Narcosis said:
I am not blaming our problems on Haiti ... what I am focusing on is the fact that Haitian influx IS a major problem for the DR and is a root cause for many of our problems.
The problem isn't with the word
"many", it's with the belief that Haitians here in the DR are a
"root cause" of anywhere from a few to many of the DR's problems. They aren't. There is another way to perceive this, but it's perhaps not evident coming from a left-of-center perspective as you have indicated that you do. I will illustrate.
Narcosis said:
Problems like the current state of public health care. most hospitals are full of Haitian women giving birth and depleating the little if any resources available. When this is the responsibility of the Haitian goverment. Haitians are in public schools also increasing the burden of educating our population. Feeding the population of the island.
Believe it or not, I have stated exactly the same thing in sveral previous threads here and have been misunderstood and attacked for it. But it is entirely correct that
illegal immigrants put a strain on the budgets of government organizations providing subsidized services to the population. The same argument is made in the United States about mainly Mexican illegals.
Note the words. I did not say they were overall a strain on the economy. An argument can be made that the inexpensive labor, the purchase of local goods and services of the immigrants with the money earned in the local economy, etc.produced an overall net gain. But I digress. I specifically mentioned only
subsidized government services. That's a very important point.
If there were no subsidized programs then no amount of Haitians entering the country could be blamed for using up government (ie; Dominicans') monies. The discussion would be over.
Why do Dominicans, Americans, or anyone else on the planet believe that they are entitled by birthright to government subsidized food, housing, education, medical, etc, in the first place? From a right of center position I would argue that the complaining here is not so much about Haitians destroying the Dominican system by using services they're not entitled to, as much as it is about people so used to feeding at the government trough and not wanting anyone else to nose in line.
That problem can be easily fixed by either a) privatizing all currently subsidized services and products (the subsidies have only led to shortages of everything from electricity, to medicine, to gasoline, to cooking gas anyway) and letting everyone pay for only the goods and services that they use from their own pockets, or b) denying entirely all services to non-residents. Problem solved.
Narcosis said:
If you go to Haiti, (I have by the way), you will notice when you walk into a supermarket most foodstuffs are from the Dominican Rep., Rice, beans, the basics, as well as imported things like Cod. This is increasing the need to generate more dollars to produce or import these products and at the same time this production is sold (under the radar) and no tax revenue is obtained from the sale.
Definitely a liberal, with no concept of how economies work. Why is that bad? Some Dominican company made the product, sold it presumably at a profit, employed Dominicans who got paid for their work, who used their pay to buy other products (presumably paying ITBIS as well). And you think that's
all a waste of time simply because Old Baldy didn't have his hand in their pocket siphoning off his 50% to his bank account in Switzerland? I am not saying this to be mean, but, grow up!
Narcosis said:
I agree I may have used "harse" words to describe Haitians and I was wrong for doing so as it only opened me up for becoming an easy target and people starting to deviate from the general idea and inciting hate, which is not my agenda by a long shot. mea culpa
Apology accepted, although I have to admit I am wary of anyone who could speak that way in the first place.
Tom aka XR Middle age is when broadness of the mind and narrowness of the waist change places.