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Rule of Law or Rule of the person-which is more important?
In my personal opinion and experience, the use of sexist language and racist language are (language? ... or is?) equally destructive to the person who stands at the receiving end of such language. I'm really sorry if my thoughts on that insult your intelligence. That is not my intention whatsoever. I really do not know what to say excepting that I share that view with many women that are icons in the feminism and liberation movements. Perhaps you can point me to some literature that will help me understand your point of view.
Not at all El sabeloto!
From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
human
human[2,noun]
Main Entry: 2human
Function: noun
Date: circa 1533
: a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens: man; broadly : hominid
? hu?man?like \-mən-ˌlīk\ adjective
note:This item dates from roughly 1533
So for almost 500 years man is the word that references our species!
From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
human
human[2,noun]
Main Entry: 2human
Function: noun
Date: circa 1533
: a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens: man; broadly : hominid
? hu?man?like \-mən-ˌlīk\ adjective
note:This item dates from roughly 1533
So for almost 500 years man is the word that references our species!
No, MommC, I am a women. I have a different set of chromosomes than a man. We are sexually and biologically distinct. Perhaps on some other levels too, but that is truly another thread. I do think the world needs both of us. It would be very boring without men.
Could we get back to the legal stuff? I'm losing it .. I'm going to bathroom to check quickly what I am? This is insane LOL
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Again you haven't comprehended......
or are you just justifying your words......?
You used the example as a derogatory statement......NOT as sexist or racist!
You accused CB of being sexist based on your (and unspecified others) comprehension of his posting.
You state that you've moved on however you keep 'stirring' the pot.
You have been given adequate 'proof' that the term 'man' in reference to ALL members of the human race is NOT sexist however, you keep on insisting that it was/is being used in a sexist manner.
So just what IS your agenda?? or is that for BB's ears only.
Might I suggest that those icons of the feminism and liberation movements are also being mis-comprehended by you? or Might I even suggest that they are not truly feminist or liberated.
I am very much a feminist and I am very liberated . I would have made a good suffragette(sp?). Those woman realized that it wasn't MALES holding them back.....it was themselves. They realized they already had the power to change the world - they just had to use it!
How many more years until ALL females realize this instead of getting in a snit over a word that they themselves have mis-understood?
or are you just justifying your words......?
You used the example as a derogatory statement......NOT as sexist or racist!
You accused CB of being sexist based on your (and unspecified others) comprehension of his posting.
You state that you've moved on however you keep 'stirring' the pot.
You have been given adequate 'proof' that the term 'man' in reference to ALL members of the human race is NOT sexist however, you keep on insisting that it was/is being used in a sexist manner.
So just what IS your agenda?? or is that for BB's ears only.
Might I suggest that those icons of the feminism and liberation movements are also being mis-comprehended by you? or Might I even suggest that they are not truly feminist or liberated.
I am very much a feminist and I am very liberated . I would have made a good suffragette(sp?). Those woman realized that it wasn't MALES holding them back.....it was themselves. They realized they already had the power to change the world - they just had to use it!
How many more years until ALL females realize this instead of getting in a snit over a word that they themselves have mis-understood?
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We need some serious education here......
So just what mammal are you???? Enlighten me........and a few billion other female members of the species.
So just what mammal are you???? Enlighten me........and a few billion other female members of the species.
Oh, so you want to lighten it up??
Then why don't you "be a man about it", and show me how strong you are? Wow, that's what I call "manpower!"' While your're at it do you feel"manly"? Well then why almost "to a man" do they question your "manhood?'
"Ya da man" ( circa 2008)
Trying to lighten this time bomb up and not see my thread closed.
JOHN
Then why don't you "be a man about it", and show me how strong you are? Wow, that's what I call "manpower!"' While your're at it do you feel"manly"? Well then why almost "to a man" do they question your "manhood?'
"Ya da man" ( circa 2008)
Trying to lighten this time bomb up and not see my thread closed.
JOHN
If you personipulate the language sufficiently you could get to sewerhole? :cheeky:
which, methinks, is where some of the material belongs...........
Then what would you call the ones that don't lead to a sewer??
In our advanced electronic/wireless/technological world many of those metal covers lead to 'dry' holes that contain cable and fiberoptics.:glasses:
How about plain old 'streetholecover'?
In our advanced electronic/wireless/technological world many of those metal covers lead to 'dry' holes that contain cable and fiberoptics.:glasses:
How about plain old 'streetholecover'?
Like this.....again from Merriman-Websters
humane
One entry found.
humane
Main Entry: hu?mane
Pronunciation: \hy?-ˈmān, y?-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English humain
Date: circa 1500
1 : marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals
2 : characterized by or tending to broad humanistic culture : humanistic <humane studies>
? hu?mane?ly adverb
? hu?mane?ness \-ˈmān-nəs\ noun
humane
One entry found.
humane
Main Entry: hu?mane
Pronunciation: \hy?-ˈmān, y?-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English humain
Date: circa 1500
1 : marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals
2 : characterized by or tending to broad humanistic culture : humanistic <humane studies>
? hu?mane?ly adverb
? hu?mane?ness \-ˈmān-nəs\ noun
Oh heavens ... I checked, I'm female! Wow! Did not have it wrong all these years! Gonna try to make it easy on all of those that are wondering. If I was a chicken, I would be the Hen, not the Rooster. I would however still be a chicken.
Johne, we will do our best to keep this one going but, are you sure? LOL
Johne, we will do our best to keep this one going but, are you sure? LOL
I don't think it will close, johne, not while sisters are debating whom is most liberated...................:cheeky: Not a competition I care to join. Next step, female mud wrestling?
That'll do nicely, thank you.
Unless of course it is an avenue, road, cul-de-sac, freeway, highway...........
Dictionary definitions are only as good as the people whose words they are. Anyone check the gender of the authors, btw?
Man _ Woman_Person
Man
Main Entry: 1man
Pronunciation: \ˈman, in compounds ˌman or mən\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural men \ˈmen, in compounds ˌmen or mən\
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English man, mon human being, male human; akin to Old High German man human being, Sanskrit manu
Date: before 12th century
1 a (1): an individual human; especially : an adult male human (2): a man belonging to a particular category (as by birth, residence, membership, or occupation) ?usually used in combination <councilman> (3): husband (4): lover b: the human race : humankind c: a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens) that is anatomically related to the great apes but distinguished especially by notable development of the brain with a resultant capacity for articulate speech and abstract reasoning, is usually considered to form a variable number of freely interbreeding races, and is the sole living representative of the hominid family; broadly : any living or extinct hominid d (1): one possessing in high degree the qualities considered distinctive of manhood (2)obsolete : the quality or state of being manly : manliness e: fellow, chap ?used as mode of familiar address f?used interjectionally to express intensity of feeling <man, what a game>
2 a: individual, person <a man could get killed there> b: the individual who can fulfill or who has been chosen to fulfill one's requirements <she's your man>3 a: a feudal tenant : vassal b: an adult male servant cplural : the working force as distinguished from the employer and usually the management
4 a: one of the distinctive objects moved by each player in various board games b: one of the players on a team
5: an alumnus of or student at a college or university <a Bowdoin man>
6Christian Science : the compound idea of infinite Spirit : the spiritual image and likeness of God : the full representation of Mind
7often capitalized : police <when I heard the siren, I knew it was the Man? American Speech>
8often capitalized : the white establishment : white society <surprise that any black?should take on so about The Man? Peter Goldman>
9: one extremely fond of or devoted to something specified <strictly a vanilla ice cream man>
? man?less \ˈman-ləs\ adjective
? man?like \-ˌlīk\ adjective
? as one man : with the agreement and consent of all : unanimously
? one's own man : free from interference or control : independent
? to a man : without exception
woman
Main Entry: wom?an
Pronunciation: \ˈwu̇-mən, especially Southern ˈwō- or ˈwə-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural wom?en \ˈwi-mən\
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English wīfman, from wīf woman, wife + man human being, man
Date: before 12th century
1 a: an adult female person b: a woman belonging to a particular category (as by birth, residence, membership, or occupation) ?usually used in combination <councilwoman>
2: womankind
3: distinctively feminine nature : womanliness
4: a woman who is a servant or personal attendant
5 achiefly dialect : wife b: mistress c: girlfriend 2
? woman adjective
? wom?an?less \-ləs\ adjective
person
6 entries found.
personfirst personperson-hourpoint personsecond personthird person
Main Entry: per?son
Pronunciation: \ˈpər-sən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French persone, from Latin persona actor's mask, character in a play, person, probably from Etruscan phersu mask, from Greek prosōpa, plural of prosōpon face, mask ? more at prosopopoeia
Date: 13th century
1: human, individual ?sometimes used in combination especially by those who prefer to avoid man in compounds applicable to both sexes <chairperson><spokesperson>2: a character or part in or as if in a play : guise
3 a: one of the three modes of being in the Trinitarian Godhead as understood by Christians b: the unitary personality of Christ that unites the divine and human natures
4 aarchaic : bodily appearance b: the body of a human being; also : the body and clothing <unlawful search of the person>
5: the personality of a human being : self
6: one (as a human being, a partnership, or a corporation) that is recognized by law as the subject of rights and duties
7: reference of a segment of discourse to the speaker, to one spoken to, or to one spoken of as indicated by means of certain pronouns or in many languages by verb inflection
? per?son?hood \-ˌhu̇d\ noun
? in person : in one's bodily presence <the movie star appeared in person>
Bolding and colour are mine.....the rest from Merriman-Webster
So you can be 'politically correct' all you like but a man is a man/ is also a woman /is also a person!
I AM a MAN, A Man I AM
Neither rule of law or rule of person will change that!
It is the rule of person (read rule of MAN/WOMAN) that seeks to equalize and desensitize so that MAN may live peacefully and in harmony!
okay....I'm leaving the soapbox now....continue!:speechles
Man
Main Entry: 1man
Pronunciation: \ˈman, in compounds ˌman or mən\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural men \ˈmen, in compounds ˌmen or mən\
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English man, mon human being, male human; akin to Old High German man human being, Sanskrit manu
Date: before 12th century
1 a (1): an individual human; especially : an adult male human (2): a man belonging to a particular category (as by birth, residence, membership, or occupation) ?usually used in combination <councilman> (3): husband (4): lover b: the human race : humankind c: a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens) that is anatomically related to the great apes but distinguished especially by notable development of the brain with a resultant capacity for articulate speech and abstract reasoning, is usually considered to form a variable number of freely interbreeding races, and is the sole living representative of the hominid family; broadly : any living or extinct hominid d (1): one possessing in high degree the qualities considered distinctive of manhood (2)obsolete : the quality or state of being manly : manliness e: fellow, chap ?used as mode of familiar address f?used interjectionally to express intensity of feeling <man, what a game>
2 a: individual, person <a man could get killed there> b: the individual who can fulfill or who has been chosen to fulfill one's requirements <she's your man>3 a: a feudal tenant : vassal b: an adult male servant cplural : the working force as distinguished from the employer and usually the management
4 a: one of the distinctive objects moved by each player in various board games b: one of the players on a team
5: an alumnus of or student at a college or university <a Bowdoin man>
6Christian Science : the compound idea of infinite Spirit : the spiritual image and likeness of God : the full representation of Mind
7often capitalized : police <when I heard the siren, I knew it was the Man? American Speech>
8often capitalized : the white establishment : white society <surprise that any black?should take on so about The Man? Peter Goldman>
9: one extremely fond of or devoted to something specified <strictly a vanilla ice cream man>
? man?less \ˈman-ləs\ adjective
? man?like \-ˌlīk\ adjective
? as one man : with the agreement and consent of all : unanimously
? one's own man : free from interference or control : independent
? to a man : without exception
woman
Main Entry: wom?an
Pronunciation: \ˈwu̇-mən, especially Southern ˈwō- or ˈwə-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural wom?en \ˈwi-mən\
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English wīfman, from wīf woman, wife + man human being, man
Date: before 12th century
1 a: an adult female person b: a woman belonging to a particular category (as by birth, residence, membership, or occupation) ?usually used in combination <councilwoman>
2: womankind
3: distinctively feminine nature : womanliness
4: a woman who is a servant or personal attendant
5 achiefly dialect : wife b: mistress c: girlfriend 2
? woman adjective
? wom?an?less \-ləs\ adjective
person
6 entries found.
personfirst personperson-hourpoint personsecond personthird person
Main Entry: per?son
Pronunciation: \ˈpər-sən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French persone, from Latin persona actor's mask, character in a play, person, probably from Etruscan phersu mask, from Greek prosōpa, plural of prosōpon face, mask ? more at prosopopoeia
Date: 13th century
1: human, individual ?sometimes used in combination especially by those who prefer to avoid man in compounds applicable to both sexes <chairperson><spokesperson>2: a character or part in or as if in a play : guise
3 a: one of the three modes of being in the Trinitarian Godhead as understood by Christians b: the unitary personality of Christ that unites the divine and human natures
4 aarchaic : bodily appearance b: the body of a human being; also : the body and clothing <unlawful search of the person>
5: the personality of a human being : self
6: one (as a human being, a partnership, or a corporation) that is recognized by law as the subject of rights and duties
7: reference of a segment of discourse to the speaker, to one spoken to, or to one spoken of as indicated by means of certain pronouns or in many languages by verb inflection
? per?son?hood \-ˌhu̇d\ noun
? in person : in one's bodily presence <the movie star appeared in person>
Bolding and colour are mine.....the rest from Merriman-Webster
So you can be 'politically correct' all you like but a man is a man/ is also a woman /is also a person!
I AM a MAN, A Man I AM
Neither rule of law or rule of person will change that!
It is the rule of person (read rule of MAN/WOMAN) that seeks to equalize and desensitize so that MAN may live peacefully and in harmony!
okay....I'm leaving the soapbox now....continue!:speechles
Could be they were human! Can't see chickens writing dictionaries ....
However I do believe the first dictionaries were produced by the male of the species as females weren't educated in the worldly skills of reading and writing back in the 12th century.
However I do believe the first dictionaries were produced by the male of the species as females weren't educated in the worldly skills of reading and writing back in the 12th century.
No, not the 12th. century ones, the ones you're quoting from, MommC. If you don't know author gender you can't know the assumptions which influence the definitions. If it's OED we know how they use collaborative effort, usually both genders. But I don't know which ones you're using.
At the beginning of Star Trek, Captain Kirk used to say, "To boldly go where no man has gone before."
No man, the man, a man, some man, ... are all gender specific referring to male humans.
Kirk could have said, 'To boldly go where man/mankind has never gone before" so as not to offend the hyper-sensitive.
In Star Trek TNG, Captain Picard says, "To boldy go where no one has gone before."
No man, the man, a man, some man, ... are all gender specific referring to male humans.
Kirk could have said, 'To boldly go where man/mankind has never gone before" so as not to offend the hyper-sensitive.
In Star Trek TNG, Captain Picard says, "To boldy go where no one has gone before."
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