although I'm only 34 and should not become very ill if I get sick, this is kind of a lottery, you don't know how sick you get until you get it, and I'd rather stay healthy then risk even dying.
What will the effect of the vaccine have on me? Don't know, we are all different, until now I've not had any secondary effects when taking ANY kind of medicine or vaccine, so I hope that would be the same. So the potential benefits weigh more than not taking the vaccine.
Hopefully, when it gets to me and my wife's turn, there might not be necessary, but if I get to take the vaccine I will.

 

[Meemselle]

A quote from Dr. Anthony Fauci in this week's The Atlantic: "We’ll all be better off, and this nightmare will be over sooner, if people know that the best vaccine of all is whichever one they can get the soonest."

 

[SKY]

Fully-vaccinated people can gather without masks, CDC says​

Fully vaccinated people can gather without masks, CDC says

NEW YORK (AP) — Fully vaccinated Americans can gather with other vaccinated people indoors without wearing a mask or social distancing, according to long-awaited guidance from federal health officials.

apnews.com

 

[Ken]

The important numbers to look at for me are how many people became severely ill or died after getting a given vaccine. Surviving with no long term negative effects.

Sinovac seems to have done very well on those issues if you believe what is written. So look again, but for those numbers. All of the other vaccines currently approved in my home country and also the Astra Zeneca vaccine which is being refused by many in the EU are very good at preventing death and severe disease.

i don't regret getting the Sinovac vaccine, it is much better than nothing. And if it keeps me from dying or getting hospitalized, then it will have done what I hoped. But I am not going to say there is soooo much good stuff written about it, and that is all I was calling attention to.

Regarding the validity of the numbers or claims for any of the vaccines , all must be taken with a grain of salt. they are all being given with emergency authorization which means they were rushed into use in the hope of slowing the pandemic and none of gone through the rigorous testing that is a normal part of the process. Small samples and few elderly people (the group needing protection the most) in the samples is one of of limits for all of them

As we say here, vamos a ver.

 

[CristoRey]

i don't regret getting the Sinovac vaccine, it is much better than nothing. And if it keeps me from dying or getting hospitalized, then it will have done what I hoped. But I am not going to say there is soooo much good stuff written about it, and that is all I was calling attention to.

Regarding the validity of the numbers or claims for any of the vaccines , all must be taken with a grain of salt. they are all being given with emergency authorization which means they were rushed into use in the hope of slowing the pandemic and none of gone through the rigorous testing that is a normal part of the process. Small samples and few elderly people (the group needing protection the most) in the samples is one of of limits for all of them

As we say here, vamos a ver.

I'm gonna wait four or five years and check back see how those who've been vaccinated are doing
then I'll make my decision. Not being able to fly without being vaccinated isn't a big deal to me as
I've no plans to leave the country again anytime soon. What's interesting to me is the amount of people
still arriving down here from all over the world while both scientist and doctors have already said just because
you have received the vaccine does not mean you can't contract it or spread it. This is why you will be
required to wear a mask in public and practice social distancing for the rest of your fearful lives so I (respectfully)
disagree with you when you say "getting the Sinovac vaccine is much better than nothing."

 

[Harleysrock]

Personally I would not have gotten a vaccine there but that has to do with my experiences with fake pharmaceuticals and not trusting a thing in that country.

 

[Harleysrock]

Fully-vaccinated people can gather without masks, CDC says​

Fully vaccinated people can gather without masks, CDC says

NEW YORK (AP) — Fully vaccinated Americans can gather with other vaccinated people indoors without wearing a mask or social distancing, according to long-awaited guidance from federal health officials.

apnews.com

It seems Americans just can’t comprehend how to deal with this at all. You still wear masks, people vaccinated still get Covid. CDC is a disaster.

 

[windeguy]

I’m not nervous I’m gonna get the China jab

With the vaccine almost out and the DR waiting on "promised" deliveries, that may take weeks or even a month to do.

 

[windeguy]

I'm gonna wait four or five years and check back see how those who've been vaccinated are doing
then I'll make my decision. Not being able to fly without being vaccinated isn't a big deal to me as
I've no plans to leave the country again anytime soon. What's interesting to me is the amount of people
still arriving down here from all over the world while both scientist and doctors have already said just because
you have received the vaccine does not mean you can't contract it or spread it. This is why you will be
required to wear a mask in public and practice social distancing for the rest of your fearful lives so I (respectfully)
disagree with you when you say "getting the Sinovac vaccine is much better than nothing."

Your supposition is that not getting a vaccine is better than getting one in your situation. Freedom of choice.
Many people would like to fly again with a bit less risk in the process. Not being vaccinated means there is little reduction in risk (until herd immunity is reached)
from flying or any other public situation.

It is true that being vaccinated does not preclude being a carrier. Herd immunity is harder to reach if this is true.

Vaccination seems to reduce the risk of serious illness and eliminates the death part of having CV19. For me, that is the most important reason to decide to vaccinate or not.

While you wear a mask when in public will you not be fearful? CV19 is here, there and everywhere to stay.

 

[Cdn_Gringo]

The temptation here will be just like it is in up north to use the remaining doses in storage for initial injections rather than save them for the scheduled 2nd dose. We'll see what the Govt decides to do if the next scheduled deliveries get delayed.

 

[windeguy]

Personally I would not have gotten a vaccine there but that has to do with my experiences with fake pharmaceuticals and not trusting a thing in that country.

Then it is good you are no longer here and back in your home country, eh?
Few people here in the DR have the options you have.