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linamia

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Re: Dominicanos tan malos...

Walker,

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!! BRAVO!!!!!!!!!
Estaremos eternamente agradecido NO?
Sabes cuando uno senala con un dedo quedan cuatro senalando a uno.
 
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DR-VETERAN

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Re: DR-Veteran/Big Daddy and Duarte

of course i am repeating my self as i don't get an answer by our specialist.
also did not get an exact answer from you just general knowledge which i happen to have also.believe it or not.
the reality of the labormarket is a lot different than most of you can see or know.no matter of what the theory or even practice says.i live it every day,i hear it every day and i see it every day.

that i do know the value of good employees you can read in an earlier post where i mentioned that i just employed an dominican with a starting salary of rd$ 15,000,00.now why do you believe this is?
because i know his working record personally.i know his capacity and knowledge and he is exactly the right person at the right time.
i bet he will be making at the end of the year around rd$ 25,000,00.how about that?i can also tell you that he is so qualified for the post that i don't see any foreigner being able to challenge his position.not even our friend duarte.sorry catherine keep on looking.
besides for this there is no need of mortgaging the hamburger stand as this is being paid from the small change.
ah, one more thing.if the rest of the work force would be as good and reliable as him this country would be in terrefic shape.
 
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Amy

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Re: These posts are WAY too hard on the DR people!

Way to go, Linamia! :)
 
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jane

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Re: These posts are WAY too hard on the DR people!

Donald, you are very wise! I agree that the tourists sometimes add to the problems. One example is by encouraging & enabling prostitution. It would certainly exist regardless, but every time I see tourists contributing to this exploitation it makes me sick. I have been all over the Dominican Republic & it is a fact that the majority of the people are good, hard-working folks just trying to survive from day to day. They love their families & would share with a stranger what little they have.
And for all of you that see nothing but bad in this country & it's people... why are you even here? Go back to your own countries & mind your own business.
 
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jane

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Re: Bunch of lazy Dominicans...read on

Duarte, my friend, you speak the truth!!!!
 
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CES

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Re: HB's post explains an awful lot to me!!

~ DR1 Daily News ~

Thursday, 29 March 2001

Central Bank confirms sale of Hotel Hispaniola The Central Bank confirmed the sale of the Hotel Hispaniola to Palmeras Dominicanas for US$18 million. US$1.5 million of that was paid to the Corporaci?n Hotelera to release the 25 years pending on its contract to operate the hotel. The Bank said the sale of the hotel was a process dating back to 1998 and is part of the resolution of the Monetary Junta that required the bank to divest itself of its real estate and other property that are not in agreement with its essence as a Central Bank.

>>>***Furthermore, the Central Bank confirmed 400 employees had been let go, mostly persons of lower levels. The lay offs were said to be due to the excess number of employees. The Bank says the levels of employees had reached 3,000, when the Central Bank of Chile operates with only 587 employees.**<<<

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The above news article, I think, is just one example of the complete lack of accountability in the way the government and some large corporations conduct their affairs. This scandalous behavior can only have a negative impact on the rest of business world (in the DR) and the way *some* Dominicans view the work place.

Regards,

. . . CES
 
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DR-VETERAN

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Re: poor dominicans?

well if i had absolutly no income,be on my last couple of dimes and no other work in sight i guess i had to work for rd$ 4,000 just to get by a little.this would not cover all my personal needs but at least provide for bare necesities.
this job again would bring me in to circulation where i may could find a better job and start improving myself again.
how about you?duarte?

this i believe beats hanging around doing nothing all day,being bored, speaking all day on the telephone,chatting with neighbors how bad everything is.talking about how nice it would be going on a yola to "paradise" etc.if i only had the money for this.

now another thing i forgot to mention is that all of the 25 people that showed up had salaries not topping rd$ 3,000,00 before, working for dominican companies.why do i as foreigner have to pay substantially more?if 4,000,00 is not enough how much is?how much more quality and loyalty do i get?

do you get your bosses salary when you start new in a company?i guess not.you start way down (wherever this may be) and have to work yourself up.
these 6 did not even try to start and work their way up or in any direction.

many of these youngsters will only wait to marry somebody have children and keep living in their selfmade (semi)misery.
and if so than deserve every minute of it.

minimum salary has now been raised to around rd$2050,- 3,500,00 per month starting now.so even before this i offered more.but as is i said 2nd and 3rd grade quality.sirve para nada.maybe a few exceptions but very hard to find.
like it or not it's a reality.
 
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linamia

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Re: poor dominicans?

Dr Veteran,

I am curious to know the nature of your business. Also what do you say of the people that yes are lacking education but get up every morning to sell cafecito gengibre yaniqueque etc. etc. and selling this minimal necessities manage to maintain a family and have whatever they need not whatever outsiders think that they need. What do you say about people like this who manage to have their own small business one day from selling cafecitos etc?

What I am trying to say DR V is that there are tons of hard working people with lots of innovative ideas in my country you may have a hard time finding them maybe you are not offering what they want. Do you think maybe just maybe they are not interested in your business? I will not let you put down my race as lazy people because you are dangling a carrot in front of our noses and we are not biting.

Please try to meet different people and interact with different classes so that you can see the difference between lazy and inventive hardworking and others who want to take advantage do not generalized us until you know us and know our history if you feel this way maybe you should just lease where you can get hard working people.
 
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DR-VETERAN

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Re: poor dominicans?

please grant me that i have a few years of experience here with employees.i believe my postings have not been generalized but have stated the experience of this particular case.nothing more nothing less.
now to the people you refer to in your post there is nothing to say except a positive comment.the difference to the the people who don't work they do work and try to make a living and keep their bit of economy going.but also to many who only work for el plato del dia and nothing more.if everybody would be doing his/her share the country again would be in a better different shape.

i did not use or state the word lazy.this has been printed by somebody else.i also did not make any racial comments so there is no putdown on this part.unless you have a closer explanation to what you refer to.
maybe saying the truth can be regarded as such but the truth is the truth.y la verdad aveces duele.
if you apply for a job and you don't like it you normaly say so that you don't want it.correct?at least that is what an employer would and can expect.especially after you have been asked if you are satisfied with conditions,salary etc. and have stated yes.so why say yes when you mean no?no matter what the reason. second thoughts?so call and let him know of change of opinion,but don't wait untill working day starts and be a no show.
why damage a business with a false statement or lie or personal inability of saying no.
saying yes and not showing up is damage due to loss of time as start of work or operation is delayed,start again looking for new people runnung ads etc.imagine this doing to a zona franca company.but being well adapted and prepared to the everyday reality it did not really hurt me.only renewed prior negative experiences.
what do you do if you are out of work and find a job you don't like?keep looking until the job of your dreams drops into your lap?pure luxury!what if this job never comes?you will never work.

also read my other statements if you have not done so, so far.IT IS NOT JUST ME!!!there are many dominican businessmen, your people, your race who have the same problems with their own people, own race as i and others do.
so it's not a matter of cultural differences it's not a matter of misunderstandings it's more a matter of character, personal and work ethics.
i suggest that you open a small or bigger business employ some people and you find out yourself.once you stand on this side of the fence you propably get a different vision on this kind of matter.let us know your experiences.

regarding history.your people have messed up a couple of times missing some good turns into the future.last time was 7 month ago.at least that what your people tell me.is this knowledge correct?
 
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Tom

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Re: poor dominicans?

DR Veteran

You continually state that you experience a qualified labor shortage; what type of business do you operate that experiences this?

Tom
 
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DR-VETERAN

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Re: poor dominicans?

sales of everyday consumer products.no food and medication.
 
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linamia

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Re: poor dominicans?

Dr. V,

First let me tell you that I do not live in DR nor have I lived there for a very long time. I live in NY and I am a professional here (you see I have taken advantage of the American dream) yet I am part owner of a small business in Santo Domingo and have never had problems with the employees there I have hard working people that are willing to but in 100% ,however, we give them 100% as well. We make sure that they are happy so that we can be happy. I have found that you can not expect the work habits of Americanos please understand that most Americans identify themselves by their work, My people do not, their life is less complicated and more easy going.

I can see your point of view about not getting people that are committed, are you aware that lots of people come to Dr and try to swindle people that a lot of sales job turn into other things and that the DR mentality is always be skeptical of the things that are too good to believe (that does not excuse not letting you know that they will not come in work, but it should give you a little understanding of my people.

Dices que la verdad abec?s duele si es cierto abec?s duele pero te aseguro que tu verdad y la mi no coinciden pues yo conozco mucha gentes dominicanos dispuestos a ganarse la vida honradamente.

Don?t let a few bad apple spoil the orchard, keep looking maybe instead of placing ad you should try recommendations. Suerte con la hornada
 
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DR-VETERAN

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Re: poor dominicans?

good to hear that you seem to have one of the better employees.
if you say you pay 100% and do everything to make him/her happy.
what do you do to make the employee happy and how much do you pay.
i hope you don't mind the questions.

working with recomandations.sometimes you can sometimes you can't.you know the friends always promote the friends.i know "fulano" a long time.he is a good worker has knowledge and has been working for this company for a long time.man i am telling you for a long time.
well comes to be that a long time was 6 month and he got kicked out for constantly being late.instead of hard working he seemed to be in the easy going mode that sais kiss my butt i don't care as long as you pay me.if you don't i run to the secretario the trabajo and raise hell.
sounds familiar?

anyway i am very well acustomed to the mentality that i do take these things in the same easy going and kiss my butt mode.works for me and gives me the cutting edge.

about people coming to dr to swindle dominicans.it happens from time to time but there are more people here swindling to unexpecting and trusting visitors and investors as the other way around.once the visitor/investor is aware of these negative customs it almost becomes impossible.
 
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Juliana

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Re: Catherine

I think exactly like you, I am moving to DR in 3 months, and I don't care about the money, I am going there, because the people are so warm and I love this country very much. Every time I go to the DR, I live with a family there and now I am going for a very long time and I will stay with them. They love the life that they have even if they are not the richer people in the world. They work very hard, they are not lazy people like some people said here...If the people are not happy about the people in DR, I don'T know why you take your vacations there, go somewhere else or just stay in Your Country. Because the Dominicans don't need you there!!! They don't need tourists like you there, if you don't like them, just stay in your house! Catherine, I am happy that they are other people that they think the same think as me!
I just want to help them as much as I can! Anyway, the Dominicans are very nice people, there's good and bad people in every country. But the Dominicans have very good values!
 
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