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your welcome.. I thought of that all by myself ya know.....
when will someone ever actually puke....instead of telling us they almost puked... or their gonna puke....
come on you cry babies.....dont stop compaining now its not that late.....
the great thing is I dont have to come up with all the reasons... they are there IF...you want to find them...
spend your life complaining about american policy.....who cares if you like it?
the point of the thread.....there are some people here who have no credibilty..................they are closed minded at best.......thats the nice way to put it
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Economics isn't your strong suit, is it?
But populist rabble rousing is.
Skilz, dude...you got skilz...
I'll give you one point, Ogro, no one loves a bully. IF and when agriculture goes there will be a replacement. What, I don't know. In the interim the informal economy will expand but only temporarily.
On another note, do you think the Platt Amendment wasn't beneficial for the Cubans? Or was it a stinking imperialist ploy to keep their greasy hands in Cuba. We could only dream of such beneficial terms for the DR. Curious to read what you have to say.
Fast forward to 2006,change is needed. Is CAFTA the best vehicle for that change? Not necessarily, but it usually never works out that way. What I do believe is that the status quo CANNOT be maintained.
On an endnote, I despise the Fanjuls more so than I do the Americans. At least they don't leave a bitter taste in your month. Well as far as the DR is concerned. IMHO
Economics isn't your strong suit, is it?
But populist rabble rousing is.
Skilz, dude...you got skilz...
When have the DR politicos been anything else but populist rabble rousing?
Nice choice of words----
"spend your life complaining about american foreign policy...who cares if you like it?"
That is exactly the kind of attitude that has made American foreign policy so unpopular.
I would like to add, feel free to complain all you want about anti-Americanism, no one else cares if you cry about it either.
Cobra, why don't you anwer my question? Please explain what you think will happen to the Dominican farmers and small cattle/diary farmers when CAFTA comes into effect? I would actually like to hear so one answer the question than just sling insults. Perhaps that is too much to ask?
If you won't take the time to answer these questions, then why do some ask the questions in the OP to begin with?
As far as the popularity of American foreign policy compared to France's, in poll after poll, America's foreign policy is widely disliked(to say the least). France's foreign policy does not even make the charts.
That is exactly the kind of attitude that has made American foreign policy so unpopular.
I would like to add, feel free to complain all you want about anti-Americanism, no one else cares if you cry about it either.
Cobra, why don't you anwer my question? Please explain what you think will happen to the Dominican farmers and small cattle/diary farmers when CAFTA comes into effect? I would actually like to hear so one answer the question than just sling insults. Perhaps that is too much to ask?
If you won't take the time to answer these questions, then why do some ask the questions in the OP to begin with?
As far as the popularity of American foreign policy compared to France's, in poll after poll, America's foreign policy is widely disliked(to say the least). France's foreign policy does not even make the charts.
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So you're in favor of subsidies to keep inferior products in the name of dominican sovereignty?
An "anti-platista", I knew it, LOL.
So what is your solution, Ogro?
So you're in favor of subsidies to keep inferior products in the name of dominican sovereignty?
An "anti-platista", I knew it, LOL.
So what is your solution, Ogro?
I agree.
..not to mention the economic liberalizations that occured under Balaguer. (DR-CAFTA pales in comparison)
I participated in that discussion at great length many months ago, in this very website. I won't be doing it again.
Some think of economics as a balloon: squeeze one end, and the other end bulges. In reality, economics is not only that model, but a balloon that expands and contracts, too. The goal is to expand the balloon. Free Trade does that.
Simplistic? Yes. But I hope you get my point.
Every innovation affects some economic segment in a negative fashion. At that point folks either have to adapt or perish. History shows us folks, being "perish averse", tend to adapt. The smart buggy whip manufacturers went into the automobile business. The laggards perished.
(Funny how anti-Americanism somehow spills over into anti-DR CAFTA. Same paradigm.)
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If a lobby group in Washington can affectively nullify a trade agreement....what good is a trade agreement..especially when the WTO rules on numerous occasiones, in favor of the country in dispute with Washington.
Cobra, your statement, in which you really never answer the question, reminds me of a conversation that Lou Dobbs had with a Free Trade "Guru" (from memory). The "Guru" talked endless about the benefits of free trade(lower prices for Chinese items) but never really answered what would happen to the average American worker.
The converstation was something like this:
Lou Dobbs: "What will the unemployed American worker do for a job after free trade had stripped the country of factory work?"
Guru:" "New technology will create new jobs for American workers."
Lou Dobbs:"What technology is that? I thought computers and the IT industry were going to replace the factory jobs. Those jobs are now going to India and China."
Guru: "Well, we don't know exactly what new technologies will come along."
Dobbs:"What do you mean you don't know? What is the average American worker going to do?"
Guru:" We don't know yet."
I don't see any real solutions being offered, just empty theories. This is a very real crisis looming ahead(for a lot of countries). It will take more than just arrogance and smirks to survive it. No one has any answers.
The converstation was something like this:
Lou Dobbs: "What will the unemployed American worker do for a job after free trade had stripped the country of factory work?"
Guru:" "New technology will create new jobs for American workers."
Lou Dobbs:"What technology is that? I thought computers and the IT industry were going to replace the factory jobs. Those jobs are now going to India and China."
Guru: "Well, we don't know exactly what new technologies will come along."
Dobbs:"What do you mean you don't know? What is the average American worker going to do?"
Guru:" We don't know yet."
I don't see any real solutions being offered, just empty theories. This is a very real crisis looming ahead(for a lot of countries). It will take more than just arrogance and smirks to survive it. No one has any answers.
Love the dollar, hate the gringo
Thank you, despite claims on the order of 600 million dollars by "gringo" investors against our beloved dominican gov't, they have high hopes in the DR evidenced by their continuing and increasing investments and influx.
So, who's sticking who?
Forgot the billions that Wall Street freely gave away to the DR in exchange for what??
Thank you, despite claims on the order of 600 million dollars by "gringo" investors against our beloved dominican gov't, they have high hopes in the DR evidenced by their continuing and increasing investments and influx.
So, who's sticking who?
Forgot the billions that Wall Street freely gave away to the DR in exchange for what??
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I get it.
So, in your opinion, it's better to have the DR as a whole suffer economically with inferior products at rediculously high prices for the sole reason of saving the "jobs" of inefficient farmers who are ALREADY poor?
No one, even the esteemed Lou Dobbs (the master of questions, the pauper of answers), knows exactly what every segent of every economy in every country agreeing to DR CAFTA will do.
It's mute anyway. It's here. May I suggest spending more time with the potentially displaced farmers, helping them adapt or perish, than waxing populist on an insignificant message board?
Hahaha, loving it, nice
I am sorry to inform you sir that Leche Rica disagrees with you.
I am sorry to inform you sir that Leche Rica disagrees with you.
Cobra, then why don't you offer a few solutions yourself?
Winston Churchill fought against free trade. He would not even allow free trade within the British Empire. Cheaper products do not usually mean higher wages. Winston Churchill knew that if India, for example, was given free access to compete on the British market(textile workers), that you might as well close down Birmingham that day. Winston Churchill was also pilloried by the critics.
American industry was built on protective markets. Free trade has destroyed it.
Do you really think the average Dominican will do you the favor of just "perishing"? I don't think so.
Why is it that when a thread turns into France-bashing everybody is laughing and when it turns into USA-bashing people are incensed and the thread is closed?? Double standards? Better no bashing at all IMHO.
But seriously, I agree, the impulsive anti-americanism one can see in the DR and much of the rest of the world is disturbing. Everytime I see another 'yankees fuera' graffiti I think about what normal Americans would think waking past, something those writing them obviously don't care about. Scandall/Randy, you write it doesn't bother you, but obviously it does enough t start the thread and rightly so. There's reasons to criticise US foreign policy, articularly in Latin America over the last 50 years or so, but the double standard is carried way beyond that. Generalising Anti-Americanism is dumb (although some try all they can to match that dumbness with the anti-French drivel that is currently in fashion in the US). Reasons? Whole libraries are being written on this but in the end it'll boil down to a dislike or fear of hegemony; the British in the 19th and 18th Centuries, the Spanish in the 16th, etc, didn't get very favorable foreign ratings either.
ps. I didn't quite understand the thing about the Ottoman crisis (pl?) :ermm:
But seriously, I agree, the impulsive anti-americanism one can see in the DR and much of the rest of the world is disturbing. Everytime I see another 'yankees fuera' graffiti I think about what normal Americans would think waking past, something those writing them obviously don't care about. Scandall/Randy, you write it doesn't bother you, but obviously it does enough t start the thread and rightly so. There's reasons to criticise US foreign policy, articularly in Latin America over the last 50 years or so, but the double standard is carried way beyond that. Generalising Anti-Americanism is dumb (although some try all they can to match that dumbness with the anti-French drivel that is currently in fashion in the US). Reasons? Whole libraries are being written on this but in the end it'll boil down to a dislike or fear of hegemony; the British in the 19th and 18th Centuries, the Spanish in the 16th, etc, didn't get very favorable foreign ratings either.
ps. I didn't quite understand the thing about the Ottoman crisis (pl?) :ermm:
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