Prostitution study

Manzana

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Note the breakdown of who the abusers are.

"The women told the researchers that 68% had been physically abused. Twenty-three per cent said they had been mistreated by clients, 25% by their parents and 51% by their former spouse.
63% said they had been arrested by the police, even though there is no law against prostitution in the DR. A total of 48% said they were physically mistreated when in police custody, 38% say they were sexually abused, and 40% say they were robbed."

They were LEAST abused by clients. MORE likely to have been abused by parents, spouses or the police. 68% said they had been abused but only 23% by a client. Considering that the number of opportunities for abuse by a client is likely much higher, this would seem to be a ringing endorsement of the character of men who are clients of prostitutes. Based on this, a girl feels much more secure with a random guy paying her for sex than with the police, her own spouse , or her own parents.
 

Chirimoya

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Or, if you grow up/live in an abusive environment, you are likely to suffer low-self esteem, do badly at school, and end up as a prostitute?
 
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Considering that the number of opportunities for abuse by a client is likely much higher,

this would seem to be a ringing endorsement of the character of men who are clients of prostitutes. .

a ringing endorsment!!!!.......... ha ha....I have a feeling this is going to be a good day

I used to brag about..."I HARDLY ever hit my wife" do i get a star or something !! hja ha ha ha

bad bad bob
 

Manzana

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Maybe

Or, if you grow up/live in an abusive environment, you are likely to suffer low-self esteem, do badly at school, and end up as a prostitute?

Or. once you become a prostitute, your chulo, the police and even your own family abuse you and steal from you (and sometimes to a lesser extent clients do too)?
 

Manzana

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A star for laurapasinfan

a ringing endorsment!!!!.......... ha ha....I have a feeling this is going to be a good day

I used to brag about..."I HARDLY ever hit my wife" do i get a star or something !! hja ha ha ha

bad bad bob

You hereby get a special commendation for hitting your wife less than everybody else hits her.
 

pedrochemical

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Statistics are wonderful things -
E.G>
20% of all traffic accidents involve drivers who have been boozing.
That means 80% of traffic accidents are caused by people who are totally sober!!
I think the law should insist that you drink before you get behind the wheel of a car!!!

You have to be careful how you read statistics.
Good observations though, Manzana.
 

Chirimoya

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Or. once you become a prostitute, your chulo, the police and even your own family abuse you and steal from you (and sometimes to a lesser extent clients do too)?
Yes. If you are a prostitute the odds are that you are living in a less than ideal environment.
 

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I believe most sex workers enter that sector of the economy out of necessity and many have been sexually abused as children and this makes it easier for them to offer up their bodies as a commodity. There are some who as AZB stated like the easy money and would not leave it for a low paying job. Are there even any low paying jobs for them to enter into? That's the crux of the problem, economic development in the DR. It's been too focused on tourism in my opinion. I think what is missing from the report is what percentage of the Dominican GDP comes from this sector of the economy. Has any one ever published an estimate of that? We have an idea of what comes from remittances abroad, any estimate of the contribution of the sex industry to the economy?
 

AZB

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"i think most will come back to being a hooker if they have to sweat one bit doing any hard work. I have endless examples of this."

The difference between a scientific study, which has been properly conducted and appropriately peer-reviewed, and the stated opinion of someone telling of the 'many' examples he has seen is so vastly incongruous, it is ridiculous to even consider such a comparison, and in fact, there is none.

There is nothing wrong with personal opinion, much of it is based on very real personal experience, and there is also nothing wrong with presenting anecdotal evidence, or the stories someone has told to you, as long as people understand that this type of evidence is extremely biased, limited, and unverifiable.

There is a huge problem when someone uses personal opinion and anecdotal evidence to persuade others to reach certain conclusions, and in an attempt to discredit a valid scientific study.

There is no verifiable methodology when forming personal opinions, any fool can do it. But it takes time, effort, and professional overview to conduct a valid study.

Obviously, some people prefer opinions over studies because it is the easier of the two approaches. But consider which of the two is more valuable, and which is more likely to reflect a more accurate reflection of reality.

Try to put it in terms of, oh say, your own medical care. Would you prefer to take the prescribed course of treatment based on an uninformed opinion, or would you rather base your choice of treatment on scientifically proven medical practice?

It is completely up to each individual to decide for themselves, but in terms of which approach is a preferable reference for an informed discussion, I think the evidence is fairly overwhelming,

Its obvious that you are so blinded by hatred for AZB that are compelled to write post that makes you look like a complete idiot.
First of all, taking interviews of hookers off the street is by no means a scientific study. Its only invented truth of a hooker who will tell you whatever you want to hear to hide her face. Now we have come to a time where the hooker's words are more valuable than the people who watch them in action for so many years. My views are considered opinions and a hooker's views are considered scientific study. yeah right.
Let me tell you what the hookers don't tell you.
Its true some are abused and some are pulled into this profession not by choice but by force. But this is DR, not some dark country where women are kidnapped and sold to predators (example india).

The hookers i am talking about are the real hookers you see in sosua and puerto plata, the same that were interviewed. Seems like you really have no clue of anything here except the prices of cuba libre. The more I read your posts, the more I see how ignorant you are of what goes on around you. I bet you only stay in sosua when you visit DR.
here is the real deal:
many of these women are not such saints. They start out hooking when they are young. Coming from dirt poor barrios where the dead end poverty culture rules. The profession is handed down from mom to older daughter to younger daughter. these girls start to sleep with young tigres when they are as young as 12. Why is it you see so many young girls in puerto plata and sosua with caps and hats? many are bald, hair shaven off by police when minors are picked up for hooking. This is to show she is a minor and she was hooking and got arrested. I bet you didn't know that genious. Surprising enough, these girls are let out at night by their moms; oh and moms are also going out with different guys everyday. Aunts don't stay behind.
Then the girls have babies with loser who will never support them. Bingo! Now they have a reason to sell their bodies. Guys like you buy into these stories. They start out as weekend hookers and make friends with other hookers. if she in young with model body and some elegant looks, she is taken into a different direction by people. She gets to be taken out on yachts and planes to bavaro and samana for weekends. If she is a fat out of shape woman, she stays in bars to be taken out by drunk guys to hotels. The reason why some girls get abused by clients is because either the client is a jerk or they steal from the client. This is so common that I feel awkward just telling you all this. The girls steal from clients or don't perform what they promise. In the end, client is separated from his money or other valuable items. Some times they rob the wrong guy and get beat up. You don't believe me, just ask a police man in that area. He knows who is who.
Often times they meet a sucker who falls in love with them. A guy like you who believes her story and decides to save her soul. Hahahaha. I can imagine maybe 1% of the girls really do change their lives but the rest are not so simple. Remember, they are coming from a barrio dead end culture where the name of the game is survival. She will suck the man's wallet dry and keep asking for more. While he is in USA processing her papers, she is sleeping with guys here and there. They always have fixed clients from various countries and a few chulos in her barrio or campo. The sex cycle never ends. these girls have sex as we have lunch. They have no concept of real work. real work is for stupids who don't know how easy it is to make 2K just by sleeping with a man. This is their thinking. Obviously you don't speak spanish so you will never understand when you hear them talk.
All girls tell you they are doing this for their kid's sake and if they can find a way out, they will not do this any more. yet you hear stories of guys like badpiece who is snatching recent arrivals of dominican girls from barrios to NY. These girls are married yet they still sleep with him and his friends. These girls may not even be hookers but just imagine what a hooker is capable of doing? I have seen many many girls who have found good men to support them, yet some how you still see them doing private chica beeper work on the side.
I am beginning to feel stupid writing this stuff to convince you. You are a bottomless pit. You have so much to learn. The sad part is, there are so many more suckers like you who have no clue as to what is going on around them.
I often say to myself , i should not even bother with people like you who have no clue as to what they are talking about. But then i have to prevent other people listening to you and paying a heavier price later on. You offer no service to these new comers. You are just confusing them more, letting them fall into the trap.
Scientific study, my ass. Lets talk about real experiences and hear form people who have real knowledge of these cultures. I am very good at observing people. I always make sure I know what is happening all around me. Guys like you are only learning everything for the first time, even when you are 60 yrs old. sad isn't it?
AZB
 

Berzin

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The difference between a scientific study, which has been properly conducted and appropriately peer-reviewed, and the stated opinion of someone telling of the 'many' examples he has seen is so vastly incongruous, it is ridiculous to even consider such a comparison, and in fact, there is none.

There is nothing wrong with personal opinion, much of it is based on very real personal experience, and there is also nothing wrong with presenting anecdotal evidence, or the stories someone has told to you, as long as people understand that this type of evidence is extremely biased, limited, and unverifiable.

I want to address the percentage of women interviewed who say they would stop prostituting if they were presented with viable financial alternatives.

The people conducting this survey of 100 Dominican prostitutes should of hung out at the Western Union in Sosua and recorded how many chicas are receiving hundreds and even thousands of dollars monthly from different foreign clients and are STILL prostituting.

The proof, the REAL proof would be to calculate how much money some of these women are raking in and juxtapose that with their lifestyle.

What changes occur in their lives once they reel in a Western Union boyfriend?

1) Do they go home to raise their kids?

2) Do they go to school to better educate themselves?

3) Are they staying home in the campo with their family or do they remain in Sosua and continue turning tricks to increase their chances of meeting more men who will send them a monthly or bi-monthly income?

4) What percentage of these women support Dominican boyfriends with money earmarked for her and her children from foreign remittances?

Addressing these questions would constitute a concise and valid scientific research project, more so than just asking a bunch of prostitutes rote questions and receiving stock answers that give us no insight whatsoever into their real lives.

Patterns in human behavior are discerned by gathering information on lifestyle choices-the difference between what these women DO as opposed to what they SAY they would do is of the essence.

I do believe that certain studies are biased and manufacture results that are self-serving and are not reflective of reality. This is one of them.

There is a huge problem when someone uses personal opinion and anecdotal evidence to persuade others to reach certain conclusions, and in an attempt to discredit a valid scientific study.

It would be intellectually irresponsible NOT to question a so-called "scientific" study whose validity can be contradicted with outright personal experience, especially if that experience can be verified with actual proof.


There is no verifiable methodology when forming personal opinions, any fool can do it. But it takes time, effort, and professional overview to conduct a valid study.

For the reasons I have mentioned I believe this does not fall under the category of a valid study.

Why?

I would never expect to hear from a survey that prostitutes enjoy the lifestyle and would rather score clients than work a regular low-paying job, because that doesn't fit the stereotype.

Yet that is exactly what I've heard from beautiful, young women in the game. They would rather prostitute themselves than go work in the zona franca for peanuts.

I've yet to meet a woman who would stay home and change her life simply because she is receiving money on a regular basis from an overseas client, regardless of what they would stand to lose if they were caught by their foreign boyfriends.

They seem oblivious to the consequences and the importance of what is at stake goes right over their heads.

Some women have been left by kind-hearted, generous clients who were fooled into thinking they were really in love when the reality is they were being taken advantage of.

Yet these women, once on the Western Union payroll, show no intention of living up to their end of the bargain, always cheating on their foreign boyfriends and complaining that the money they receive is never, ever enough.

Many times, as a consequence of this behavior, they get plunged into poverty worse than before they begin prostituting.

Why?

Because they have children they cannot afford, and once the remittances stop their Dominican boyfriends leave them as well. So now they are back to prostitution and are worse off than ever before.

Some remain stubbornly defiant in the face of their monumentally dysfunctional decision-making process, going back to their campos, back to sitting in a loteria booth all day "cojiendo numeros", sitting around bored and thinking if something doesn't happen today it will happen tomorrow.

The results of this study are a bit too obvious and offer no insights into the REAL question at hand.

Aside from the ones who suffer abuse at the hands of their nuclear family, native boyfriends and clients(numbers which may not differ much from the general population), it still does not answer the question as to why women who are sent remittances from abroad stay in the game when clearly an overwhelming majority say they would do the exact opposite if they had an opportunity.

And what better opportunity would that be than by receiving an allowance that is many times the average salary for an uneducated native Dominican?
 
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Ceasar Garcia

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Like I said you can take the girl out of the barrio but you cannot take the barrio out of the girl. It makes no difference to them if they sleep 6 to a bed or in a nice home. It all starts at home. No education ( mother or father ) afueda. So they learn street smarts at a young age. Just listen to how they speak. I tell people these girls only know six words. Damilo, Aglo mi, Presta mi, Tate Quieto, Orita, dejame tranquilla. If they were to say this to a Dominican what would happen ?
 

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Like I said you can take the girl out of the barrio but you cannot take the barrio out of the girl. It makes no difference to them if they sleep 6 to a bed or in a nice home. It all starts at home. No education ( mother or father ) afueda. So they learn street smarts at a young age. Just listen to how they speak. I tell people these girls only know six words. Damilo, Aglo mi, Presta mi, Tate Quieto, Orita, dejame tranquilla. If they were to say this to a Dominican what would happen ?

hahahah that's not even spanish:laugh:

its a vicious cycle.........and some of these guys are not helping by contributing to that cycle.
 

AZB

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Lets add to puta charla, lets see what they are capable of saying:
papi regalame algo, ta te tranquilo, aja pero no tengo cuarto, compra me una tarjeta de orange, para los gustos tenemos los colores, mejor sola que mal acompanada, mira conaso, tu ere tacano, que tu me vas a regalar si salgo contigo? ella es mi prima, vivo con una amiga, con una tia, soy de palo quemao un campo en la loma, quiero irme a europa, aja que tu piensas, soy una puta? buscando un trabajito pero no hay na, etc etc.
This all you hear around them, I bet catcher and Drob must think they are Harvard graduates in linguistics. hahahaha
These are the girls they are impressed with, these are the girls they defend. just look who get offended when you make fun of these types of women. Hahahaha.
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Lets see, damilo means give me, algo means something in other words give me something. Prestar means to loan. Orita means later. Tate Quieto means leave me alone. Dejame Traquillea means to leave me in peace. so what part of Spanish is wrong ?
 

AZB

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Lets see, damilo means give me, algo means something in other words give me something. Prestar means to loan. Orita means later. Tate Quieto means leave me alone. Dejame Traquillea means to leave me in peace. so what part of Spanish is wrong ?

Tate Quieto = stay put or stay still, but of course in campo language.