suicides in DR

[Chip]

Ask all you want.

When "respect" is earned by the Catholic church in the DR I'll be more happy to give it to them.

I will NEVER "respect" any cultural paradigm just because. That would imply I'd "respect" the institution of slavery that commonly existed in the world at one time...just because it was a "cultural norm."

No way.

Statistics show there is no safer place for children than Catholic Schools, notwithstanding the rare abusive priest. No one here in the DR does more for the poor people than the Catholic Church, via Caritas. No one openly criticizes the corruption in the government more than the Catholic Church. Furthermore, no secular institution has a better record in the same areas. I'd say they are doing a better job than anyone else in their area of concentration actually.

 

[Lobo Tropical]

Education w/o morals is like paint on a turd, looks good on the outside only because the secular education system cannot teach right from wrong.

Catholic religion has often abandoned good morals, as this group has proven throughout history.
However any person can be moral on their own volition.
Suicide is an act of momentary desperation, a sense of no hope, not being loved, utterly alone.

 

[cobraboy]

Morality does NOT imminate from the church.

The church may reflect morality, but they didn't create it.

Morality kinda sorta goes under the vague classification of "natural law."

 

[Chip]

Catholic religion has often abandoned good morals, as this group has proven throughout history.
However any person can be moral on their own volition.
Suicide is an act of momentary desperation, a sense of no hope, not being loved, utterly alone.

Man is inherently flawed. Nonetheless, notwithstanding current revisionism, Christians are head and shoulders of any other belief system with regard to helping/hurting others,

 

[Chip]

Morality does NOT imminate from the church.

The church may reflect morality, but they didn't create it.

Morality kinda sorta goes under the vague classification of "natural law."

Morality emanates from a person's conscience.

No other belief system has done a better job at manifesting this conscience among men than the Christian Church even taking into account wrongdoings by a deranged few(statistically speaking).

 

[pollogringo]

Catholic religion has often abandoned good morals, as this group has proven throughout history.
However any person can be moral on their own volition.
Suicide is an act of momentary desperation, a sense of no hope, not being loved, utterly alone.

And the cause of those feelings may be situational or a chemical imbalance in the brain.

 

[Chip]

And the cause of those feelings may be situational or a chemical imbalance in the brain.

You just said in another thread that it's "all natural"????

How can you preach your version of theology if you don't understand it yourself?

 

[pollogringo]

You just said in another thread that it's "all natural"????

How can you preach your version of theology if you don't understand it yourself?

What are you talking about?

 

[Lucifer]

I "grew up" Catholic, and when I finally commit suicide, I bet some Christians will blame it on the fact that I took the Blasphemy Challenge.

Life is overrated, folks. You either are or you ain't. So, get off that high horse.

 

[Berzin]

No other belief system has done a better job at manifesting this conscience among men than the Christian Church even taking into account wrongdoings by a deranged few(statistically speaking).

You've managed to take what is a serious and complicated issue with what has been some excellent responses and turned it into yet another one of your US-bashing, pro-Catholic crusades, even though you've been repeatedly warned not to do bring up religion anywhere except the Off-Topic forum.

So here you go.

Here are a couple of films you may be interested in watching. It may wake you up to the truth-

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[Chip]

You've managed to take what is a serious and complicated issue with what has been some excellent responses and turned it into yet another one of your US-bashing, pro-Catholic crusades, even though you've been repeatedly warned not to do bring up religion anywhere except the Off-Topic forum.

So here you go.

Here are a couple of films you may be interested in watching. It may wake you up to the truth-

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With all due respect I merely echoed the opinion of an article that dv8 posted.

 

[dv8]

i appreciate good old offtopicing, carry on. no one's been on the subject since page two, i don't have much hope

 

[Africaida]

Too bad, I am very surprised about suicides in DR.
That isn't something I would have expected there (even though I don't buy into they look so happy with so little).

 

[GinzaGringo]

Some quick analysis. The article says there were 638 suicides in the DR last year. That translates into a rate of about 6.38 suicides per 100,000 people. In 2009, the USA had a suicide rate of 12 suicides per 100,000. So, that means the DR suicide rate is half that of what the USA is, which seems to be a good thing.

When I see that the USA has a suicide rate which is double the rate in the DR it makes me think people in the DR are not, by in large, killing themselves because they are poor. It seems to suggest the opposite. I know it is a complicated subject. I'm just saying.

 

[Criss Colon]

You Are ALL WRONG!!!
The suicide rate is up, because it is tied to the murder rate!
Every time a guy kills his "Other", then kills himself, BOTH rates go UP!
And, BOTH have gone up in the last few years.
OR, you can believe like "CHUMP",...."It's Obama's Fault"!!!!!!!!
You know, the old reason, "I'll kill myself because in the USA they have more "Stuff"!!!
"Yeah Right"!
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[Major448]

Some quick analysis. The article says there were 638 suicides in the DR last year. That translates into a rate of about 6.38 suicides per 100,000 people. In 2009, the USA had a suicide rate of 12 suicides per 100,000. So, that means the DR suicide rate is half that of what the USA is, which seems to be a good thing.

When I see that the USA has a suicide rate which is double the rate in the DR it makes me think people in the DR are not, by in large, killing themselves because they are poor. It seems to suggest the opposite. I know it is a complicated subject. I'm just saying.

The US has some broad issues with illegal drug use (including prescription drug abuse) which may be a contributing factor to the suicide rate.

In addition ... a large number of combat veterans are included in those statistics. As a combat vet ... I can confirm from what I have observed that it is very easy for some to cross that line (suicide or homicide) if they are not given help.

Read up on PTSD ... which affects more than just veterans. It may shock you to notice some of the same symptoms/causes in the DR.

PTSD and Suicide - Suicide.org. PTSD and Suicide - Suicide.org. PTSD and Suicide - Suicide.org.
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder-Symptoms
Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD): Symptoms - MayoClinic.com

I am very fortunate to have never crossed that line ... and I never will.

 

[drescape24]

I feel bad for the family of anyone who kills themselves. So sad and how many people kill themselves over so many issues.
But hey lets lighten this up with a joke
Having religion is like having a penis....
Its ok to have one....
Its ok to be proud of it....
But its NOT ok to whip it out and shove it down my throat!

 

[Chirimoya]

Lack of mental health awareness, treatment and facilities must play a part. This is what I take from today's news coverage and the 'apathy' in the headline refers to the lack of awareness/sympathy from the people surrounding a suicidal person.

Apathy said to contribute to suicides
Mental health specialists attribute the increase in the tendency to commit suicide in the country over the last nine years to depressive disorders and a lack of respect for life that is combined with the demanding modern lifestyle and the fact that people have become apathetic towards problems and behavioral changes in those around them. "On one or two occasions I have seen people trying to throw themselves off bridges, and the bystanders who are watching like spectators encouraging them by yelling "Jump!" unfortunately," psychiatrist Cesar Mella told Diario Libre. The specialist also believes that although suicidal behavior has existed throughout human history, this increase is influenced by a profound spiritual breakdown. "In the past, there was a tendency to fear divine punishment, because according to the Judeo-Christian tradition people who committed suicide did not enter into the kingdom of Heaven," he said.
In a report released on Monday, 12 August the National Statistical Office (ONE) points out that since 2003, there is a growing trend towards committing suicide in the Dominican Republic, a 57% increase between then and 2012, with more men than women committing suicide. The president of the Dominican Society of Clinical Psychology, Martha Perez Mencia, called on the population to be less indifferent to the signs that are usually displayed by people who are contemplating suicide. "Most people who commit suicide give warning signs, they try to call attention to themselves, and often what happens is that other people don't believe them or take them seriously," she says.
Expertos analizan el aumento de las tasas de suicidios - DiarioLibre.com

 

[Criss Colon]

Men who have really tiny "DICKS" often use Religion as an outlet for their sexual frustrations!!!
We see that quite often here on DR1.
"My Fren"
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[bronzeallspice]

I wonder if alot of these so called suicides are really suicides and not murder
intended to look like suicide. The police are not that good at conducting
thorough investigations. One they don't have the man power and second
the budget does not allow it.