The Haitian Occupation of the Dominican Republic

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If I'm not mistaken, he's one of the few historians from that caste to have a good opinion of Toussaint Louverture and his period of government.

True that, he is more fair than Ardouin ( also a mulatto) who hated Toussaint and the French. Boisrond Tonnerre also a mulatto had a vicious and chronic hate against the French ( may be because one of his brothers had been killed by the French). Haiti history is complexed
 

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True that, he is more fair than Ardouin ( also a mulatto) who hated Toussaint and the French. Boisrond Tonnerre also a mulatto had a vicious and chronic hate against the French ( may be because one of his brothers had been killed by the French). Haiti history is complexed

One of the things that I have learned about it is that caste hasn't been the only factor behind the measures of some of the rulers there. To put the classical example, of the two of their chieftains that have gotten to exercise jurisdiction over the entire island, Toussaint and Boyer, it would be the latter the one who would get to alienate people here the most to Haitian rule, while the former would get to respect the local mores the most (with the sole exception of the "peculiar institution") despite being of a different caste.
 

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One of the things that I have learned about it is that caste hasn't been the only factor behind the measures of some of the rulers there. To put the classical example, of the two of their chieftains that have gotten to exercise jurisdiction over the entire island, Toussaint and Boyer, it would be the latter the one who would get to alienate people here the most to Haitian rule, while the former would get to respect the local mores the most (with the sole exception of the "peculiar institution") despite being of a different caste.

Could this be due to the fact that the tenure of their rule was so vast?
 

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Could this be due to the fact that the tenure of their rule was so vast?

Perhaps. Toussaint only got to enjoy a whole year with the complete sovereignty over the island, while Boyer got to have 22 years. Still, and despite governing in wartime, the economic performance of the former would be better than the one of the latter. Which have made some foreign observers to remark that Haitians only seem to perform better when they're governed by a person coming from the majority, and on this person exercising the most complete and absolute of despotisms, or as some would say "a pistoletazos".
 

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MA this is from wiki Dominicana. Abuelita has internet now to write down these atrocities. Where are the accounts by the Spanish and French..after all they were the owners of the land and people. I don't want to undermine this story but where's the references. I'm sure El Pais and Le Monde would have written about this by now..non??

The Dessalines Diario .. says at the end

Tomado del libro ?Invasiones haitianas de 1801, 1805 y 1822?. Compilaci?n de Emilio Rodr?guez Demorizi. Editora del Caribe, C. por A.; Ciudad Trujillo, R.D., 1955, p?ginas 109 a 119.

Rodr?guez Demorizi adiciona la siguiente nota:
**Traducido del franc?s por el Lic. C. Armando Rodr?guez. Tomado del Reueil des lois..., Vol. I, pp. 41-47. El Diario est? firmado por Bezelais. Se public? originalmente en Gazette politique et commercial d'Haiti, No. 25-28, 30 mayo-20 junio 1805. Hay otro Journal de campgne pendant l'expedition de Saint Domingue, de Crist?bal, publicado en la Gazette. En el Archivo General de la Naci?n se conserva un Plano del sitio de Santo Domingo impu?stole por Dessalines, del 15 ventoso al 8 germinal del a?o 13 (6-8 marzo 1805), en el cual figuran posiciones de los ej?rcitos del sitiador y del sitiado, reductos militares, etc.
 

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Here's what Raifi Genao have to say about the issue at hand:

11 | noviembre | 2008 | La Venda Transparente de Raifi Genao

He puts the number at 10,000. Almost the same as the ones that the gens de couleur of the western part suffered when Dessalines "pacified" the southern region, after the war against Rigaud.

here is the gargled translated... I would remind posters that this is an ENGLISH forum and ask that if possilbe, if the reference is short enough and you find it important, that you take the time to post in full from gargled google into English... thanks.. remember that this forum is searchable on google and can serve as a reference for future seekers.

The only source quoted is Arrandodo y Picardo

Jean - Jacques Dessalines was born on September 20, 1758 in Guinea , Africa. Little is known of his youth until he appears as a slave in the French colony of Santo Domingo , this marked him forever and dragged a permanent hatred against whites by the abuses and humiliations , free and took the name of his master , who fled in 1789.

At the outbreak of the slave revolt in Saint - Domingue , Toussaint joined and organized a gang of slaves who supported France and contributed to the expulsion of the British. Dessalines fought alongside the French army against Toussaint but in 1802 , after his detention and deportation to France and to the weakness of the French army in addition to the danger of a return to slavery , becomes revolutionary rebel leader .

Definitely Dessalines defeated the French army at the Battle of Vertieres in 1803. The first of January 1804 Jean - Jacques Dessalines proclaimed Haiti's independence in Gonaives and became governor general and soon after the name Emperor Jacques I. He ordered the death of all white people , except religious and medical , prohibiting further that these properties have . Reorganized the land , distributing small estates among the peasants . In his government tried to restore Dessalines plantation economy through a system of forced labor.

In January 1805 the remnants of the French army left in the eastern part of the island commanded by the French General Louis Marie Ferrand come back in action . Ferrand ordered his troops to hunt children of both sexes black until 14 years of age to be sold as slaves. This causes the wrath of Dessalines who invaded the eastern part of the island and then raze some villages as Moca Azua and besieges the city of Santo Domingo on March 5, 1805 .

**************************THE MOCA AND SANTIAGO DEGUELLE

In the dramatic story " Memory of my departure from the island of Santo Domingo on April 28, 1805 " , the Dominican Gaspar de Arredondo jurist and Pichardo , it is revealed that forty ( 40 ) children were slaughtered in the church of Moca, and the bodies were found in the sanctuary, which is the space around the altar in the churches. This tragedy , unparalleled in the history of the island, was part of the genocide that killed thousands of Dominicans , many of them beheaded and decapitated . This catastrophe , also unprecedented in our history, was executed by the troops of General Henri Christophe Haitian ( Henry Christopher ), who followed orders and led the hosts of Jean Jacques Dessalines retreating from the Spanish part of the island during his abortive invasion that bloody 1805 .
Interested in this commentary highlight particularly the tragedy involving Dominican children brutally slaughtered or abducted, imprisoned and driven on foot to Haiti. The slaughter of 40 children in Moca is documented in the story of Gaspar de Arredondo and Pichardo1 . At work that is inserted into these same edition Alejandro Filled includes this paragraph in addition to terrifying and inexplicable is a very creepy episode :
On April 6, Christopher gathered his troops in Santiago , beheaded in the cemetery male prisoners , among whom were the Priest Vasquez and 20 priests , burned the town and its 5 churches , and went out, taking as a herd 249 women , 430 girls and 318 boys, this amount , very high considering the relatively small population of these villages .
Note that in the description of the children slaughtered, only on the high altar of the church of Moca was 40 , but this fact is only narrated by the author , were beheaded on the island are uncountable , as this action by order of Dessalines was implemented in many parts of the French territory of the island and thousands.
Interestingly, the relationship women - children who were brought from Santiago for Haiti " like sheep " because while women were 249 children totaled 748 , ie three times more children than women. Women and children of prisoners and dragged James to Haiti totaled 997 people , but this group was only leading from Santiago . There were credible reports of actions identified in Moca and Santiago but tells Filled by order of Henri Christophe " Monte Plata , San Pedro and Cotu? were reduced to ashes , and its inhabitants slaughtered or taken captive as animals, bound and abused in amounts thousands into the territory of Haiti. "
That he was dragged by 900 vegans and were burned addition Santiago San Francisco de Macoris , Moca , Puerto Plata and Montecristi. It is clear that when they say they were "dragged " 900 vegans to Santiago it is indicated that number of people was conducted as prisoners and that all were on foot . So the 900 vegans driven , " drawn " , must be added that were being " dragged" from Monte Plata, San Pedro , Cotu? , San Francisco and Moca, and those who were taken prisoner in Puerto Plata and Montecristi , and also " dragged" walk toward the distant territory of Haiti.
If in each of these communities acted as in Santiago, where men were slain and taken prisoners "dragged " women and children , it is reasonable to estimate that women and children " dragged" there were thousands . And as many prisoners beheaded would add a huge amount considering that in many cases, exceeded beheaded walk taken as prisoners to Haitian territory ...
All this is an immeasurable tragedy before which , in connection with this work, two considerations should be referred , as indicated by the first authors cited , and the second would explain the emphasis , the particular interest in the slaughter and driving children as prisoners , " dragged" with thirst and hunger walk for Haiti .
The first consideration is referred to the fact that Dessalines must leave the place that had to Santo Domingo in 1805 , a failure of enormous dimension Haiti, equivalent to a major military defeat for the capital of the former Spanish colony , decisive importance in addition to its strategy , was occupied by the French army , which was the number one military objective Haitian army .
This adverse situation markedly antagonized Dessalines , who before leaving the site " did give the order to the commanders of the various conquered common to gather all the people and reduce them to prison , so that your first order them trampled by mules and other animals, to reach the Haitian " .
In addition , under the final instructions left several generals Dessalines before leaving the site , " they pushed before them the rest of the people , animals and beasts ... burned down towns, villages , herds and cities, brought devastation everywhere , iron and fire, and did not spare but individuals destined by S. M. to be taken as prisoners. "
This is important to note that the part of the two preceding paragraphs quoted above was extracted from the War Diary Dessalines himself , so that, part confession , relay testing , in good law according to lawyers familiar .
It should be noted that the invading army of Dessalines was constituted of more than twenty thousand soldiers , very well equipped with the best weapons of war time in Europe , who had captured the Haitian army defeated Napoleon Bonaparte in Saint - Domingue , ie , in Haiti. As we have seen , those over twenty thousand men were ordered , in their retreat , driving to Haiti as prisoners to all the Dominican people , "or the rest of them " , those who stayed alive, because men prisoners were terribly slaughtered mercilessly.
If only James were " dragged" 249 women , 430 girls and 318 boys , as revealed by Alejandro Filled , and La Vega 900 vegans , then we must infer that added the rest of the communities through which the army passed and were thousands .
Unfortunately there is no documentary evidence of this genocide in the southern region of the country , which was where he retired with a portion of his vast army Dessalines himself . There are only references in the text written by Gaspar de Arredondo and Pichardo about the horror that told fugitives on the roads and mountains Cibao arrived quickly fleeing from the South territory .
There is a second consideration I express here . Some historians hold the belief that the invasion of Dessalines was in response to a decree intemperate , characteristic of the war, Lois Ferrand French general , who was at that time governor of the colony of Santo Domingo .
In his article " Invasion of Dessalines " Filled quote Alejandro well Ferrand this decree , which was in response to a calling Dessalines proclaims the inhabitants of the Spanish part of the island to surrender. But his unusual decree of January 6, 1805 3 Ferrand authorizes the inhabitants and Spanish authorities capture the territory of the Republic of Haiti children up to 14 years old in order to sell them, as they did with blacks at all , like common slaves.
Evidently, the engine immediately Dessalines invasion was not the decree , but its content should provoke outrage in the Haitian authorities because the message of the text amounted to a proposal to restore slavery, which had evidently been overcome with the proclamation of Independence of Haitians , and which had been suppressed by the French Revolution plus previous years.
The slaughter of 40 children on the altar of the church of Moca and driving as prisoners to Haiti of 748 children in Santiago should be a clear message. These , as we have said , are data that are documented, but it had to be unique cases . In other Dominican communities in which hit the butcher known as Henri Christophe should have been produced mass beheadings of innocent children for their own direct orders. One could say without being exaggerated , killing it Dessalines and his supporters , surpassed the 10,000 executions throughout the country, a sum appalling considering the mass dependence of the time, but later the Jean - Jacques Dessalines himself was assassinated , as fate , in the same way they killed their prisoners were ordered in 1806 , his body was first beheaded and then furiously cut into pieces for his murderers . Dessalines was betrayed by his top aides Petion and Christopher who later divided the country and that he used with the same method used with the enemies .
But these actions , both Dessalines and Trujillo itself are seen from the historical and contemporary political mistakes must not be repeated ever .
*Many close friends of Dominican dictator Rafael Leonidas Trujillo said that he liked to hear the stories of Dominican historians about this and their views on the attitude of Dessalines , remaining always stupefied by such stories , some even claim that the decision of the killing of 1937 , was closely linked to a desired but could avenge wrong answer in part those facts, and in this way give midpoint balance inclined to hate that accentuated still early twentieth century actions Dessalines . Although very safe, these statements can hardly be tested , because Trujillo was careful not to leave written documentation on such delicate facts.
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by: Raifi Genao
 

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Haitian atrocities of 1805 are detailed by Thomas Madiou himself ( his version is fair because all the facts are exposed), or Bosch, Pons, Deive, Jaime de Jesus Dominguez etc. They are facts and nobody can deny them, however the tone used by the narrator posted by Gurabo seems suspicious to me.

yes, but Madiou was BORN in 1814 so he cannot claim to be a witness and he is Haitian so how can one say that his verstion is fair? I do not know. It is available for download. Should I bother to plough through it...?

There has been plenty written on the Haitian side, what seems to be missing really is the Dominican side. And from the time there seems only one book

Memoria de mi salida de la isla de Santo Domingo el 28 abril de 1805 - Gaspar de Arredondo y Pichardo - Google Books

which appears to be out of print in Spanish and never translated into either French or English.

It is very short, only 94 pages. A long letter... they say.. and a first hand account, from an eye witness. It would seem to be an historical treasure.

Why, I wonder, has it been allowed to rot?

Why has it not been translated into English?

Having it reprinted and translated in Spanish, and Kreyole and English, might go a long way to helping the world understand the Dominican point fo view. Just skip the French. That would serve them right.
 

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and the French definitive history

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Histoire d'Haiti - Thomas Madiou - Google Livres

Thomas Madiou (30 April 1814 - 1884) was a Haitian historian. His work Histoire d'Ha?ti (English: History of Haiti) is considered one of the most valuable documents of Haitian literature. His history tried to repair the reputation of the black leaders of the Haitian Revolution, especially Toussaint Louverture, portraying the struggle as a justified rebellion against the terrible oppression of slavery. This placed his work in contrast to the history written by Beaubrun Ardouin, appearing a few years after Madiou's, which tried to place the Haitian Revolution in the context of the other independence struggles in Latin America and deny it a class or racial character. Ardouin was trying to make Haiti fit into the community of nations in the Americas in the 1830s while Madiou was stressing what made Haiti unique.
Born in Port-au-Prince, Madiou left Haiti at age ten to study in France at the Royal College of Angers (Coll?ge Royal d'Angers). He later studied in Rennes, France and received a Bachelor of Arts degree in Letters there. He then attended the Law School of Paris for two years before returning to Haiti. It was then that he began writing Histoire d'Ha?ti. Madiou also worked as Director of Le Moniteur, the official government publication, in 1849.

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First Thomas Madiou was a light skinned mulatto and looked white. I like his book because even if he was of course a patriot there is not one bit of Anti Dominican bias in his masterpiece. Plus he gathered all the official letters of that period, including Dessalines' letters before and after the 1805 attack.

A Haitian source is of course suspicious and worse he didn't witness the massacre, correct?

As far as Gaspar de Arredondo's description being "harsh", having innocent people being slaughtered by a bunch of savages isn't anything less, sorry.

Finally, with all due respect your claim of unbiased interest is in direct conflict with your numerous revisionist posts, like dismissing a Dominican's first hand account of the slaughter of innocent people.
 

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Chip.. it really does not help matters along here for you to pipe in here calling the Haitian arny savages. When they had defeated Napoleon's army, had already been fighting for 13 years before they got here... marched under commanders... yes, they killed civilians and children....

So perhaps they did not obey what you consider the proper RULES of war fare..

which are .. to simply use

napalm and agent orange and depleted uranium bullets and drones

so I hardly think think that any American in this century has the right to call the Haitian slaves fighting for their freedom and the freedom of their children

"savages"

otherwise, i agree with your post
 

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Chip.. it really does not help matters along here for you to pipe in here calling the Haitian arny savages. When they had defeated Napoleon's army, had already been fighting for 13 years before they got here... marched under commanders... yes, they killed civilians and children....

So perhaps they did not obey what you consider the proper RULES of war fare..

which are .. to simply use

napalm and agent orange and depleted uranium bullets and drones

so I hardly think think that any American in this century has the right to call the Haitian slaves fighting for their freedom and the freedom of their children

"savages"

otherwise, i agree with your post

The Haitian soldiers and their leaders that killed the Dominican civilians are nothing less than savages, please don't pc wash this, thank you.

I understand the truth can be uncomfortable but if we don't learn from it we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

Out of respect of the innocents killed and Dominicans I would ask you and other foreigners to refrain from diminishing these horrific events any further. Let's get back on track please.
 

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Chip.. it really does not help matters along here for you to pipe in here calling the Haitian arny savages. When they had defeated Napoleon's army, had already been fighting for 13 years before they got here... marched under commanders... yes, they killed civilians and children....

So perhaps they did not obey what you consider the proper RULES of war fare..

which are .. to simply use

napalm and agent orange and depleted uranium bullets and drones

so I hardly think think that any American in this century has the right to call the Haitian slaves fighting for their freedom and the freedom of their children

"savages"

otherwise, i agree with your post

Come on Annie. Please tell me HOW butchering innocent civilians in the Dominican Republic was fighting for their freedom??? THEY were the invaders. THEY were the attackers. It was NOT a war.

I'm not trying to minimize what Haitian slaves suffered at the hands of the French. One has nothing to do with the other. But please don't try to rationalize, forgive or excuse what happened in the Cibao by saying it helped their fight for freedom. I agree with Chip - it was savagery. If I close my eyes and try to imagine the scenes, it's simply horrifying.
 

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Chip.. it really does not help matters along here for you to pipe in here calling the Haitian arny savages. When they had defeated Napoleon's army, had already been fighting for 13 years before they got here... marched under commanders... yes, they killed civilians and children....

So perhaps they did not obey what you consider the proper RULES of war fare..

which are .. to simply use

napalm and agent orange and depleted uranium bullets and drones

so I hardly think think that any American in this century has the right to call the Haitian slaves fighting for their freedom and the freedom of their children

"savages"

otherwise, i agree with your post

None of which excuses their excesses. Why are "YOU" bringing America in to this.
 

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Come on Annie. Please tell me HOW butchering innocent civilians in the Dominican Republic was fighting for their freedom??? THEY were the invaders. THEY were the attackers. It was NOT a war.

I'm not trying to minimize what Haitian slaves suffered at the hands of the French. One has nothing to do with the other. But please don't try to rationalize, forgive or excuse what happened in the Cibao by saying it helped their fight for freedom. I agree with Chip - it was savagery. If I close my eyes and try to imagine the scenes, it's simply horrifying.

They were indeed at war with the French who controlled the eastern part who signed a treaty with the Cibaenos thus it was fighting for their freedom. How can one not connect the suffering of the Haitian people from the real savages who were the French/Spanish? We have to look at this event within the context of how the colonizers treated these slaves. Close your eyes and see the scenes of the African Slaves who face horrific accounts of this nature for centuries. I found it ironic how one can quickly utter savagery towards Haitians, while not doing the same towards the French and Spanish. Also it was not declared Dominican Republic during 1805 rather a possesion of the French who took over from the Spanish. As Americans, I think one would refrain to call these people savagery during that time frame as they were fighting for the dire life not to succumb to the savagery ways of the French and Spanish.

Look at what the savages did to the Cacos and Charlemagne Peralte who was Haitian-Dominican. I am reading nothing but bigotry by posters whose ancestors have more innocent blood on there hands than Haitians and Dominicans. Again, the Polish and Germans never suffered these accounts. Why?, well they didn't sign a treaty with the enemy to sell Haitians back into slavery. These people were casualty of war. Can we stop using condescending words to describe these heros? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
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They were indeed at war with the French who controlled the eastern part who signed a treaty with the Cibaenos thus it was fighting for their freedom. How can one not connect the suffering of the Haitian people from the real savages who were the French/Spanish? We have to look at this event within the context of how the colonizers treated these slaves. Close your eyes and see the scenes of the African Slaves who face horrific accounts of this nature for centuries. I found it ironic how one can quickly utter savagery towards Haitians, while not doing the same towards the French and Spanish. Also it was not declared Dominican Republic during 1805 rather a possesion of the French who took over from the Spanish. As Americans, I think would refrain to call these people savagery during that time frame as they were fighting for the dire life not to succumb to the savagery ways of the French and Spanish. Look at what the savages did to the Cacos and Charlemagne Peralte who was Haitian-Dominican. I am reading nothing but bigotry by posters whose ancestors have more innocent blood on there hands than Haitians and Dominicans. Again, the Polish and Germans never suffered these accounts. Why?, well they didn't sign a treaty with the enemy to sell Haitians back into slavery. These people were casualty of war.

We can agree to disagree.

As far as my ancestors having innocent blood on their hands, they all lived in isolated mountaintop villages in Italy until about 100 years ago. I suppose there is a miniscule possibility that the Sicilians participated in the Vespers against the hated French [did anybody ever like them?], but that was in 1282. Please don't paint all Americans with the same brush.
 

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ok sorry for my outburst at Chip but I guess we all have a different point of view.. and we are so used to the idea that there are innocent civilians and that war is something that we just get to "do" with designated people who are to be killed. I was just trying to underline that America, and by that I mean all our American tax dollars at work, have been decimating villages, and killing innocent civilians all through this century. And many people could well call us savages. We do not even count the innocent civilians killed.

As for the slaughter of the Spanish colonists. ... which was carried out not by Dessalines, I think, but the troops of Christophe, well.. perhaps they did or did not sign the agreement with the French but they are on record as being collaborators.

So I if you wish to apply the word "savage" to all wars, to all warriors, to all it, then ok. But historically here, the Haitians are called "savages" while the French are called, well, "civilized" whereas I take more James' point of view.

Perhaps in the history of the DR there is a record of what really happened between the French and the gentlemen of the Cibao, of how they reached the agreement on how many pesos for each Haitian? That would take some exhonerating research in national archives.

But, from my point of view, they had signed a contract with the French to capture Haitians and reintroduce them to slavery and sell their children to be shipped away. So the men were killed, the women and children were taken prisoner. It was horrible but it is not without an explanation. So that would be a defense that would be offered, were this a war crimes trial.

Which, I guess, it is.
 

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AE.. it was MOST CERTAINLY a war.. Napolean's troops had been driven out of the western half in 1803. And reinforcements were sent here..to the Western side which was under French control.. There were no other troops. Only the French troops and the Spanish settlers, the 35,000 whites and the 90000 mulattos and blackes.

The colonists could not have been ignorant of what was happening. They had been trading cattle with Haiti. They chose to side with the French.
 
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