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Exxtol

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Race has EVERYTHING to do with it

wildnfree said:
Im white.

I have curly wavy hair. It is hard to manage. Thus I straighten it. And after it is straight, it stays in place, looks good and tidy. When it was curly, it would go wherever it wanted - no matter how much products I put in it.

I dont straighten it so people wont mistake me as african (which would never happen anyway) or cause I want to look like another ethnic group. It simply is easier to manage!


Please don't take this personally, but race has everything to do with it. I'm black--and in the black community we've got words for hair texture, skin color, features, etc--just like in the Dominican Republic--and there's definitely a reason for that.

And let me stress there is a MAJOR difference between curly/caucasian textured hair, and curly/african textured hair.
 

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Pelo malo is not pc, it makes you sound " ignorant, bias,and just plain stupid ". The adjective " malo" (bad) always connotes something negative, undesirable. Thus, it is not recommended to say such a thing as " pelo malo". That combination needs to get removed from daily speech forever !

This has been ingrained for centuries, so I guess it would be easier to get rid of all of mosquitoes first
Do you mean, ingrained in the same manner most Dominicans when they are sick they say "estoy malo"?

Or if they are beginning to get sick, they say "estoy un poco malo"?

Or when they try to tell you not to do something, they say "eso es malo"

Or when a road is in less than perfect conditions they say "la calle esta malisima"

Or when they can't get their hair to a particular hair style, they say "este pelo es malo"

Like that?

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Exxtol said:
Please don't take this personally, but race has everything to do with it. I'm black--and in the black community we've got words for hair texture, skin color, features, etc--just like in the Dominican Republic--and there's definitely a reason for that.

And let me stress there is a MAJOR difference between curly/caucasian textured hair, and curly/african textured hair.
Do you mean in the same way in Rhuwanda the people there divide themselves among Hutus and Tutis?

They have been doing that since the Tutis invaded the Hutus hundreds of years before the Europeans arrived to sub-saharan africa.

Do you mean a reason similar to one's behind the hutus and tutis division?

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There?s nothing particularly ethnic about hair morphology. White hair can be ?kinky? (or ?malo?), and black hair can be ?straight? (or ?bueno?). There are varying degrees of ?malo-ness? and ?bueno-ness? concerning hair. The shape of hair follicles can range from ?very mucho bueno?, which has an almost perfectly circular cross-section, to ?very mucho malo?, which has a very elliptical (almost flat) cross-section.
 

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Nal0whs said:
Do you mean in the same way in Rhuwanda the people there divide themselves among Hutus and Tutis?

They have been doing that since the Tutis invaded the Hutus hundreds of years before the Europeans arrived to sub-saharan africa.

Do you mean a reason similar to one's behind the hutus and tutis division?

-NAL


No i do not mean it in that way, nor do i mean it in the same way the West Africans of the African Diaspora were able to tell what land their fellow bondsmen came from, on the way to the "New World". Bearing witness to differences in your fellow man is one thing--attaching positive/negative connotations to physical features is another. What i meant was in the AA community we have the "good/bad hair", the "fine/good features" etc, etc. And fyi, the superficial differences shared between the Tutsi and the Hutus was not an issue until Belgian occupation and colonialism.
 

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So much BS flying around. can we simply cut out the BS and see the real point?
Its all too simple: being fat is malo (and yes, you maybe born that way genetically).
if you are short in height = malo and you will have a complex.
if you have scars, pimples on your skin, its malo.
if you are a woman who look like celia cruz, need I say anymore? Hahahaha
if you are a woman and look like venessa williams, then we have no problems, or do we? Hahahaha, so simple to follow.
If you are cute and have wavy hair, does anyone complain?
if you are cute and have afro kinky hair that can't be manageable, what does it mean? It mean you are screwed, you would have to go to salon to match your hair with your fine features of your face.
now if you look like a woman from national geographic magazine and have bad hair, then there is nothing much you can do, it fits you well.
Look at all the black men in USA or around the world, what type of a woman they seek? Do they all seek a woman who seems like a woman from sahara desert, living in mud houses or a dark skined fine featured latina? I guess we all know what the real truth is.
Pelo malo es malo and malo because its malo. So don't try to sugarcoat it. if it were so great to have african hair, every straight hair woman would be going to salon every week to have them kinky (not wavy or curly) but african kinky. Its not the case. Black guys have to almost shave their heads to hide their pelo malo, all over the world.
I wouldn't want to be born with pelo malo if I were to come back as a human being after I die. I would rather like to come back to this earth looking like chayanne or maybe imran khan ( pakistani criket player). No one wants to come back as a haitian worker or a mexican (indian looking peasant).
Ok, I am a bad guy, lets go back to being politically correct. My bad.
I am racist... yeah yeah yeah.
AZB
 

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Exxtol said:
No i do not mean it in that way, nor do i mean it in the same way the West Africans of the African Diaspora were able to tell what land their fellow bondsmen came from, on the way to the "New World". Bearing witness to differences in your fellow man is one thing--attaching positive/negative connotations to physical features is another. What i meant was in the AA community we have the "good/bad hair", the "fine/good features" etc, etc. And fyi, the superficial differences shared between the Tutsi and the Hutus was not an issue until Belgian occupation and colonialism.
Ok, thanks for clarifying.

And about the Hutus and Tutsi, actually they had been under tension well before any european had seen sub-saharan Africa.

When the Tutsi (who are tall and cow hearders) conquered the Hutus (who are short and farmers), the Tutsi dominated the region today known as Rhuwanda. Among Africans of that region, Cows were used as Currency and were hardly eaten, the Tutsi being tall and cow hearders were seen as wealthier and more powerful by themselves and the Hutus. The Hutus, being short and farmers were seen as weak and poor and they were subjugated to Tutsi rule.

When the Belgians arrived to that region, they simply continued that same social structure (Tutsi on top, Hutu on bottom) until Rhwanda gain its independence in the mid-1900s. From that time period onward, there have been periodic struggle for power from the Hutus against the Tutsi.

All that struggle exploded in the early 1990s with the Rhwanda Genocide where millions of Tutsi were slaughter by the Hutus and also, some Hutus were killed by the Tutsi.

Today, Rhwanda (and neighboring Congo) is infiltrated with the now adults who were the children who lived through that ordeal and they are armed, filled with distrust and hate towards each other and ready for a new battle. Women are still being raped, men are still dissapearing, and the world looks the other way or focuses on small caribbean countries where things are rather calm, especially compared to those Central African nation.

BTW, research the history of Hutus and Tutsi, its written in many encyclopedia and sources. So far, the only people who keep blaming the european for that extremely old African problem have been afro-americans and I don't really know why this is the case, but I can only speculate.

-NAL

EXTRA: Notice one thing, the Hutus were in Rhwanda first, the Tutsi conquered them. Hundred of years later (in mid-1900s) the Hutus tried to regain control of their area away from the Tutsi. In the early 1990s, the Hutus commit the genocide against the Tutsi.

Now look at this, the world today looks at the Hutus with a negative note, and feeling bad towards the suffering Tutsi. Who is the international community condeming?

The Hutus are getting condemned and demonized for killing the Tutsi.

Originally, who were the inhabitants of the Rhwanda area? The Hutus.

Hutus are being cursed for letting foreigners invade them in the beginning. Now, they lose their control of their land, and support globally.

All of this makes me feel bad for the Hutus, more so than the Tutsi. Why?

That land belongs to the Hutus, they were there first, but that is just my opinion based on historical facts.

One can almost apply the samething to Dominicans and Haitians. Dessalines created what basically was a genocide against Dominicans during his invasion where Moca, Santiago, and other Cibao towns were completely slaughtered. Years later, during the Trujillo dictatorship, tens of thousands of Haitians were slaughtered by a regime supported by some of the most powerful countries on earth.

Organizations the world over now look at the Dominicans with slight distrust based on the Haitians slaughtered in the 1930s, and there is almost a complete absense of the much bigger (percentage wise) dominican genocide created by Dessalines army in the 1800s.

Now, back to topic.
 
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Nal0whs said:
Ok, thanks for clarifying.

And about the Hutus and Tutsi, actually they had been under tension well before any european had seen sub-saharan Africa.

When the Tutsi (who are tall and cow hearders) conquered the Hutus (who are short and farmers), the Tutsi dominated the region today known as Rhuwanda. Among Africans of that region, Cows were used as Currency and were hardly eaten, the Tutsi being tall and cow hearders were seen as wealthier and more powerful by themselves and the Hutus. The Hutus, being short and farmers were seen as weak and poor and they were subjugated to Tutsi rule.

When the Belgians arrived to that region, they simply continued that same social structure (Tutsi on top, Hutu on bottom) until Rhwanda gain its independence in the mid-1900s. From that time period onward, there have been periodic struggle for power from the Hutus against the Tutsi.

All that struggle exploded in the early 1990s with the Rhwanda Genocide where millions of Tutsi were slaughter by the Hutus and also, some Hutus were killed by the Tutsi.

Today, Rhwanda (and neighboring Congo) is infiltrated with the now adults who were the children who lived through that ordeal and they are armed, filled with distrust and hate towards each other and ready for a new battle. Women are still being raped, men are still dissapearing, and the world looks the other way or focuses on small caribbean countries where things are rather calm, especially compared to those Central African nation.

BTW, research the history of Hutus and Tutsi, its written in many encyclopedia and sources. So far, the only people who keep blaming the european for that extremely old African problem have been afro-americans and I don't really know why this is the case, but I can only speculate.

-NAL

EXTRA: Notice one thing, the Hutus were in Rhwanda first, the Tutsi conquered them. Hundred of years later (in mid-1900s) the Hutus tried to regain control of their area away from the Tutsi. In the early 1990s, the Hutus commit the genocide against the Tutsi.

Now look at this, the world today looks at the Hutus with a negative note, and feeling bad towards the suffering Tutsi. Who is the international community condeming?

The Hutus are getting condemned and demonized for killing the Tutsi.

Originally, who were the inhabitants of the Rhwanda area? The Hutus.

Hutus are being cursed for letting foreigners invade them in the beginning. Now, they lose their control of their land, and support globally.

All of this makes me feel bad for the Hutus, more so than the Tutsi. Why?

That land belongs to the Hutus, they were there first, but that is just my opinion based on historical facts.

One can almost apply the samething to Dominicans and Haitians. Dessalines created what basically was a genocide against Dominicans during his invasion where Moca, Santiago, and other Cibao towns were completely slaughtered. Years later, during the Trujillo dictatorship, tens of thousands of Haitians were slaughtered by a regime supported by some of the most powerful countries on earth.

Organizations the world over now look at the Dominicans with slight distrust based on the Haitians slaughtered in the 1930s, and there is almost a complete absense of the much bigger (percentage wise) dominican genocide created by Dessalines army in the 1800s.

Now, back to topic.


Nals,

I am not going to argue with you. Your information is inaccurate. I know the history of the Tutsi's and Hutu's very well. Additionally, I have sources to back my statements. PM me if you'd like.
 

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Nals,

I am not going to argue with you. Your information is inaccurate. I know the history of the Tutsi's and Hutu's very well. Additionally, I have sources to back my statements. PM me if you'd like.

Here are a couple of sources.

WARNING: The information on these sources may be too harsh for some people. Please be aware of this, although its real history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda/History

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda_genocide

And to make this DR related,

The correlation between the slight anti-hutu global view towards the situation in Rwanda and the (one could say) doubt that shreds over Dominicans from the international community when it comes to the migration problem.

This is a primary reason why foreigners and dominicans who live abroad feel the need to "change" certain terminology such as the word "malo" out of the Dominican speech pattern. Suddenly, being Dominican is wrong, but all other peoples must be right, especially if they got a globally dominant economy, a very strong army, and a heavy influence over tiny countries, like the DR.

-NAL

BTW, I will not PM you, I am pretty confident of the information I have amassed regarding the African issue, through various sources, some online others not online. However, if you still feel that my information contradicts yours, then PM me.
 
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reaching a consensus...

I think the only thing we can all agree on here is that
A. AZB is an idiot and that &
B. everybody has "pelo malo" (down there ;) that is) hehehe

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Yari said:
I think the only thing we can all agree on here is that
A. AZB is an idiot and that &
B. everybody has "pelo malo" (down there ;) that is) hehehe

yari
The consensus is this:

People refer to "pelo malo" as a way of identifying what otherwise is a very stubborn hair, regarding certain hair styles.

Pelo malo is not about demonizing anything.

Ok, so let's say you have pelo malo, will that cause trauma in you? I don't think so, until its time to do one of those elaborate hair styles that requires straight soft hair. But, do you have to do such hair styles? I don't think so.

Do the hair styles that look best on you and that goes with the occasion.

Some women look very nice with curly hair, others look nice with straight hair. Yes, nappy hair I don't find particularly attractive, but there probably is some hair style that conforms to such hair textures that would enhance whatever beauty is hidden in that particular type of hair.

It's like taking a female face, with a little make up, all women look beautiful.

In my opinion, that is all that there is to all of this hair thing. Everything else is just conversation.

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Versatile 'pelo malo'

As for pelo malo, its only my pelo malo that can be straight after being tortured in a dominican salon, wavy if I put rollers in it, short, long, nappy the way my mama gave it to me, corn-rowed without looking ridiculous like a mzungu in braids, braided, plaited, tonged, beaded, painted with red soil etc.

I dare any one of you to try any given three of the above and not look like something the cat dragged-in!!!!!

Nals, going at it again, being the know it all on african history and how it supports his twisted theories. You make me laugh...........watch out, there are many hutus and tutsis in the DR these days, you may just get hut-tutsied!And for christs sake, if you are going to be the expert on central africa, please try to spell the countries name correctly!
 

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atienoor said:
Nals, going at it again, being the know it all on african history and how it supports his twisted theories. You make me laugh...........watch out, there are many hutus and tutsis in the DR these days, you may just get hut-tutsied!And for christs sake, if you are going to be the expert on central africa, please try to spell the countries name correctly!
Quote me ever stating that "I know everything about Africa".

All I remember is stating "as far as I know" or "to my understanding", are those the words of a know it all?

Or am I twisting a few nerves?

And then the question is why are those nerves being twisted?

Hmm...

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Nal0whs said:
The consensus is this:

People refer to "pelo malo" as a way of identifying what otherwise is a very stubborn hair, regarding certain hair styles.
-NAL

Although I know this is futile with you, the whole point should be--why isn't straight, "pelo bueno" identified as being "stubborn and unmanageable" when it comes to hairstyles such as braids, locks, dreads, twists, cornrows, or the many other hairstyles where straight hair is typically ill-suited? Why isn't it disparaged or considered undesirable in that sense? In my opinion,you're still looking at hair from a european perspective.
 

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So what?

So we have a european hair-type that is our standard of 'beauty'. There has to be SOME standard. If it wasnt euro hair, it be some other type - and people without that type would be bitching here too.

So who cares? In a perfect world there would be no ugly, no standard. But I guess something has to take that role. Like i said, if it wasnt straight hair it would be something else. And then people with st8 hair would bitch.
 

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Lets take a census: how many people would rather have kids with pelo malo vs. pelo bueno. Hahahahahaha
You people with pelo malo are simply making rediculous points. No matter how you stir the pot, you will still have pelo malo today and tomorrow. So be proud of it becuase it will be in your future generation for a long time to come.
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AZB said:
Lets take a census: how many people would rather have kids with pelo malo vs. pelo bueno. Hahahahahaha
You people with pelo malo are simply making rediculous points. No matter how you stir the pot, you will still have pelo malo today and tomorrow. So be proud of it becuase it will be in your future generation for a long time to come.
AZB

Actually, 'pelo malo' is a dominant genetic trait, while 'pelo bueno' is recessive, which means that the offsprings of a 'pelo malo' and a 'pelo bueno' couple will have about 80% of their children with 'pelo malo'. Eventually, the entire world will have 'pelo malo', maybe excluding the Chinese, if they don't jump in the mestizaje bandwagon, and insist on the 'purity' of their genes, which in the end will dissapear, because nature favors genetic diversity...
 

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question?

AZB said:
I wouldn't want to be born with pelo malo if I were to come back as a human being after I die. I would rather like to come back to this earth looking like chayanne or maybe imran khan ( pakistani criket player). AZB
Question for AZB,
Would you rather come back as a comfortably living middle-class blackman with pelo malo or come back as a "chayanne/imran khan" pelo bueno living in Poverty??
 

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hmmm

For me it is a matter of "you always want what you dont have"... AND/OR comfort "some hair types are more manageable"... AND/OR looks/fashion "there are some hair style/colors that make us girls look much better".

It applies to almost everything in life, not just hair, and has nothing to do with race or social status.

Back in the 80's I permed my hair trying to make it look curly. It looked great for about 3 months but took almost 2 years to recover the damage. I swore I would never do anything like that again. Then, here in DR, I fell in the highlights trap... lol... 2 years later I still color my hair... am I trying to be european or gringa? hell no! It just looks great, and my fiance loves it. :D

Jess
 

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wildnfree said:
So what?

So we have a european hair-type that is our standard of 'beauty'. There has to be SOME standard. If it wasnt euro hair, it be some other type - and people without that type would be bitching here too.


That's just it--there DOESN'T, nor should there be any type of standard--we humans are always trying to create a standard or put something in a box, because we are too narrow-minded to think outside of one.
 
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