Pedro Clisante at night is like a police state.

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Berzin

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Those that today are fuming at the "loss" of their putas and "happy" biz in Sosua can take solace that Haiti will be soon booming again. Just like they had the sex-tourism industry of the 60's and 70's.

There's a new Sheriff in town, either get with the program or find a new sexvacation heaven further north or south!
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If this were one of the priorities of the Sosua "clean-up", then please explain why Passions was never touched during the police round-ups.

Apparently they are allowed to stay open for business undisturbed, catering to the same sex tourists you believe the mayor of Sosua is looking to eradicate.

I have nothing against the owner or his business. I'm just using this establishment as an example of the apparent lack of cohesion with this so-called "plan", if indeed the purpose is to rid Sosua of it's reputation as a haven for sex tourism like you say.

Care to explain this in 200 words or less? Or is this just a case of you stating an opinion as fact?

By the way, Sosua had places that catered to whore mongers since the 1980's. There were bars that had rooms in the rear for the barmaids to take care of their clients, who paid the owner of the establishment a "salida" fee.

The difference was the majority of the clientele were local. So this vision of Sosua being some type of "Paradise Lost" is a bit of a stretch in comparison to the reality.
 
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I think Sosua is a survivor. During the "dig up the streets" and "make every road impassable" campaign of the late '90's, almost everyone thought that the end of Sosua was certain. But even after months of blocked entrances by mounds of dirt and open 10 foot deep trenches (where careless motors and pedestrians alike would fall into) in the middle of the street, Sosua continued. It was a blow, but not fatal. I was sure that the town was a goner, but I was proved wrong. If anyone remembers that time, they will know what I mean.
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So true.I remember having a little bridge so customers could get into the bar. It was rough but the people still came out. Overall, what's happening now is small compared to the street dig-up of that time. As for upscale restaurants in Sosua, Sosua by the Sea, Scotch & Sirloin, On the Waterfront, La Canas and Morua Mai come to mind. Last Saturday had an excellent meal at las canas, piano bar and all. Nothing in Cabarete could have beaten that.
 
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The chef was very happy with the changes he saw going on in Sosua.
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The same with the taxi driver who brought me home from Caribe Tour terminal a short time ago. He was very positive about the changes that are slowly taking place.
 
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let's face it a taxi driver and chef can't move an inch of manure. now let's ask SOMEONE worth while like some of those rich dominicans with the guards that live in the gated houses what they think.
 
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let's face it a taxi driver and chef can't move an inch of manure. now let's ask SOMEONE worth while like some of those rich dominicans with the guards that live in the gated houses what they think.
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Pretty casual dismissal of the average Dominican, don't you think?

It is the cooks and taxi drivers who live in Sosua who voted for the mayor in the hope she would do what she is doing.

The rich Dominicans with gate houses may have a lot of money, but no vote in the Sosua elections.
 
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Pretty casual dismissal of the average Dominican, don't you think?

It is the cooks and taxi drivers who live in Sosua who voted for the mayor in the hope she would do what she is doing.

The rich Dominicans with gate houses may have a lot of money, but no vote in the Sosua elections.
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It's as though there was no fixing of elections by the rich in the DR.
 
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Making the comparison of cleaning up Times Square in New York City with cleaning up Sosua in the Dominican Republic is ridiculous. These are two completely different animals. There is no comparison.
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My point is that in both instantances there were/are a lot of naysayers. My other point is that the right person can get the job done as Guliani did in NY.
 
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Prostitution and Sosua as a tourist destination go hand in hand. Prostitution and the Dominican Republic as a tourist destination go hand in hand. It's just a fact. Good, bad or indifferent, that's just the way it is. But it is not prostitution, per se, that is Sosua's biggest problem. Sosua's most prosperous times were when Sosua was filled with prostitutes. Let me repeat that again, Sosua's most prosperous times were when Sosua was filled with prostitutes. All these discos and clubs were filled with both prostitutes plying there trade, tourists and just regular local people, but in a much different atmosphere. Copacabana used to be open on Sunday afternoon for the locals who were not old enough to enter the other clubs that were open only at night, it was attended only by the locals of Sosua at that time.
And all of this took place in the presence of many, many more prostitutes than are here in Sosua now. But this is definitely not the case now. Things have gotten way out of hand. Back then many of the clubs and bars were open 24 hours and there were very few problems.

Unfortunately Sosua has deterioirated from what it once was and there are many reasons. The proliferation of the local drug trade also has a lot to do with it. Crime as a whole really isn't that much of a problem but it is way more prevelant now then back then. Walking down Pedro Clisante back then was a completely different experience, one thousand times better than now. So here we are today with the mayor's or whoever's new initiative to "clean up" Sosua. If done correctly it would be a welcomed change. As long as they don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Let's face it Sosua is what it is. And hopefully Sosua can be what it once was.
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Great post NY-DR Commuter. I've lived here for over 4 yrs and spend at least 4 nights a week in Sosua. IMHO, you clean the streets of the chulos, Dominican deportees, and local want a B’s, and you may just have the Sosua you remembered..
 
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I really dont think sosua is that different to other dominican coastal towns...you can find what you are looking for in most places if you really want to find it
 
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Just curious

I recall a couple of weeks ago reading a blog about the fact that there was a lot of "brothas" or "african americans" starting to find their way to the DR. I just returned from a trip to the DR, yes sosua was one of my stops. I could not help but notice that there was an awful lot of AA's in sosua, much more than I usually see. I think it was even noticed by the DJ in classico, because he played rap music practically the whole night.
I can't help but wonder if the "traditionalist" who yearn for the good ol days, have noticed this as well. The question was asked in an earlier post, how does the police determine what girls walking on the street, are working girls? Isn't it automatically assumed that any girl with an AA is a working girl? Could it be that the unwanted element in sosua is not prostitution but AAs. Could it be that they have noticed how similar AA and Haitians are in appearance and decided just like the shoe shine kids, sosua would be better off without them? Just curious!
 
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remember sosua was known for prostitution way before the AA's arrived. are they a contributing factor ? yes. but so are the europeans, canadians, white americans, etc.
i believe the solution to this problem lies in changing the minds of the domincan woman. teaching them to believe they can be more in society than a working girl.
 
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I recall a couple of weeks ago reading a blog about the fact that there was a lot of "brothas" or "african americans" starting to find their way to the DR. I just returned from a trip to the DR, yes sosua was one of my stops. I could not help but notice that there was an awful lot of AA's in sosua, much more than I usually see. I think it was even noticed by the DJ in classico, because he played rap music practically the whole night.
I can't help but wonder if the "traditionalist" who yearn for the good ol days, have noticed this as well. The question was asked in an earlier post, how does the police determine what girls walking on the street, are working girls? Isn't it automatically assumed that any girl with an AA is a working girl? Could it be that the unwanted element in sosua is not prostitution but AAs. Could it be that they have noticed how similar AA and Haitians are in appearance and decided just like the shoe shine kids, sosua would be better off without them? Just curious!
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Colour is not an issue when it come to arresting people. Some nights more Dominican girls are arrested than Haitians. As for shoe shine boys, even if they were green they should not be on the streets, they should be in school. I have yet to see any cop give a black tourist a hard time.
 
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I recall a couple of weeks ago reading a blog about the fact that there was a lot of "brothas" or "african americans" starting to find their way to the DR. . I think it was even noticed by the DJ in classico, because he played rap music practically the whole night.
I can't help but wonder if the "traditionalist" who yearn for the good ol days, have noticed this as well. The question was asked in an earlier post, how does the police determine what girls walking on the street, are working girls? Isn't it automatically assumed that any girl with an AA is a working girl? Could it be that the unwanted element in sosua is not prostitution but AAs. Could it be that they have noticed how similar AA and Haitians are in appearance and decided just like the shoe shine kids, sosua would be better off without them? Just curious!
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I guess I can see where someone might have that random thought bouncing around in their head, but it has absolutely no validity. The discos have played rap for a long time, so that's not proof for your "theory". If you walked into Latinos 7 years ago you would've heard a lot of Fity Cents.

The Mayor and her bunch saw the town headed in a direction they don't want. Chicas fighting w/presidente bottles over gringos, more drugs, a few murders over the last 18-24 months - and probably wondered "What if it gets worse?"
 
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my definition of a low-life is not what you do
but how you treat others

to me a low life lies, cheats, and steals anything they can get thier hands on with no thought of the person they are taking from...thier victims aren't even an after thought

because someone is poor or poorly educated or live in a certain area does not make them a low life
a persons sexual preferneces does not make them a low life
same can be said for religeon, job, ect.....

this my opinion and one i will never change from :)
 
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my definition of a low-life is not what you do
but how you treat others

to me a low life lies, cheats, and steals anything they can get thier hands on with no thought of the person they are taking from...thier victims aren't even an after thought

because someone is poor or poorly educated or live in a certain area does not make them a low life
a persons sexual preferneces does not make them a low life
same can be said for religeon, job, ect.....

this my opinion and one i will never change from :)
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I agree with you completely.
 
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