Oh please John. Mean is an understatement. Give me credit when due.
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Gus. I was referring to the visa program in Mexico and Colombia. Your allowed to enter and stay on a six month visa. No need to apply. It’s automatic when you enter the country. At the end of six months you have to leave the country for a 24 hour period. After that you can return for another six months. My friends get a cheap flight and stay at a resort in a neighbouring country for a few days or fly home for a week then return to Mexico or Columbia for another six months. I have a friend in Puerto Vallarta who has been doing this for well over a decade and has never been hassled by Mexican migration. DR Migration could even charge a six month Visa fee comparable to the six month overstay fee. Snowbirds would snap them up and breathe a bit easier if such a process was in place. The current process to renew your 30 day DR visa is just another bureaucratic hurdle. Almost not worth the effort. It’s easier to just pay your overstay fees and go your merry way. The other option is to go the Nevis route. Buy real estate of a certain value and you automatically get expedited citizenship with a passport. The bottom line here is regardless of which route you choose to take, visa, regular residency, pensioner residency, etc., the DR government has to cut the red tape and make the process easier. Otherwise It’s status quo and we will be discussing overstay fees for another ten years. The system is biased against foreigners who want to settle and invest in the DR. The lengthy and costly residency process is evidence of that. Even a simple thing like importing vehicle is biased. High import duties and, if we want to import a car, it has to be of a certain age ( no more than five years old I think) and has to be in good condition. Locals, however, can drive old dilapidated vehicles in unsafe condition at reckless speeds and the government turns a blind eye. My desire to own property and live full time in the DR has dwindled over the past 15 years. I’m sure many other snowbirds feel the same way. I’m not looking for special treatment from DR migration nor do I consider myself an elite. I’m a retired federal civil servant with a decent pension that meets the DR requirements for pensioner residency. Eliminate the bias, make the process more streamlined, reduce the cost and I’ll be sipping my dark and dirtys and strumming my guitar on my own villa balcony in the blink of an eye.
"My position" is not an opinion. It is based upon the law. Not mumbo jumbo. After 30 days, anyone in the country on just a tourist card is an illegal alien. That is not "my position", it is a fact.
I know such people. They own over a million US dollars in property where they live year round as illegal aliens. It is "hard" for them to become residents is the excuse. So they live illegally here. They leave the DR for a week or two at a time and this is their only domicile. Are that at risk?
I understand that being an illegal alien is fine for you. Everyone has their own level of risk they will take.
Some people actually take the time to become legal. It does happen.
If the minister is true to his word, those exit fees will disappear. If he is not, they will continue. Time will tell.
nothing is disappearing here only thing that disappear is the tourist
Would you extend this to Dominicans going to your home country?
Absolutely! If they're gonna come here loaded with money and they'll be pumping money into the economy they can stay as long as they don't run out of money. If they're gonna come here and get on welfare or commit crimes then obviously no 🤷♂️
He is a child,scared to leave the keyboard,from what the people at jolly roger tell me.
Many work multiple jobs and go to college. Many don't. I had the experience of living in the Dominican section of the Bronx for a few years before moving here. Yes there is what we call in NYC section8 housing fraud, Medicaid fraud, etc. Many hard workers though trying to get ahead send 50 home here and there. I must say, infinitely better people than certain Americans you find in the South Bronx.
In my 1st post I said "the government has no responsibility towards me at all", meaning if I don't have the residency I can't ask for any government assistance (financially). But everyone knows this law is made for Haitians (maybe they'll use it on Venezuelans too), this is not for people coming from Canada, US, France, Italy, Germany... What happened in Sosua a few years back was some low-level idiot not knowing what to do, and the Minister of Tourism apologized afterwards. I never heard him apologizing every time they fill up a bus full of Haitians and dump them across the border.
i would even make a residency mandatory to be able to purchase proeprty.
who is doing "such big Investments", has no trouble to pay for the residencyand the paperwork is not a out of this world amount,
or how would somany new residents per yera/day manage to go through the process?
do a snowbird visa and take away the joke of a overstay fee.
who is doing "such big Investments", has no trouble to pay for the residencyand the paperwork is not a out of this world amount,
or how would somany new residents per yera/day manage to go through the process?
do a snowbird visa and take away the joke of a overstay fee.
And make it all doable online. Everything they need is in a database somewhere. Going back and forth for this stamp and that paper is totally stupid. This is 2020, not 1920.
Why does it bother you at all Mike? How does somebody overstaying 30 days impact your life in any way? You must be one of them grumpy old men who are looking to insert themselves in everybody else's life? If somebody is there overstaying by 30 years it has no impact on my life whatsoever, why would it impact yours? 🤷♂️
grumpy old man?
well, it shows that you have no clue, so no need to discuss with you.
while i am all for a easy to do visitor/snowbird etc visa, to be done online,
I am personally against letting everybody unchecked in and stay as long as they please.
I saw in my time here enough of trash within the good crowd ofvisitors/travelers/expats etc.
who want's to stay permanently to live here, has to do their residency or go elsewhere where they are welcome without such, plain and simple.
to proceed the residencyandvisa processes Online, yes, such i see in todays times as a necesity.
but as long as the DR itself does not see the need to change such quickly, so long it is as it is, each can decide to like and comply or dislike and look elsewhere.
Well, with no ciclóna tropicales currently on the fast track, and the same 5 or 6 Doomsday Davies and Crazy Charlottes fretting over the Chinese Plague, it was only a matter of time before this topic would be magnified and overdone by the usual suspects at large.
Has any person taken the time to read and understand the original posting?
"Jesús (Chú) Vásquez, the named Minister of Interior & Police in the upcoming Luis Abinader presidency, says the next government will apply the General Migration Law 285-04. He said the law was passed when he presided the Senate in 2004. “Nothing needs to be invented. Just apply the law,” he says."
Seems simple enough. All you really have to do is take the time, and research General Migration Law 285-04. I will leave this work for those truly interested, and highly recommend it to the few who are truly misinterpreting it for their own bizarre obsessions over tourist overstayers.
This law has nothing to do with 30 day tourist cards and those persons attached to them, and everything to do with the Haitian situation in regards to RD government policy, and human rights.
For those that believe there is a connection, you are severely misinformed regarding the country you choose to reside in, and/or visit.
Has any person taken the time to read and understand the original posting?
"Jesús (Chú) Vásquez, the named Minister of Interior & Police in the upcoming Luis Abinader presidency, says the next government will apply the General Migration Law 285-04. He said the law was passed when he presided the Senate in 2004. “Nothing needs to be invented. Just apply the law,” he says."
Seems simple enough. All you really have to do is take the time, and research General Migration Law 285-04. I will leave this work for those truly interested, and highly recommend it to the few who are truly misinterpreting it for their own bizarre obsessions over tourist overstayers.
This law has nothing to do with 30 day tourist cards and those persons attached to them, and everything to do with the Haitian situation in regards to RD government policy, and human rights.
For those that believe there is a connection, you are severely misinformed regarding the country you choose to reside in, and/or visit.
In regards to this topic, I constantly read where DR1's own in house legal consultants, Guzmán Ariza, are frequently quoted with the phrase "legal work around", as it relates to paying as you leave our country.
Here is another quote from the same legal entity, that rarely, if ever gets mentioned by those truly obsessed with the situation......
"A foreign national, such as a retiree, a person intent on doing business, or an investor, who seeks to stay in the Dominican Republic for a year or more should consider obtaining residency status."
drlawyer.com
The key words being should & consider, connected with the specific time frame mentioned. Not must, after 30 days.
Here is another quote from the same legal entity, that rarely, if ever gets mentioned by those truly obsessed with the situation......
"A foreign national, such as a retiree, a person intent on doing business, or an investor, who seeks to stay in the Dominican Republic for a year or more should consider obtaining residency status."
Nationality, Citizenship and Immigration Guzmán Ariza | The Dominican Republic Law Firm
The rights of citizenship are only bestowed upon a Dominican national who has reached the age of eighteen, or who is married or has been married before..
drlawyer.com
The key words being should & consider, connected with the specific time frame mentioned. Not must, after 30 days.
Strange, this is what I found:In regards to this topic, I constantly read where DR1's own in house legal consultants, Guzmán Ariza, are frequently quoted with the phrase "legal work around", as it relates to paying as you leave our country.
Here is another quote from the same legal entity, that rarely, if ever gets mentioned by those truly obsessed with the situation......
"A foreign national, such as a retiree, a person intent on doing business, or an investor, who seeks to stay in the Dominican Republic for a year or more should consider obtaining residency status."
Nationality, Citizenship and Immigration Guzmán Ariza | The Dominican Republic Law Firm
The rights of citizenship are only bestowed upon a Dominican national who has reached the age of eighteen, or who is married or has been married before..
The key words being should & consider, connected with the specific time frame mentioned. Not must, after 30 days.
"A foreign national, such as a retiree, a person intent on doing business, whore monger or an investor, who seeks to stay in the Dominican Republic for a year or more should consider obtaining residency status.". -anonymous source
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