Quisqueya said:
Nals question #
3. Why is the Dominican actions criticized so much by Haitian organizations, when similar actions are done in the Bahamas, Turks and Caicos, French West Indies, Jamaica, and elsewhere and they don't get much criticism, if any?
Many Haitian Organizations criticise anyone that mistreats haitians. This is nothing personal against dominicans..Anyway, I am not the one you need to aske this question I dont belong to any organisation. But, I tell you this I am against any mistreatment of haitians in the diaspora and also haitians mistreating haitians as well..This have nothing to do with dominicans or something personal.
Thank you very much for finally responding. I was expecting something longer, given that it took a full week to get that answer, but that will do just fine. Your answer "I am not the one you need to ask this question" is exactly what I was looking for, otherwise my doubts would have been proven.
It's good to know that my deep assumptions of you are turning out to be correct, but I was never too sure if they were because of the inconsistency in many of your posts.
Thank you.
Quisqueya said:
1. Why do you feel superior towards black haitians but intimidated by mulattos or white haitians?
Wow, do you really believe that?
Can I use the word PARANOID to answer that too?
In all sincerity, I don't feel superior or inferior to anyone of any skin color or any nationality. Every person in this world deserves the upmost respects, because afterall, everybody has or had a mother and no mother gives birth as if it was a peace of cake. Given that and the mystery that revolves around life and all living things, everyone deserves at the very least, the most basics of respects.
Having said that, it's hard to convey such thing when others already have preconceived notions of another person, prior to ever meeting that person or talking to that person one on one in a private session to further clarify any issue that was not made clear in public, such as assuming that race is always a central issue of something or that a person by default of his/her nationality will assume to be superior to those of another.
Quisqueya said:
2. When well the elite dominicans stop exploiting haitian braceros which are the ones that cause a wave of illegal haitians in your country?
Exploiting is an overstretch. The braceros can demand higher wages, go into strike among themselves, etc. They can do what they want, there is nothing within the legal framework that a Dominican (rich or not) can do to stop them from doing such thing.
Also, the Haitians continue to enter this country and accept the jobs being offered at the substandard wages. A Dominican will never work for such low wages and that is why certain sectors of the Dominican economy are almost completely Haitian, because they accept the low wages. Sure, if all the Haitians in this country would have demanded higher wages, quite many of them will be fired and much of the operations will be mechanized, but that is simply economics in action.
BTW, you won't have to worry too much about the braceros ordeal within the sugarcane fields. Corn syrup is coming starting in January 1st of next year and the sugar cane field owners are bracing for the worst. This is part of changing with the times.
Quisqueya said:
3. When will the dominican government stop using haitian invasion as a scapegoat for their own personal interest?
There is no denying that this is an invasion, because it is just how this is a continued blackening of the country.
But, the question should not be whether these actions are those things, but rather are these things good for the country?
Economically, depends. It's bad for poor Dominicans because wages will drop to levels below what they are willing to accept, it's good for Haitian migrants because they will earn more than they would have in Haiti, and it's good for business owners because they are able to maintain higher profits, won't have to invest in expensive machines that use expensive petroleum for their operations (ie. cutting sugar cane, etc).
However, the use of illegal migrants is illegal anyway anyone wants to cut it. In all of this, the losers are impoverished Dominicans who lose their jobs due to unsustainable lowering of wages.
In terms of skin color, it does not matter. If a person can do his/her job well, they can be red, yellow, blue, or orange, they will be preferred over those who can't do the job well regardless of color. However, it only becomes a problem when people from other countries start to erupt this "we are all the same" drumbeat in order to get more hearsay in another country's development whether economical, social, or otherwise.
It is well known that such actions tend to prevail among people of darker colors as oppose to people of lighter colors (you don't see white Canadians chanting that they are the same as white Americans, decendants of Europeans....etc etc etc).
But, like I said, this has not been much of a problem. A person's character is more preferable than their appearance, but if foreign influence that poses even the most subtle of threats to the Dominican Republic's existence (because its not written in stone that any country will last forever, countries do dissolve) in the future, then its something of concern, not because of the skin color but because the sovereignity and validity of an independent DR could become in question later down the road of time.
Certain people have already alluded to these things (on this board Keen have posted the "We are all the same" drumbeat several times) and it does brings uncomfortable feelings to those who hear that from foreigners. It's one thing if a Dominican says it, its another if a foreigner says it. We always have listen to foreigners and look how our country has been in the recent past. I think its time for us to make our own decisions about our own future.
Quisqueya said:
4. Why do dominicans exaggerate when the Haitian government with the consent of dominican government took over the DR but turn around and glamourise the Spanish colonisers who exploited you for centuries?
I don't ever recall Dominicans consenting the Haitian invasion, or any invasion of any kind. Every invader that has come to this country (Haitians, Spaniards in the mid-1800s, Americans, etc) have been detested, fought against, and unpopular with every Dominican alive in those times and a good number of Dominicans today. It all takes to talk about a particular action by any foreign nation on this country and the Dominican will develop and anti-foreign attitude while discussing those things.
Don't think that I look at the American invasion of the 1910s as something to party about, or the Spanish recolonization of the 1800s with any sort of good taste.
However, Haiti is the nearest neighbor (no two neighbor of countries have been friends during their entire history). Haiti has historically expressed desires of controlling the entire island (not paranoid, but a historical fact). Haiti is right next door, with historical desires of controlling the island, with modern large numbers of outflow of its citizens to lands that historically Haitian authorities wanted to rule over and not a single apology for the invasions or massacres from those times.
The US, Spain, France, they are all oceans away. They can say they want this island or not, but there are plenty more for their taking here. The Haitians, they are right next door with quite a history towards this country.
It's not exaggeration, its simply adding the different peaces together and getting an answer that is not calmative.
Quisqueya said:
5. Will there ever be peace between the two nations and build bridges to meet the standards of the global economy?
I think peace has been achieved for quite some time. As for the standards of global economy, explain.
I have no recolection of "standards of global economy" unless you are trying to say something else.
Quisqueya said:
6. When will dominicans overcome the fear of haitians invading the DR even though haiti isn't an eminent threat?
When we add all the peaces together and not one bit of suspicion is seen.
It's not the everyday Haitian whose the problem, they are simply worried about themselves and the well being of their family.
But, we all know that politicians the world over use the masses to accomplish their goals, whether that is conquering, distabilization, economic ruin or agreements, economic cooperation, or reconciliation. The government in Port-au-Prince have multiple times in the past said that they had no intention of being an eminent threat to the DR, only to see their army marching across the border in attempt to subjugate the Dominicans under their rule and totally disregard Dominican sovereignity.
You very well know the history of this island. You should understand both sides of the fence and how each side see's each other. Remember, in Haiti, children are tought that Dominicans are the culprit of their problems, that we stole their tourists, and that the entire island still belong to Haiti, but the Dominicans are in the way. You yourself have often posted that "Dominicans stole land from Haitians", which is a reminescent of the teachings in Haitian schools. Currently, Port-au-Prince based radio stations are spreading anti-Dominican sentiment with their anti-Dominican propaganda among the residents of that Haitian metropolis. This is a fact that was proven to me by a Haitian friend who himself is disgusted with the way his country has been treating the DR, denying one thing while doing it behind closed doors.
If Haitians and Dominicans want to reconcile, they need to do this with all honesty. In 1999, as a gesture of goodwill Leonel and the Haitian president at the time agreed to attend a concert of goodwill between the two nations in Dajabon. On the day of the concert, neither the Haitian president or the Haitian singing band bother to appear or send a note or message. The "reconciling" concert between the two nations became an all Dominican concert by virtue of the Haitians themselves who did not bothered to appear.
Quisqueya said:
7. When will the dominican government stop assisting rebels overthrow governments in haiti and take partial blame for the havoc in haiti?
The Dominican government did not assist the rebels. If anything, Aristide was doing us a favor by not provoking the current flood of illegal immigrants into this country!
The rebels were Haitian, they had their desire to destroy Arisitide's power from the time they were in Haiti, they got a chance to cross into the DR illegally just how many Haitians cross illegally by crossing the knee-high Dajabon river in the darkness of the night and dispersing into the sparsely populated mountanous terrain. If you have been to the border region, you know very well that any group of army men could have easily slip into this country, conduct their own illegal training, get their hands on illegal weapons (just how drug dealers get their hands on illegal drugs) and disperse themselves back into Haiti to conduct their own desire of Haitians overthrowing a Haitian government.
Like you always say, stop being paranoid.
Quisqueya said:
8. How do you feel about the dominican diaspora? And their attitude of no longer listening to the small percentage of the elite white dominicans that control the country and want the tipical dominican to have better chance than they did?
The Dominican diaspora is an influential economic force in their respective host nations and here in this country as well. All Dominicans in the diaspora who made it legally as an example of civilitiy, hard work, honesty, and law abidding citizens and they represent the best of the Dominicans in the exterior.
The Dominican elite and the Dominican diaspora are not at odds with each other. Each are working for the benefit of the nation. If the Dominican elite wanted to put their ownselves above everyone else, the elites would have destroyed the proposal of the DR-CAFTA which will increase competition in domestic markets the elites have control over. The elites would have been more like the elites of Haiti, who reject much, even import material from the DR when they know it will undermine and undercut Haitian economic production. The Dominican elites and the Dominican diaspora are all working for the benefit of the nation with new free market economic policies being put in place and a new and vibrant influx of new ideas coming from the United States and elsewhere.
What is occuring is a massive decision of what to accept from abroad and what to keep from our own. Do people want Coca Cola or Refrescos Country Club? Do people want big mac or arroz con pollo? Do people want techno music or merengue tipico?
The thing is that Dominicans want everything of their own and everything from abroad and that is very evident nationwide.
And please, don't make this into a race issue. Contrary to popular belief, Dominicans are not bent on this race issue to the degree it has been expressed on this board. On the contrary, people learn to accept themselves and they live with it.
I have not heard that Sammy Sosa is going to do the same thing Michael Jackson did to himself, despite Sammy having the money to do so.
-BTW, you missed one more questions from the one's I posted, and this is one of the most important ones. The what are the plans Haitians have for a progressive Haiti or something on those lines. Scroll to the post where I presented the questions and respond from there.
Thank you in advance.
see PR the same as Cubans see Florida. Dominicans, Haitians and anyother independent countries nationalities in the Western Hemisphere, and also the rest of the world know that PR is not " well off" because of the intellectual prowess of boricuas. Everybody knows boricuas are not "Anglosaxons, Germans, Scandinavians, Japanese, Koreans", hahaha.