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Sosua is out of balance and needs ground rules to become once again a lively town.

How about a casino at the beach with a roller coaster at the top and one of those parachute rides?


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Sosua had turned into an anything goes town, where putas fighting it out for a client became the most casual of things on the streets.
ive never seen that, and wouldnt not call it an anything goes place.
that would be hedonism in jamaica, you wont see people having sex here.
 

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If you are to walk in Santiago, SD or any other spot you'll find all that's "offered" in Sosua (not beach though) but discreet!

Sosua had turned into an anything goes town, where putas fighting it out for a client became the most casual of things on the streets.

There's a balance for everything, as such this new administration is looking for a solution. Some actions will seem drastic and draconian at first, because they are! But once they find the effective balance to do it, things will go much smoother for all there.

Sosua is out of balance and needs ground rules to become once again a lively town.
Well stated Pichardo. I remember my first time visiting Time Square in the mid 80's. Dirty, filthy, sleazy and disgusting would best describe it. Then I started hearing about some crazy mayor named Guliani that actually planned on cleaning up the city. We all know how that silly plan worked out.
 

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If you are to walk in Santiago, SD or any other spot you'll find all that's "offered" in Sosua (not beach though) but discreet!

Sosua had turned into an anything goes town, where putas fighting it out for a client became the most casual of things on the streets.

There's a balance for everything, as such this new administration is looking for a solution. Some actions will seem drastic and draconian at first, because they are! But once they find the effective balance to do it, things will go much smoother for all there.

Sosua is out of balance and needs ground rules to become once again a lively town.

Having come to the Dominican Republic for the first time in 1991 and to Sosua I must say I have to agree with PICHARDO's post above.

The women back then were very sociable (even when not a customer), they dressed up in nice clothes, make-up, etc., to enjoy a night of dancing.

Yes, they did their trade when they could, but a night of dancing was also a pleasure to them.
You could sit down and just chat with them and enjoy their company as a new friend, not as a hooker.

Doing their business was not pushed upon you, they enjoyed being treated nice and spending time dancing with everyone.

jrhartley, you are taking PICHARDO's words too literally or strict in sense.
His point is well taken in my opinion.

I have been to Hedonism II many (15+/-) times in Jamaica, and have not seen people having sex there in the open as your remarks imply. That was in the late 80's, before I started coming to the DR, maybe it has changed.

Hedonism is for perverts. Couples...but perverts.
Another un-true statement.
Hedonism II is/was not a couple only place as you imply.


D in Santiago
 
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Times Square & Sosua

Well stated Pichardo. I remember my first time visiting Time Square in the mid 80's. Dirty, filthy, sleazy and disgusting would best describe it. Then I started hearing about some crazy mayor named Guliani that actually planned on cleaning up the city. We all know how that silly plan worked out.

Making the comparison of cleaning up Times Square in New York City with cleaning up Sosua in the Dominican Republic is ridiculous. These are two completely different animals. There is no comparison.
 
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If you are to walk in Santiago, SD or any other spot you'll find all that's "offered" in Sosua (not beach though) but discreet!

Sosua had turned into an anything goes town, where putas fighting it out for a client became the most casual of things on the streets.

There's a balance for everything, as such this new administration is looking for a solution. Some actions will seem drastic and draconian at first, because they are! But once they find the effective balance to do it, things will go much smoother for all there.

Sosua is out of balance and needs ground rules to become once again a lively town.

I agree... the time perspective is what is missing from people who bemoan the loss of the easy girls
 

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no doubt the mayor would be cheering you on with your talk... perhaps she's posting here under a pseudonym. good job and brilliant thinking, guys :tired:
What exactly did you expect?

DR1ers, on average, are not known to be the most positive people around. It's doom and gloom 24/7.

Come on CFA, let them doom and gloom themselves into oblivion gracefully. :cheeky:

I agree... the time perspective is what is missing from people who bemoan the loss of the easy girls
I say that applies to almost every 'bemoaning' that is done on DR1 by some folks.
 
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A visit to Sosua last weekend

Three Dominican friends (late 20/mid 30's semi-professional guys from Santiago & the capital) were in Cabarete this past weekend and though we usually go out in Cabarete, I suggested we go to Sosua for dinner for something different. Plus, I wanted to see how 'slow' things really were.

Went to Orchidae because I knew the food was good, but not expensive. Upon arrival, one of them looked at me and said discretely "why did you bring us here?". My response was that the food was good, and ultimately it was.

After dinner we all walked over to Pedro Clisante... passing by El Flow & then over to Rumba where we were to meet a friend of mine. Two of the guys wouldn't enter Rumba, one texting me that 'no offense, but I avoid places like this... I'm not going in there, but enjoy yourself'.

To keep the group together, I made apologies to the friend I was meeting at Rumba and the four of us left to return to Cabarete.

Anyhow, a couple of the comments from my friends:
  • "Sosua is supposed to be a tourist town, how can they have places like this? Rumba maybe, but El Flow, they don't have places and people this low class in my old neighborhood in the capital."
  • "You were right, the restaurant was good, but why do most of the restaurants in Sosua look like a cafeteria in a factory."

The discussion continued in a similar manner as we returned to Cabarete... how could a tourist town be so low class. They were disgusted by what they saw there. And that was on one of the first nights of the supposed 'clean up'.

I think that's the reaction of the majority of Dominicans... regardless of socio-economic position. A small minority support such things. Those of us that live in and around it become a little immune to it all over time & don't see it the way others do.
 
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Three Dominican friends (late 20/mid 30's semi-professional guys from Santiago & the capital) were in Cabarete this past weekend and though we usually go out in Cabarete, I suggested we go to Sosua for dinner for something different. Plus, I wanted to see how 'slow' things really were.

Went to Orchidae because I knew the food was good, but not expensive. Upon arrival, one of them looked at me and said discretely "why did you bring us here?". My response was that the food was good, and ultimately it was.

After dinner we all walked over to Pedro Clisante... passing by El Flow & then over to Rumba where we were to meet a friend of mine. Two of the guys wouldn't enter Rumba, one texting me that 'no offense, but I avoid places like this... I'm not going in there, but enjoy yourself'.

To keep the group together, I made apologies to the friend I was meeting at Rumba and the four of us left to return to Cabarete.

Anyhow, a couple of the comments from my friends:
  • "Sosua is supposed to be a tourist town, how can they have places like this? Rumba maybe, but El Flow, they don't have places and people this low class in my old neighborhood in the capital."
  • "You were right, the restaurant was good, but why do most of the restaurants in Sosua look like a cafeteria in a factory."

The discussion continued in a similar manner as we returned to Cabarete... how could a tourist town be so low class. They were disgusted by what they saw there. And that was on one of the first nights of the supposed 'clean up'.

I think that's the reaction of the majority of Dominicans... regardless of socio-economic position. A small minority support such things. Those of us that live in and around it become a little immune to it all over time & don't see it the way others do.

Except for 1 or 2, most of the places where it's a little raunchy are dominican owned and operated. Absolutly nothing wrong with Rumba, they do Karaoke and typico nights where several "medium class" Dominicans go. Sosua is a tourist town and that's what it is. Tonight there were a lot of people in the bars and for a pleasant change, no hookers walking the streets. There were several "ladies" in the bars but you could walk without being hassled. It's a step in the right direction and if it stays the way it is great. I can't post here what i think about the capitalenos. Tell your buddies to stay at home and sneak of to places worst than here in Stgo.
 
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kind of ironic... those who want Sosua to stay how it is are going to do the most to change it by staying away. they'd be better off organizing trips and filling up the planes to the north coast... trust me there'd be a handful of girls in town for each of them upon arrival.

instead they're individually and by group think deciding to stay away. that's what will change the town the quickest. if there's any 'golden goose' killing to go on, they'll be doing it

no doubt the mayor would be cheering you on with your talk... perhaps she's posting here under a pseudonym. good job and brilliant thinking, guys :tired:

CFA123 you hit the nail on the head.

Everybody is heading to other places and writing off Sosua after only a few days of the implementing of the mayor's or whoever's new plan?? Come on, now all of a sudden Boca Chica is revitalized and is going to rise out of the ashes to replace Sosua's lost tourism. Bavaro is going to be born as the new Sosua? I don't think so.

My post about "killing the goose that laid the golden eggs" was referring to what would happen if the mayor's or whoever's plan was to actually implement what was alluded to by DonDR in his or her post #72 and post #117. I gave my opinion of the results of such actions in my post #137.

Prostitution and Sosua as a tourist destination go hand in hand. Prostitution and the Dominican Republic as a tourist destination go hand in hand. It's just a fact. Good, bad or indifferent, that's just the way it is. But it is not prostitution, per se, that is Sosua's biggest problem. Sosua's most prosperous times were when Sosua was filled with prostitutes. Let me repeat that again, Sosua's most prosperous times were when Sosua was filled with prostitutes. Many, many times the amount of prostitutes that are currently plying their trade here in Sosua now. However, the atmosphere was entirely different.

Pedro Clisante was filled with bars and restaurants and discos. Starting from right on Sosua beach all the way to where the abandoned High Caribe Disco is. There was Marco Polo, Casablanca, Merengue Club, Baroque, Pyramida, Mosquito, Marinero, Moby Dick and many others just on Pedro Clisante alone. There was also Eddy's Bar, Copacabana and Casa del Sol (later known as Oxy-2) which were off of Pedro Clisante and many others. All these discos and clubs were filled with both prostitutes plying there trade, tourists and just regular local people, but in a much different atmosphere. Copacabana used to be open on Sunday afternoon for the locals who were not old enough to enter the other clubs that were open only at night, it was attended only by the locals of Sosua at that time.

There were also many times the number of hotel rooms available then, and there were times it was difficult to get a room without a reservation. The hotels were all over Sosua. The Nuevo Sol, Hotel Almendras, Coralillo, Waterfront, Yaroa, Garden Keti, Paradise, Costa Real, Esplanada, One Ocean Place, Casa Marina, Sosua by the Sea, Hotel Larimar, Woody's, Tamarindo, Sunshine Club, Sand Castle, etc., etc. All with decent occupancy percentages. All doing well back then.

Also the restaurants were always filled, I remember waiting for a table at the Morua Mai restaurant for over an hour, and at that time they were using both the main restaurant and the upper level. La Roca, PJ's, Waterfront and many others always doing a good business.

And all of this took place in the presence of many, many more prostitutes than are here in Sosua now. But this is definitely not the case now. Things have gotten way out of hand. Back then many of the clubs and bars were open 24 hours and there were very few problems.

Unfortunately Sosua has deterioirated from what it once was and there are many reasons. There has been a huge change in the tourism coming into Sosua, especially over the last 10-12 years. Unfortunately the internet is probably one of the main reasons for this. Sosua's fame or infamy for sex-tourism spread over the internet faster than free Presidente's at an all inclusive on a Sunday afternoon in Playa Dorada. This started a trend that, in my opinion, was the beginning of the downturn of Sosua. Sure there were many prostitutes but before the internet, sex-tourism was more of a by-product of tourism in Sosua, now it is practically the only product.

The proliferation of the local drug trade also has a lot to do with it. Crime as a whole really isn't that much of a problem but it is way more prevelant now then back then. Walking down Pedro Clisante back then was a completely different experience, one thousand times better than now. Back then you could walk along PC without having filthy crack-addict prostitutes grabbing at you as you entered a club to have a beer. You were never approached by anyone offering drugs, never. You never saw a wild, drunken prostitute threatening someone with a broken bottle. Sure things happened, it's the nature of the beast, but back then there was a climate of control that made a huge difference.

So here we are today with the mayor's or whoever's new initiative to "clean up" Sosua. Well hopefully this will all play out for the better, there are people in the mayor's office who know very well what Sosua was like back then. So maybe, and I"m being optimistic here, just maybe the intent is to get rid of some of the blatant filth that has ultimately infiltrated the streets of Sosua. If done correctly it would be a welcomed change. As long as they don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Let's face it Sosua is what it is. And hopefully Sosua can be what it once was. No not Disneyland or Six Flags, but the carribean town on the ocean in the Dominican Republic where things might be a little rough around the edges, but the beaches are beautiful, the weather is great, the women are beautiful and it all can be enjoyed by everyone for what it really is, nothing more, nothing less.
 

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I am curious. The so called "low life" that has been moved out of Sosua....where have they gone? Have they said, "oh well, I guess I will get off the drugs, go find a regular job and be good from now on"?
So, here we are. All cleaned up, attitudes of the dregs have changed. These people never needed the money, they were just doing whatever they were doing for fun. Maybe some needed the money but I am sure the government will just jump in and feed these people so they do not turn to a life of crime. Or is there some big carpet they have just swept them under.
Tourists will come and dance in the daisy's growing all around Sosua.
 

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CFA123 you hit the nail on the head.

Everybody is heading to other places and writing off Sosua after only a few days of the implementing of the mayor's or whoever's new plan?? Come on, now all of a sudden Boca Chica is revitalized and is going to rise out of the ashes to replace Sosua's lost tourism. Bavaro is going to be born as the new Sosua? I don't think so.

My post about "killing the goose that laid the golden eggs" was referring to what would happen if the mayor's or whoever's plan was to actually implement what was alluded to by DonDR in his or her post #72 and post #117. I gave my opinion of the results of such actions in my post #137.

Prostitution and Sosua as a tourist destination go hand in hand. Prostitution and the Dominican Republic as a tourist destination go hand in hand. It's just a fact. Good, bad or indifferent, that's just the way it is. But it is not prostitution, per se, that is Sosua's biggest problem. Sosua's most prosperous times were when Sosua was filled with prostitutes. Let me repeat that again, Sosua's most prosperous times were when Sosua was filled with prostitutes. Many, many times the amount of prostitutes that are currently plying their trade here in Sosua now. However, the atmosphere was entirely different.

Pedro Clisante was filled with bars and restaurants and discos. Starting from right on Sosua beach all the way to where the abandoned High Caribe Disco is. There was Marco Polo, Casablanca, Merengue Club, Baroque, Pyramida, Mosquito, Marinero, Moby Dick and many others just on Pedro Clisante alone. There was also Eddy's Bar, Copacabana and Casa del Sol (later known as Oxy-2) which were off of Pedro Clisante and many others. All these discos and clubs were filled with both prostitutes plying there trade, tourists and just regular local people, but in a much different atmosphere. Copacabana used to be open on Sunday afternoon for the locals who were not old enough to enter the other clubs that were open only at night, it was attended only by the locals of Sosua at that time.

There were also many times the number of hotel rooms available then, and there were times it was difficult to get a room without a reservation. The hotels were all over Sosua. The Nuevo Sol, Hotel Almendras, Coralillo, Waterfront, Yaroa, Garden Keti, Paradise, Costa Real, Esplanada, One Ocean Place, Casa Marina, Sosua by the Sea, Hotel Larimar, Woody's, Tamarindo, Sunshine Club, Sand Castle, etc., etc. All with decent occupancy percentages. All doing well back then.

Also the restaurants were always filled, I remember waiting for a table at the Morua Mai restaurant for over an hour, and at that time they were using both the main restaurant and the upper level. La Roca, PJ's, Waterfront and many others always doing a good business.

And all of this took place in the presence of many, many more prostitutes than are here in Sosua now. But this is definitely not the case now. Things have gotten way out of hand. Back then many of the clubs and bars were open 24 hours and there were very few problems.

Unfortunately Sosua has deterioirated from what it once was and there are many reasons. There has been a huge change in the tourism coming into Sosua, especially over the last 10-12 years. Unfortunately the internet is probably one of the main reasons for this. Sosua's fame or infamy for sex-tourism spread over the internet faster than free Presidente's at an all inclusive on a Sunday afternoon in Playa Dorada. This started a trend that, in my opinion, was the beginning of the downturn of Sosua. Sure there were many prostitutes but before the internet, sex-tourism was more of a by-product of tourism in Sosua, now it is practically the only product.

The proliferation of the local drug trade also has a lot to do with it. Crime as a whole really isn't that much of a problem but it is way more prevelant now then back then. Walking down Pedro Clisante back then was a completely different experience, one thousand times better than now. Back then you could walk along PC without having filthy crack-addict prostitutes grabbing at you as you entered a club to have a beer. You were never approached by anyone offering drugs, never. You never saw a wild, drunken prostitute threatening someone with a broken bottle. Sure things happened, it's the nature of the beast, but back then there was a climate of control that made a huge difference.

So here we are today with the mayor's or whoever's new initiative to "clean up" Sosua. Well hopefully this will all play out for the better, there are people in the mayor's office who know very well what Sosua was like back then. So maybe, and I"m being optimistic here, just maybe the intent is to get rid of some of the blatant filth that has ultimately infiltrated the streets of Sosua. If done correctly it would be a welcomed change. As long as they don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Let's face it Sosua is what it is. And hopefully Sosua can be what it once was. No not Disneyland or Six Flags, but the carribean town on the ocean in the Dominican Republic where things might be a little rough around the edges, but the beaches are beautiful, the weather is great, the women are beautiful and it all can be enjoyed by everyone for what it really is, nothing more, nothing less.

I usually don't quote long posts to save space but the above is one is exactly what happened/is happening and deserves it. Kudos.
 

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profit margins are low in the coastal towns ...hence everywhere looks like a cafeteria, pensioners dont want to pay city prices and would probably feel uncomfortable sitting in modern crome and glass surroundings eating miniscule food on a huge plate
 

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profit margins are low in the coastal towns ...hence everywhere looks like a cafeteria

It doesn't take too much to swap out plastic or cheap metal tables for something a little more creative & attractive. In Cabarete, a nearby coastal town, restaurants for the most part manage to avoid looking like cafeterias with a little creativity and not a tremendous amount of expense (or resorting to chrome and glass).

pensioners dont want to pay city prices and would probably feel uncomfortable sitting in modern crome and glass surroundings eating miniscule food on a huge plate

So, with the mayor's cleanup... Sosua is a niche vacation or retirement destination best left to those on a pension? Perhaps if the business owners slowly step things up just a notch or two it could be that and more?
 
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Sosua is resilient.

I think Sosua is a survivor. During the "dig up the streets" and "make every road impassable" campaign of the late '90's, almost everyone thought that the end of Sosua was certain. But even after months of blocked entrances by mounds of dirt and open 10 foot deep trenches (where careless motors and pedestrians alike would fall into) in the middle of the street, Sosua continued. It was a blow, but not fatal. I was sure that the town was a goner, but I was proved wrong. If anyone remembers that time, they will know what I mean.
 

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For people that stay in the communities of Seahorse, Perla, Lomas, Casa Linda, when they want to go out for dinner or drinks do you head north to Cabarete or south to Sosua? For my wife and I, Cabarete has more character, a more playful feel, and better ambiance to spend an evening out.

Generally we tend to go to Sosua during the day, have quick lunch and a drink or two spending about $20. In the evenings we will go to Cabarete, having drinks, dinner spending in the range of $60-$80. We would like to go to Sosua in the evenings but the feeling just isn't there for couples. So Cabarete gets most of our spending and it's same for most of our friends.

Until Sosua cleans itself up, it will limit itself as to the type of tourists that it will attract. Does it want the budget spender who wants $10 dinner in a cafeteria and cheap drinks or does it want the tourists willing to pay for what they see as a better experience?
 
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Don't think that singel guys only want cheap sex and cheap beer. I 've been there recently and spent a lot of money in restaurants and bars, of course, there are others, but i know 'cheap' couples aswell, staying in all inn, and not willing to spend money in town ... a single guy spends a lot of mony, so don't believe your story...
 
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