New and Important Info on Satellite TV in DR - Charlie (DN) going N3

[Chip]

Thanks rubio you ansewered my question. Could you post links to the actual equipment I will need other than the dishes.

 

[rubio_higuey]

If you like Sky and you have your Pansat or Viewsat, you can move your dish to point to Amazonas 61W.

Yes, BUT

1) You would need about 8 ft dish (the same size cable companies use for c-band) because the signal is very weak

2) You would need a very professional installation, because Amazonas at 61w is very difficult to get, it is just a very small and thin point you can aim at, and 99% of isntallers would not be able to get a proper aim. I have just spoken about this satellite with one media specialist yesterday.

 

[oldschool]

N3 will be a tough code to crack they have been using N3 in europe for years now and still they don't have a crack for it. The N2 code was originally cracked in Spain not in North America. It's my opinion that maybe the code will be cracked but when is anybodys guess. IKS boxs are a substitue yes but who's servers are you relying on to keep the card sharing active and if there anywhere in North America you can be for sure that they will be raided by the FBI or RCMP who knows how reliable that will be?

I suggest for now if you have Dish just get a legit receiver from them (ebay or Amazon) and pay the $ 33 USD monthly for 250 cannels to get hooked up leagally until if and when the N3 code is cracked.

I've been doing this since the days when Dave was using Plastic cards in there receivers and this (N3) is the first time that I've subscribed for TV I think it will be awhile before Free TV comes back.

I hope I'm wrong

 

[rubio_higuey]

The N2 code was originally cracked in Spain not in North America.

The N2 code was cracked in the US, maybe it was with a Spanish card.... but the DN/VU market for FTA receivers is 10x bigger than Europe. Also, it is a known fact that Viewsat paid lots of money to coders after N2 went live, when they had about 20 containerloads of receivers sitting in Miami.

IKS boxs are a substitue yes but who's servers are you relying on to keep the card sharing active and if there anywhere in North America you can be for sure that they will be raided by the FBI or RCMP who knows how reliable that will be?

The rumor mill says the servers for nfusion are in a US non-friendly country. Also, it is a TOP secret on where the servers really are. Also, your nfusion does not connect to an IKS server. There are 2 to 3 levels of security and intermediation (proxies) on the road. So the IP address your nfusion connects to can be changed on the spot as new servers can be set up, and at the worst case scenario only the first level servers can be raided. IF they are, the Matchstick brothers will most likely swap them in a heartbeat, and the nfusions will keep working (or you just doenload a bin to update the server address list in the device). Now, if the first level of security is raided, they would now immediately, and they have time to remove the second level from operations and swap second level into another servers. So once they raid teh sceond level, they will find only blank data or erased servers. That is, of course, if the first and second level security servers are in the USA/CA.

But I am almost 100% certain that IKS server is not anywhere near the US/CA reach.

 

[rubio_higuey]

If you have a "legal" DISH receiver here in the DR, do you need a method to dial in to DISH to get PayPerView events?

Does that work well from here?

I would assume you can do that via a regular phone line from Codetel (you set up to dial "1" in the receiver) and the call is billed by Codetel, or you just connect it to VOIP line (e.g. via a splitter).

But I am not giving up on DN. I just got the nfusion about 2 weeks ago (that's when I learned about N3) and I still went ahead and got the antennas and did the installation.

A friend of mine who has been watching satellite TV since 1980's when what was up there was only C-band, has been through it all and he IS optimistic.

Anyway, even for the best people (Nagra coders) there are better people (hack coders) there. It's a cat-n-mouse game that has been played since a long time, and according to my friend, we will see Nagra 100 and the game will still be on.

 

[Simon & Nicky]

Back for another roasting .....

Back to SKY for a sec. The childrens section is unbeatable with quality BBC programming, Discovery kids etc. etc. Entertainment section has HBO Fox and BBC (Top Gear, Ramsey's F Word, Dr. Who, Little Britain) and dozens of others. World has Discovery, History, Nat. Geographical etc. etc. News has BBC World Service, CNN etc. Premier Films runs dozens of latest release films every night. Sport is excellent and includes soccer, tennis, golf and F1. Oh and there are about a dozen or so channels showing stuff that might make your granny blush.....

99% OF THESE ARE IN ENGLISH (or just a lot of puffing and panting)

And my dish is about 1 foot across.

How many channels can you watch at once?

I promise I won't post again - I'm a bit out of my depth......

 

[rubio_higuey]

Thanks rubio you ansewered my question. Could you post links to the actual equipment I will need other than the dishes.

If nfusion is proven to work after a switch of DN to N3, you will need:

a 3ft satellite dish or 2 x 3ft satellite dish
2 LNB's
nfusion receiver
Internet and coaxial cabling
a 4x2 switch (similar to coaxial splitter, but more complicated)
24/7 Internet connection

 

[SantiagoDR]

If nfusion is proven to work after a switch of DN to N3, you will need:

a 3ft satellite dish or 2 x 3ft satellite dish
2 LNB's
nfusion receiver
Internet and coaxial cabling
a 4x2 switch (similar to coaxial splitter, but more complicated)
24/7 Internet connection

You are using 3 ft dishes in the DR and getting good reception?
Rain fade must be horrible!


Don

 

[rubio_higuey]

You are using 3 ft dishes in the DR and getting good reception?
Rain fade must be horrible!


Don

As I wrote before, YES. 110w satellite's signal has been boosted recently, and on 3ft dish I am getting: on 110w - 97% quality and signal strength, and on 119w - 88% quality and signal strength

 

[donP]

Patience Required

".... we are very pleased to report that there have been some recent breakthroughs in the creation of fixes for the new system, and they will definitely work with your current equipment. Don't sweat it, shortly after the current system goes down for good, there will guaranteed be fix releases."

There are dozens of those forums and all carry such rumours.
That's what they are.
Only time will tell.
Tranquilo...

 

[lajackael]

I want to add that the guy selling nfusion in POP is a Canadian and was extremely decent to me with his prices(I purchased Antenna parts) I did not purchase my HD nfusion with IKS from him but he is a distributor of the company that I purchased from. He did guarantee me that if I had problems with the installation(from his installers) he would give me another receiver.
I use a professional installer here in Santiago who is "down to earth". With my nfusion I still pick up one or two Porno channels i.e. Playboy..
I had no idea SKY was on 61. I will point an additional dish I have in that direction.

 

[rubio_higuey]

Today I saw SD from bird's perspective (los Cacicazgos). I think I have seen more satellite dishes than trees in Mirador Sur. I would assume about 90 to 95% are pointed to DN.

What I want to say, it's just impossible for DN to go down on FTA's for long because of N3 ... there would be a revolt ... and as I mentioned, and now has seen it with my own eyes, this is a HUUUGE business for FTA/nfusion manufacturers. These systems have to be coming here by containerloads every week.

And Mexico, by my assumption, is as heavy "populated" by DN antennas as this.

I am more optimistic now than I have been just a few days ago.

But again, only time will tell....

 

[Golfer]

A quick semi-related question

Since there appear to be a plethora of technical experts on this thread I'm hoping this might be a good location to ask my questions. If I subscribe to Dish Network in the States and bring down a couple of HD boxes will I be able to receive a decent HD signal? How large of a dish will be required? Wouldn't this be a better alternative than local DR cable companies? Should I consider a Direct TV subscription instead? As an aside, after watching streaming HD video of the Masters Golf Tournament on Masters.com over broadband (and interactive tambien) I'm thinking in a couple of years satellite and cable transmission of video might go the way of the Dodo bird. Thanks in advance for any input.

BTW - iPhones and Blackberrys now have skype applications available striking the first blow in the death knell of the cell phone carriers. As more and more cell calls bypass the telecoms using broadband over Wi-Fi the squealing will really start. Look for the thieves in the Dominican government who make a fortune licensing the thieves in the telecoms to make every attempt to block this technology, to no avail.

 

[rubio_higuey]

You can get a DIRECTV signal, but you would need a big 6ft or more dish. I know it can be done because I have seen it.

 

[Golfer]

Thankx

Thanks for the responses, Dish Network it is. Two 3' dishes can net me an HD signal which is all I want.

 

[Domwolf]

Yes, BUT

1) You would need about 8 ft dish (the same size cable companies use for c-band) because the signal is very weak

2) You would need a very professional installation, because Amazonas at 61w is very difficult to get, it is just a very small and thin point you can aim at, and 99% of isntallers would not be able to get a proper aim. I have just spoken about this satellite with one media specialist yesterday.

1 some say but i got it working with a regular 6ft.

2 9 out of 10 people will need professional installation no matter what they want jajajajajajaja so that is no biggie. More and More installers are getting the hang of this 61.w cause more and more people are adding it.

 

[Domwolf]

I had no idea SKY was on 61. I will point an additional dish I have in that direction.

No Sky is on a different satellite, but 61 has almost the same programing , you can say the provider on this satellite carries 98% of the same channels as sky.

 

[rubio_higuey]

No Sky is on a different satellite, but 61 has almost the same programing , you can say the provider on this satellite carries 98% of the same channels as sky.

There are several packages on Amazonas 61w.

Telmex TV - Conax encrypton, out of luck
Telefonica Chile TV - Nagra 2 encryption
Telefonica Colombia TV - Nagra 2 encryption
Cable Magico Peru - Nagra 2 encryption
Movistar TV Venezuela - Nagra 2 encryption
Telefonica Brasil TV - Nagra 2 encryption

They are all virtually same programming, but out of those I seem to like Telefonica Colombia package, lots of Colombian TVs (RCN, Caracol, CityTV ) and I like Colombian TV.

Also people should know that getting e.g. Telefonica Colombia package is not just pointing a dish to Amazonas 61w and connecting their old Viewsat.

The channels are still encrypted, in Nagravision 2, though. So you CAN use your current equipment, but you also need to keep abreast of the changes. You need to enter provider code, etc. Also the update BINs are not that frequent because not a huge demand for those satellites.

As far as the Footprint of Amazonas 61w is concerned, the signal in the DR is very weak. It just barely touches the DR.

http://www.lyngsat-maps.com/maps/amazonas_sam.html

For anybody interested in satellite TV, this is a good starting point: LyngSat - Lyngemark Satellite

 

[rubio_higuey]

The N2 keys for 61w Amazonas are hard to find, found some, but not sure for what package they are

 

[Domwolf]

The N2 keys for 61w Amazonas are hard to find, found some, but not sure for what package they are

Not really they are seen all over the net , same places you get dish keys.

61w is a viable option, but like all things there are interest to keep people away.

In DR 61w is a good option and for some about to lose dishnet for a while don;t buy into the hype and start buying new box ect..... 90% of the time the same box you have will work with 61w. All it takes is moving your dish and upgrading your bin if that.

Be afraid of the fear mongers............

FTA will live on for a long time in many shapes and manner