Sosúa Beach Renovations

Yourmaninvegas

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When did the thread start on DR1❓
There is NOTHING NEW to the government driving the plans to the renovation of Sosua Beach.
Thread started on August 30, 2022.
There have been plans for decades from the government to renew the beach.
18 pages of commentary. #361 posts
People are finally realizing this now?
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Really does not matter to me who is driving the Renovation of Sosua Beach.
In my opinion it is about how the renovation is performed.
 

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The plans for the renovation predate this thread by more than two decades. There are previous DR1 threads about when this was attempted previously and the government at the time had to back down. Now the government has told the vendors they will be just fine. That "worked",

And work has started.
 
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The idea for a Sosua Beach Renovation may predate the thread on DR1

But these specific plans have been made possible by some very specific coordination between the 🇩🇴GOV and private interests.
I cannot speak for others but if someone is saying that there is a history of starting and stopping this particular renovation maybe just maybe that is what people are surprised about. That it appears this time it has sticking power because it is more than just the 🇩🇴GOV. This time they are moving with BIG MONEY...coming around on the end run like pulling guards.
 

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That means the condo project is irrelevant to the discussion as it is a private development project.
Title of the thread is Sosua Beach Renovations.
Sosua Beach is a public resource.
It was necessary to make the distinction because you seemed confused as to which land/project I was talking about. It is only partially correct to say that Sosua Beach is a public resource because Sosua Beach encompasses not just the 60 meter set back strip of sand, but also all the bars, restaurants, and shops as well as all the land back to the highway. Only the 60 meter set back portion of Sosua Beach and the new plazas will be public.
 

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Writer of post #364 says that I am confused.
Does anyone have a survey that supports the assertions the writer of this post made?
It is generally accepted Knowledge that MOST of the Bars and Restaurants are on Private Property ( beyond 60M) .. and when that private property is developed , they will be evicted and demolished . ( there was a crude map posted here a while back)

But let me ask this .. IF some of them are on the Ocean side of the 60 meters , would that not also make them Squatters on GOVT Land , which belongs to everyone .. This would make it even easier for the Govt to Demolish their Shacks ..

or am I missing something ?
 
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It is generally accepted Knowledge that MOST of the Bars and Restaurants are on Private Property ( beyond 60M) .. and when that private property is developed , they will be evicted and demolished . ( there was a crude map posted here a while back)

But let me ask this .. IF some of them are on the Ocean side of the 60 meters , would that not also make them Squatters on GOVT Land , which belongs to everyone .. This would make it even easier for the Govt to Demolish their Shacks ..

or am I missing something ?
You missed nothing. You got it right.

The squatters are either on private land owned by the people that donated some of their land recently to the government for the plazas, or they are within the 60 meter public space mark. That donation of private land is the cooperation between government and private owners that was needed to move the project forward and remove the decrepit casitas that some call charming.

I would say from discussions I have had it is common knowledge that most squatters are actually within the 60 meter mark and the rest are on private land. They could be wrong, but it really makes no difference in the end results for those businesses. This applies to those in the beach area.

One additional point: those on the walkway down to the beach from the Casino side allegedly have legal title for their businesses and are not part of the renovation plan.
 

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It is generally accepted Knowledge that MOST of the Bars and Restaurants are on Private Property ( beyond 60M) .. and when that private property is developed , they will be evicted and demolished . ( there was a crude map posted here a while back)

But let me ask this .. IF some of them are on the Ocean side of the 60 meters , would that not also make them Squatters on GOVT Land , which belongs to everyone .. This would make it even easier for the Govt to Demolish their Shacks ..

or am I missing something ?
They will be removed no matter which side of the 60 meter line they are on. That only makes sense. My concern with the beach being renovated is are going to put this concrete monstrosity up and ruin what makes Sosua beach such a special place. Like I have said, way back in 2002, I remember seeing plans for the renovation of the beach. They included hotels/condos, a marina and the removal of Los Charamicos. It was only a matter of time to when this would be a thing that politicians were able to get their mitts on it.
 

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It is generally accepted Knowledge that MOST of the Bars and Restaurants are on Private Property ( beyond 60M) .. and when that private property is developed , they will be evicted and demolished . ( there was a crude map posted here a while back)

But let me ask this .. IF some of them are on the Ocean side of the 60 meters , would that not also make them Squatters on GOVT Land , which belongs to everyone .. This would make it even easier for the Govt to Demolish their Shacks ..

or am I missing something ?

Correct. They are all squatters. The sooner it gets bulldozed and cleaned up the better it is for the community. That place is a Cholera outbreak waiting to happen. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

Your point of both sides of the 60 mtrs being squatters is exactly why the gov't was asked to get involved. (The plazas are a head fake move) The developer needs all squatters removed at the same time, not just the ones on their private property. You can't have squatters and shallow dug outhouses in front of expensive condos.
 

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You missed nothing. You got it right.

The squatters are either on private land owned by the people that donated some of their land recently to the government for the plazas, or they are within the 60 meter public space mark. That donation of private land is the cooperation between government and private owners that was needed to move the project forward and remove the decrepit casitas that some call charming.

I would say from discussions I have had it is common knowledge that most squatters are actually within the 60 meter mark and the rest are on private land. They could be wrong, but it really makes no difference in the end results for those businesses. This applies to those in the beach area.

One additional point: those on the walkway down to the beach from the Casino side allegedly have legal title for their businesses and are not part of the renovation plan.
Funny thing is, this is the worst thing about the beach. I would always enter from the middle or the Charamicos side to avoid that gauntlet.
 

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They will be removed no matter which side of the 60 meter line they are on. That only makes sense. My concern with the beach being renovated is are going to put this concrete monstrosity up and ruin what makes Sosua beach such a special place. Like I have said, way back in 2002, I remember seeing plans for the renovation of the beach. They included hotels/condos, a marina and the removal of Los Charamicos. It was only a matter of time connected to when this would be a thing that politicians were able to get their mitts on it.
There will be 3 concrete "monstrosities" . Not one. They had to promise there will be enough space for ALL current vendors.
If removing the decrepit illegal structures and building modern plazas "ruins" the beach, then I am certain it will be ruined for you.

True there were plans at Ayuntamiento in Sosua back then and likely well before 2002.
 

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They will be removed no matter which side of the 60 meter line they are on. That only makes sense. My concern with the beach being renovated is are going to put this concrete monstrosity up and ruin what makes Sosua beach such a special place. Like I have said, way back in 2002, I remember seeing plans for the renovation of the beach. They included hotels/condos, a marina and the removal of Los Charamicos. It was only a matter of time to when this would be a thing that politicians were able to get their mitts on it.‼️
Exactly‼️

That is why I called the move from the 🇩🇴GOV a mafia like power move driven by BIG MONEY‼️
The vendors made Sosua Beach the attraction that is today.
Now BIG MONEY with the help of the 🇩🇴GOV is appropriating this popularity for the private gain of a few.
You don't need binoculars or even glasses if you are nearsighted to see that.
 

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There will be 3 concrete "monstrosities" . Not one. They had to promise there will be enough space for ALL current vendors.
If removing the decrepit illegal structures "ruins" the beach, then I am certain it will be ruined for you.

True there were plans at Ayuntamiento in Sosua back then and likely well before 2002.
Who in the hell would want to sit around these plazas as designed. It's a joke. They are building these things to appease the vendors. Fixing up the current design would have been the way to go. Putting the money into replacing the shacks. Building sone proper restrooms. Look at the proposed pictures for what they are planning. They are not designed for the town of Sosua and the surrounding area. There is a lot of money going into a few select pockets over this one.
 

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Who in the hell would want to sit around these plazas as designed. It's a joke. They are building these things to appease the vendors. Fixing up the current design would have been the way to go. Putting the money into replacing the shacks. Building sone proper restrooms. Look at the proposed pictures for what they are planning. They are not designed for the town of Sosua and the surrounding area. There is a lot of money going into a few select pockets over this one.
I am in complete agreement.
There are those posting up in here (often shouting the loudest) that don't even goto Sosua Beach.
The plan for the Sousa Beach Renovation is not for the people of Sosua or the Dominican Republic.
It is not that I am opposed to renovation...it is the type of renovation.
 

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Who in the hell would want to sit around these plazas as designed. It's a joke. They are building these things to appease the vendors. Fixing up the current design would have been the way to go. Putting the money into replacing the shacks. Building sone proper restrooms. Look at the proposed pictures for what they are planning. They are not designed for the town of Sosua and the surrounding area. There is a lot of money going into a few select pockets over this one.
It is true that they could have built a strip mall of concrete buildings with 100 plus vendors all serving the same thing.
But they aren't.

I don't go to Sosua beach because of how it is now.
 

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Reference is made to post # 379
They also could have brought in an architectural firm with real skills and told them to design something that fit with the current natural landscape.

Individuals posting up in here that don't even goto Sosua Beach now say it is because of how it is.
Will they go in the future ❓