Next minister of Interior & Police says government will apply the law

[GusFring]

I know many that have overstayed for 6months to over one year. Many, many times. They always exit with cash in hand. They slick off the far right window (at POP) in cash and say no es necesario recibo(facturo.)

They have only been in power less than a week. Do you think that a new government will implement every policy it wants to implement the second it takes office? From what I understand the outgoing administration pretty much trashed all the offices, took most of the furniture and equipment and left everything in a terrible state for the new administration. I only know this by chatting to the husband of a vice minister yesterday, but I'm sure you will know more than me.

Yea, somebody said the overstay fee will be abolished by January of 2021😂

 

[TropicalPaul]

Since you're a former lawyer can you tell me what the definition of hearsay is? And with that definition does anything you mentioned above matter? Have a good day, TP

For goodness sake, the incoming minister has said that he is going to implement the law in full. That isn't hearsay. I have never once said that they will deport overstaying tourists. They may well change the law to allow snowbirds a route to become legal - certainly we now have the ability to apply online to extend tourist cards. I have no idea what he will or won't do, but all I have said is a) overstayers are in the country illegally, this is a fact and b) the incoming minister has said they will apply the law in full, this is also a fact.

 

[TropicalPaul]

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Just peeking in TP. I'm suspect of anyone "overselling" the order as I like to call it. That is not saying you are wrong or not entitled to your opinion. What I am trying to say in a way that is not rude is. . . just because you (and windy) say ""it's a fact!" , well, , that doesn't cut it. Just because you "have lived and run a business in the DR" does not explain HOW and What enforcing the law means. Those words were from the minister. Do you really know in what spirit he wrote those words? I doubt it in spite of the resume you presented. We are all here observers and we are very smart people. You would agree with that wouldn't you? So, let's see how this all plays out and look back at it in about a year from now when there will be a much clearer picture. In the meantime I think one should recognize the issue is cloudy, and subject to many interpretations.

I entirely agree with what you are saying. But I stress that I have not once said that the new government will be deporting overstayers (and I don't think Windy has either). What I have been saying is that overstayers are illegal, this is the fact, and this is what people have been arguing about over the last 30 pages. The new government is committed to implementing the law in full, so I presume they will need to come up with a solution to the anomaly that is overstayers. Personally, given how many hoteliers we now have in government, I can't believe they will be frog-marching Canadian snow-birds onto deportation flights. My guess is that they will provide a longer snowbird visa which is what a lot have been asking for, and then insist that everyone is in the country legally.

As far as immigration law is concerned, they also have to think about what they are going to do about Venezuelans. The old government did have some sympathy with their plight and seemed reluctant to deport them. Again, most enter on tourist visas and most are now illegal, the difference being that many now work illegally.

 

[Caonabo]

That is the tradition when transition from one party to the other. Did the old president leave the new president a note? I heard that is a tradition in some countries. I am asking because I am sure I do not know as much about this in the Dominican Republic as you do.

No, this is a criminal act, not a tradition. The US of A experienced it when the Clintons left office, and GWB took over the presidency.
They destroyed everything. It has been well documented. The parallels between the Clintons and Margarita's PLD (First Person/Vice-President) are scary.

 

[TropicalPaul]

Hard drives?! SSDs brother. The cost of SSD start at 100 USD for a 1 TB. Buy new drives and start over from the backups.
Why do people with day jobs be hating so much on those who don't need them anymore?

I think they probably took the backups as well. I've seen photos of some of the offices, honestly it looks like a hurricane has hit.

 

[Caonabo]

I think they probably took the backups as well. I've seen photos of some of the offices, honestly it looks like a hurricane has hit.

I have seen some of the photos myself.
They should be released to the media, so as to the shame the outgoing administration.
Perhaps they will, or perhaps they will be used as part of the prosecution against them.

 

[windeguy]

LOL. You didn't read or understand one word of my post. Have a good evening the dinner bell is ringing. Whole fish and zucchini fritters. Sorry.

I read your post. Sorry.

 

[windeguy]

Mr Wind i thought I told you to let it go.... you'll be happier

This is amusing.

 

[windeguy]

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I entirely agree with what you are saying. But I stress that I have not once said that the new government will be deporting overstayers (and I don't think Windy has either).
You are correct. I have no idea on that point. Nor do I think non-Haitians will be rounded up in big buses like they frequently round up Haitians and toss them over the border only to boomerang back. Rinse and repeat. They might round up more Haitians, but CV19 seems to have slowed that down.

What I have been saying is that overstayers are illegal, this is the fact, and this is what people have been arguing about over the last 30 pages. The new government is committed to implementing the law in full, so I presume they will need to come up with a solution to the anomaly that is overstayers. Personally, given how many hoteliers we now have in government, I can't believe they will be frog-marching Canadian snow-birds onto deportation flights. My guess is that they will provide a longer snowbird visa which is what a lot have been asking for, and then insist that everyone is in the country legally.

As far as immigration law is concerned, they also have to think about what they are going to do about Venezuelans. The old government did have some sympathy with their plight and seemed reluctant to deport them. Again, most enter on tourist visas and most are now illegal, the difference being that many now work illegally.

It will set the new administration back if all the equipment containing the data for all government departments has been destroyed. Not a surprise the PLD were sore losers and did that. Imagine having a job for 16 years and now in the CV19 era you have no source of income other than what you already stole from the people. Covering their tracks as well by destroying evidence of corruption.

Providing a solution for long term stays that works and is backed by the law would be nice. Time will tell. I am not hopeful of one that both works and is backed by law.

 

[bob saunders]

It will set the new administration back if all the equipment containing the data for all government departments has been destroyed. Not a surprise the PLD were sore losers and did that. Imagine having a job for 16 years and now in the CV19 era you have no source of income other than what you already stole from the people. Covering their tracks as well by destroying evidence of corruption.

Providing a solution for long term stays that works and is backed by the law would be nice. Time will tell. I am not hopeful of one that both works and is backed by law.

When Hipolito's government lost they even stole the computer and a/c from school offices. An acquaintance of mine received five pensions but never held a job in government.

 

[SNH]

That is just saying that in July 85% of foreigners arriving were Americans, they are only talking about the 46,207 American tourists that arrived in July as a percentage of total arrivals in July. But normally the percentage is much lower than that, I think the US accounts for about 30-40% of all tourists in a "normal" year. Certainly Punta Cana cannot survive just on US business. It needs the European flights (bear in mind Air France alone flies daily to Punta Cana in high season), the Russians, the Canadians and the South Americans to get the volume to make it work.

You ask the source I gave it to you. Now you want to discredit the source by splitting hairs. 🤷‍♂️

It’s just saying the exact thing I said 85% of the tourist that came were from usa.

And with tourism down over 88% the last thing they are going to think about is deporting the few people who are coming and spending money here, not taking any jobs and not causing any trouble.

What used to happen in a “normal year” is totally irrelevant. As the only thing that matters to hotels and tourism is now.

What was “normal” is dead they will never let them have those levels of occupancy with Covid around even years from now.

And Im sure those resorts and flights are grateful for the 46,000+ american tourist that did come because without them they would have almost zero while waiting on the countries you said they “need” from Europe.

Those 46,000 tourist x at $2000 usd min spend are bringing at least $92,000,000 usd into the dr in July.

$92,000,000 is a whole lot better than zero.

 

[windeguy]

Short term tourists who stay at AI's for a couple of weeks aren't an issue with respect to violating any immigration laws.
Job 1 for the DR and a main discussion on Monday is how to get more of them back as soon as possible.

Now back to enforcing laws on only Haitians and now Venezuelans. The rest have white privilege.

 

[GusFring]

For goodness sake, the incoming minister has said that he is going to implement the law in full. That isn't hearsay. I have never once said that they will deport overstaying tourists. They may well change the law to allow snowbirds a route to become legal - certainly we now have the ability to apply online to extend tourist cards. I have no idea what he will or won't do, but all I have said is a) overstayers are in the country illegally, this is a fact and b) the incoming minister has said they will apply the law in full, this is also a fact.

Yea, he announced to the Dominican people he will be cracking down on overstayers🤣

 

[NanSanPedro]

They are cracking down. I left yesterday and had to pay $2500DOP to leave after staying since January 8.

Seriously, I was ready to pay 4000, but she only asked fo 2500.

 

[Fulano2]

Her calculator must have had a low battery.

 

[Andre14615]

They are cracking down. I left yesterday and had to pay $2500DOP to leave after staying since January 8.

Seriously, I was ready to pay 4000, but she only asked fo 2500.

Did you receive a receipt?

 

[NanSanPedro]

Did you receive a receipt?

Yes. I even got change for $3000!

 

[Andre14615]

Yes. I even got change for $3000!

Awesome!

 

[Lobo Tropical]

For goodness sake, the incoming minister has said that he is going to implement the law in full. That isn't hearsay. I have never once said that they will deport overstaying tourists. They may well change the law to allow snowbirds a route to become legal - certainly we now have the ability to apply online to extend tourist cards. I have no idea what he will or won't do, but all I have said is a) overstayers are in the country illegally, this is a fact and b) the incoming minister has said they will apply the law in full, this is also a fact.

Those of you here long enough,
What do you think Chris Colon would say to this?

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Our old pal... deceased Criss Colon still sits atop many records here on the DR1

no lower than 5th in any category,,,
Likes - Dislikes - Given - Rec'd....

still way up there ....

a living legend.... wait - not quite
But a LEGEND nonetheless

He didn't make it to the DOP hit 50:1....he'd have loved it

 

[Lobo Tropical]

For goodness sake, the incoming minister has said that he is going to implement the law in full. That isn't hearsay. I have never once said that they will deport overstaying tourists. They may well change the law to allow snowbirds a route to become legal - certainly we now have the ability to apply online to extend tourist cards. I have no idea what he will or won't do, but all I have said is a) overstayers are in the country illegally, this is a fact and b) the incoming minister has said they will apply the law in full, this is also a fact.

It is the law,
"Vásquez says that the migration issues worsened because of the delays in the government passing the ruling to apply the law. He said during those limbo years, many more people migrated here. He says there also has not been the political will to confront the situation.

We are still doing the limbo - How low can you go???
Abinader and Vazquez still permit illegal overstayers in the country,
The administration still collects overstay fines,
Entry to returning overstayers is still granted.

The Law states that corruption is illegal by Politicians, Judges, Lawyers, military and police.
Subverting government funds for personal gain and bribes are illegal.
Are you a child, that believes all fary tales told?

The RD is still deeply in debt.
Who needs tourism revenues, if they were arriving , right?
Slap them in the face, so they will not return.

the incoming minister has said they will apply the law in full, this is also a fact.

Yet Abinader stated that relations to the USA, CAN, EU, Brazil are of great importance.
Let's see how the facts play out.