Next minister of Interior & Police says government will apply the law

[windeguy]

The existing fee schedule is a fair price.

It has worked pretty well now for how many years?

It would work if the new government actually changed immigration law to put in the fees and then the people who payed them up front would be legal.

Kind of like a snowbird visa. However, if you read the OP, that does not seem to be part of the plan.

 

[johne]

I have some concern about what has been defined as squatters that I know. They live here year round only leaving for a week or two in a year. They have been here illegally for years. Foolish for them to do that no matter what changes today (or tomorrow). Is that OK with you?

There are quite of few snowbirds as well that might be affected in the Sosua and Cabarete area as you point out. People who own winter homes in Casa Linda. People who rent houses/apartments or stay longer than a month in hotels and Airbnbs. We rented our apartments to many of them over the years ourselves. I am quite familiar with that group. If I needed that rent money, I might be worried about them as well, if that was OK with you.....

I'm "OK " with whatever my fellow board members are OK with. My agenda is set, legal and paid for in full. Don't be concerned with me and no need to ask twice in a patronizing manner. Have a very blessed day.

 

[windeguy]

Yawn. I'm sorry I was up late last night. Talk to you next week Windy. BTW don't worry (" I hope for their sakes") those people who snowbird in and around SD aren't doing too bad. LOL. I might say, a lot better than Cab, POP, Sousa the north coast with the breeze from the Atlanta Ocean. See you later have a blessed day. Don't worry maybe things will get better.

I would say it sucks to be in Santo Domingo, but that is just me, I guess. But then, I like the north coast. But you might say different.
I suspect there are more squatters and snowbird condo/villa owners on the north coast than in Santo Domingo. It is nicer here.

One thing is sure, there will be changes. Off topic here but Abinader is saying everyone will have health care and the government will build reservoirs to prevent water shortages..

 

[windeguy]

I'm "OK " with whatever my fellow board members are OK with. My agenda is set, legal and paid for in full. Don't be concerned with me and no need to ask twice in a patronizing manner. Have a very blessed day.

Very well. We all do have our agendas. Mine centers around what the law allows in the main.

 

[johne]

I would say it sucks to be in Santo Domingo, but that is just me, I guess. But then, I like the north coast. But you might say different.
I suspect there are more squatters and snowbird condo/villa owners on the north coast than in Santo Domingo. It is nicer here.

One thing is sure, there will be changes. Off topic here but Abinader is saying everyone will have health care and the government will build reservoirs to prevent water shortages..

"In and around" Windy. Have a second coffee.

 

[windeguy]

"In and around" Windy. Have a second coffee.

Being around is different than in. I have no use for that area in general.

Today it is tea. I prefer tea to coffee.

 

[aarhus]

Being around is different than in. I have no use for that area in general.

Today it is tea. I prefer tea to coffee.

I have also switched to tea. Taking a break from coffee and first had some withdrawals with irritability. Now its better.

 

[windeguy]

I have also switched to tea. Taking a break from coffee and first had some withdrawals with irritability. Now its better.

It has always been tea first for me. Originally I was going to retire to an ocean front home in Sri Lanka...
But I do enjoy a cappuccino as well.

The official change of the DR government happens around 10 AM today. Looks like Medina might actually show up after all.
Stay tuned of the changes in health care, water, electricity and immigration to name a few.

 

[Ecoman1949]

It has always been tea first for me. Originally I was going to retire to an ocean front home in Sri Lanka...
But I do enjoy a cappuccino as well.

The official change of the DR government happens around 10 AM today. Looks like Medina might actually show up after all.
Stay tuned of the changes in health care, water, electricity and immigration to name a few.

I admire your optimism Windy but I take new government promises with a grain of salt. The changes you mention require the expenditure of large amounts of public funds. Funds the new government doesn’t currently have unless they are capable of pulling a rabbit out of a hat. Changes to immigration are not as expensive and could be another potential revenue stream if done right.

One coffee a day for me. Doctors orders because of my arrhythmia. Usually at breakfast. I drink Earl Grey tea the rest of the day and a decaf Earl Grey tea before bedtime.

 

[Caonabo]

'High-end" tourists are in and out. They do a 5 dayer, maybe a 10 dayer or a 2 weeker that's it.

As I said and has been repeated by other posters, the system is geared for volume. More volume more money. Millions of tourists.

Describing the millions and millions of tourists to the DR as low hanging fruit is like saying the sun will set in the West. That's the model. $80 a night for a family of 5. It is targeted at the tree of the low hanging fruit.

And the DR is far from a high-end location. There are so many other higher-end options, sadly. So many lost so many millions in Cap Cana and other locations of failed "higher-end" projects. Those pain points are still felt today and the developments are still limping along with many unfinished villas that have not been completed for 15 years.

Figure out how to turn something into say The Albany Club in The Bahamas you might be on to something.

'Gus,
You are dancing merengue to a bachata. Slow down the pace sir. I am not, nor have once mentioned the entire RD tourism model/system. Only you have.
I have been referencing my preference to the types of persons/visitors I, personally would not mind seeing overstay their tourist cards, or purchase a longer stay alternative. I would not mind them to be persons of more substance, than which is the current norm. I hardly believe those that attend AI's are staying past 30 days, or looking to spend six months in their respective AI's......although some do have long term contracts/rental agreements within some.

 

[windeguy]

I admire your optimism Windy but I take new government promises with a grain of salt. The changes you mention require the expenditure of large amounts of public funds. Funds the new government doesn’t currently have unless they are capable of pulling a rabbit out of a hat. Changes to immigration are not as expensive and could be another potential revenue stream if done right.

One coffee a day for me. Doctors orders because of my arrhythmia. Usually at breakfast. I drink Earl Grey tea the rest of the day and a decaf Earl Grey tea before bedtime.

I have no preconceived grandiose notions that one leader of a banana republic can do better than another.
I do realize that 16 years of any one party leads to massive amount of corruption.
With a change of the guard, it takes some time to develop that level and some things might get done until then.
Nothing has been said about changes to immigration other than immigration laws actually be enforced as written.

 

[Caonabo]

I would say it sucks to be in Santo Domingo, but that is just me, I guess. But then, I like the north coast. But you might say different.
I suspect there are more squatters and snowbird condo/villa owners on the north coast than in Santo Domingo. It is nicer here.

One thing is sure, there will be changes. Off topic here but Abinader is saying everyone will have health care and the government will build reservoirs to prevent water shortages..

There are less facial recognition cameras on the north coast.....for the moment.

 

[Caonabo]

Very well. We all do have our agendas. Mine centers around what the law allows in the main.

windeguy, quite obviously some are not willing to have their fingerprints on record.
For others, quite possibly, they already are.

 

[aarhus]

I admire your optimism Windy but I take new government promises with a grain of salt. The changes you mention require the expenditure of large amounts of public funds. Funds the new government doesn’t currently have unless they are capable of pulling a rabbit out of a hat. Changes to immigration are not as expensive and could be another potential revenue stream if done right.

One coffee a day for me. Doctors orders because of my arrhythmia. Usually at breakfast. I drink Earl Grey tea the rest of the day and a decaf Earl Grey tea before bedtime.

Thats a disciplined routine of coffee/tea.

I agree changes to immigration is the easiest

 

[windeguy]

windeguy, quite obviously some are not willing to have their fingerprints on record.
For others, quite possibly, they already are.

I had a neighbor like that. He was on the Most Wanted List in the USA for K Street crimes . He lived in my development and went by an alias until the statute of limitations ran out. Embezzled all that money and refused to pay the association fee.

Then he moved out of the DR and left the house behind. With the new kids in town let us see if anything at all happens.

 

[william webster]

Eco
When you talk about money or cost of change remember the new guys promise to clean tings up

the Mrs President had 600 people on staff.... for one example

 

[Caonabo]

I had a neighbor like that. He was on the Most Wanted List in the USA for K Street crimes . He lived in my development and went by an alias until the statute of limitations ran out. Embezzled all that money and refused to pay the association fee.

Then he moved out of the DR and left the house behind. With the new kids in town let us see if anything at all happens.

While one or two members of this forum have advised me as to what a K frame revolver is, I am not privy to a K street crime.
I am not surprised that a foreign born national attempted to embezzle funds from a property project here within RD. It would not be the first, nor last time. It has been happening since the 70's. That business is not regulated as much as it should/can be.

 

[GusFring]

While one or two members of this forum have advised me as to what a K frame revolver is, I am not privy to a K street crime.
I am not surprised that a foreign born national attempted to embezzle funds from a property project here within RD. It would not be the first, nor last time. It has been happening since the 70's. That business is not regulated as much as it should/can be.

Agree and the bad guys that steal the money would not have a chance at getting any licensure to sell housing or development if there was regulation.

Selling financial instruments in the US requires licensure. Development and management does not but the downside of committing financial fraud in the US is harsh.

Changing this in the DR would be a tall task but is necessary for sure.

 

[Caonabo]

Agree and the bad guys that steal the money would not have a chance at getting any licensure to sell housing or development if there was regulation.

Selling financial instruments in the US requires licensure. Development and management does not but the downside of committing financial fraud in the US is harsh.

Changing this in the DR would be a tall task but is necessary for sure.

Yes, unfortunately there are many bad participants.
Sad, but 'true.

 

[ramesses]

You are 100% wrong on this. The overstay fee does not make your overstay legal. DR1's lawyer has confirmed this in other threads.
The entire reason for the new minister to say he will enforce the laws is because the overstay fee is a work around
that ignores immigration laws that the PRM wrote in 2004 just before 16 years of PLD rule which ends in about a week.

Here is the link about this work around of paying fees:

https://www.migracion.gob.do/Menu/index/21

Note B under the fees is this:

b. Este pago no supone una prorroga que autorice al nacional extranjero a permanecer en el país.
Translated by Google
b. This payment (of the overstay fee) does not imply an extension that authorizes the foreign national to remain in the country.

(Payment of the overstay fee does not mean your overstay was legal)

The crazy part is...I have stood in the Dominican Embassy in Canada and have been outright told by officials to not worry about overstaying. Just pay the fine when you leave and enjoy your stay. I have been told the same thing at the Airport in the DR. This is what creates confusion.

If the Dominican Republic was serious, they would state the law. Stop taking overstay. Stop telling people who actually take the time to inquire that all is good.

Maybe they will now but it would help all involved to make this clear with no wiggle room.

Time will tell.

Edit...looks like I got involved in another post about overstays....what is wrong with me? smh