Trouble at Perla Marina

chico bill

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Looks llike Juan Perdomo (who lives in Perla Marina) is building THIS project there 😒
A "rainwater collection system" sure wouldn't provide a working building of this size this year, meaning - if you buy a condo in that building you will have to share the cost of trucking in water if you want to shower.
And if every condo pays equal amounts, and while you live alone but Uncle Tito and his 6 kids and girlfriend, Paloma Blanca, live upstairs it means you get 1/8 of the purchased water truck load ...... meaning you better take long long showers to justify the extra cost each month the rain is sparse (like the last 4)
 

JD Jones

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And now we know, the rest of the story. Power and money prevails.
Truth is stranger than fiction!

I would never want to live in a place where I have to walk from a parking lot to a building where I have to climb stairs, but that's probably just me.
 

chico bill

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Truth is stranger than fiction!

I would never want to live in a place where I have to walk from a parking lot to a building where I have to climb stairs, but that's probably just me.
Geezer..... Schlepping grocery bags in the rain from the car to the wet stairs adds a sense of adventure & excitement to you aging bones.
For me - I would never belong to a Condo Association that would have me as a member.......
 

Olly

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From a Facebook Page by Perla Marina HOA:

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IMPORTANT INFORMATION REGARDING PERLA MARINA/INFORMATION IMPORTANTE SOBRE PERLA MARINA FROM/DESDE: PERLA MARINA HOA.
As you may already be aware, the HOA has been addressing concerns that afflict our community regarding the proliferation of multiple houses being built on residential lots where traditionally one house was allowed (and was part of every owners original purchase contract)
We encourage our neighbours to witness what Perla Marina will look like if this is allowed to continue by visiting existing construction sites on Paseo Marino and Paseo Del Ambar
It is imperative for us to have legal support if we are to stop what is currently happening from becoming the norm and the future of Perla Marina.
Firstly, we need to stop Ayuntomiento planning department from approving planning requests that are in breach of the urbanisation law 847/09. This law states that the minimum lot size for a development is 450m2 (half the size of Perla Marina's original minimum lot size) – yet they have been approving lots as small as 250m2.
Secondly, we need to reinstate the original clause that protects Perla Marina from oversaturated development by developers who have no other interest than maximising their profit regardless of the impact on Perla Marina. For this we need to recreate the original Perla Marina urbanisation plans – which Sosua City Hall cannot locate in their archives. We will need to search other government agencies such as the Office of Turismo and the Liga Municipal Dominicana which are all located in Santo Domingo. We may also have to hire an architect to re-draw Perla Marina and establish the current lot sizes (as Ayuntomiento is refusing to accept copies of the original architect plans that we have).
We will not be able to undo what Ayuntomiento and the developers have already done to Perla Marina, but hopefully we will be able to halt the destruction and re-impose building restrictions necessary to keep Perla Marina as close as possible to its original purpose.
What we need most right now is people to be vocal about their view at what is happening – whether that is on the various facebook forums or by letting us know they can support actions we are taking on their behalf.
Whilst the HOA board strictly speaking represents HOA members only, the impact of what is happening will be felt by both members and non members – so on this issue we feel it's appropriate to share what we are doing with all Perla residents.
The first step of filing against Ayuntomiento is planned to take place as soon as possible to prevent any further permissions being granted


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What we need most right now is people to be vocal about their view at what is happening and that is why it has been posted here!.

Olly and the Team
 
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Olly

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Thanks Windy!
This over building problem coupled with the water problem in Perla Marina will soon make these new properties un- sellable .
The water problem now has now got to the stage where wells are going salty about halfway into Perla Marina and there is no supply from Coraapplata . You will know this from your own well if you ever managed to build it . Salty water after a while !
Lots were intended for one dwelling and the original infrastructure built to support that is now over whelmed by the sheer number of dwelling being built - often six or more on a lot that is intended for one dwelling. Real Estate Agents and Brokers will not tell clients this about the water as it will put off a potential buyer. We have already been threatened with legal action because somebody said they lost a sale when the information about water in Perla Marina was published in May.
Such problems not only hurt new build sales but also existing owners who have seen buyer shy away from Perla Marina because of the water situation.
Reputation is hard to gain and so easily destroyed. Perla Marina is having its great reputation destroyed by the over building and water problems.
Olly and the team.
 

windeguy

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The water situation is certainly what will limit growth.

It won't be complaints to the government that does it.
 

JD Jones

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I can see sales of desalinization equipment surging soon.
 

Abuela

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Missing from the water discussions is the fact Coraplata installed meters almost 3 years ago and then turned off the water. Why?
 

XQT

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Thanks Windy!
This over building problem coupled with the water problem in Perla Marina will soon make these new properties un- sellable .
The water problem now has now got to the stage where wells are going salty about halfway into Perla Marina and there is no supply from Coraapplata . You will know this from your own well if you ever managed to build it . Salty water after a while !
Lots were intended for one dwelling and the original infrastructure built to support that is now over whelmed by the sheer number of dwelling being built - often six or more on a lot that is intended for one dwelling. Real Estate Agents and Brokers will not tell clients this about the water as it will put off a potential buyer. We have already been threatened with legal action because somebody said they lost a sale when the information about water in Perla Marina was published in May.
Such problems not only hurt new build sales but also existing owners who have seen buyer shy away from Perla Marina because of the water situation.
Reputation is hard to gain and so easily destroyed. Perla Marina is having its great reputation destroyed by the over building and water problems.
Olly and the team.
From the Merkot State Water thread,

Service quality​

Despite decentralization efforts and continued government support, quality and continuity of service are inadequate in the Dominican Republic. Water scarcity is increasing mainly due to excessive consumption in urban areas, a lack of demand management (low tariffs, low share of metering, limited environmental consciousness) and watershed degradation. Watershed degradation occurs mainly in the lower sections of most coastal basins and is a result of unplanned settlements and activities and lack of sanitation services.


Although coastal limestone aquifers contain only about 4 percent of the available groundwater reserves, human activities in the southeast of the country (from Santo Domingo to La Romana and Punta Cana) are heavily dependent on them – for example, some 30 percent of Santo Domingo's water supply comes from underground sources. As a result, coastal limestone aquifers are overdrafted and seawater intrusion already reaches inland 20 to 50 km from the seashore. Many coastal aquifers are at risk of contamination from agrochemicals and poorly located solid waste disposal, contributing to water scarcity by making resources unavailable.[5]

Tourism depends to a great extent on the quality of water resources and the coastal environment. However, the tourism industry is threatened by the deficiency of the water and sewerage services and the environmental pollution caused by inadequate management and disposal of sewage and solid waste.[4]

On the other hand, tourism harms the Dominican Republic's water resources and environment. WRM issues associated with tourism include: dumping of untreated waste water and solid waste along the coast, overexploitation of groundwater, destruction of forest cover, and overfishing of coral reef and marine species.

Water resources management in the Dominican Republic - Wikipedia


en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org

The DR needs international cooperation and investments to unlock its potential.
It is up to Abinader to facilitate this through negotiations and to strengthen economic ties to other States.


Overdevelopment of parcels is a problem for those already living there.
The fight is hard as one is fighting developers and government agencies, who often work together for profit having a self interest.
Conflict of interest.
 

XQT

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I can see sales of desalinization equipment surging soon.
Maybe the new Chinese partners can help.




Doable if you are willing to pay.
The question is how much extra are people willing to pay just to live a semi normal life in the DR?
Basic infrastructure for everyone, say the people.............Dominicans.
 
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XQT

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"A new video is basically blaming Americans/Canadians and Europeans for the increase of the prices of so many things in the DR.

Is this the beginning of a new trend? Will Dominicans begin to feel resentment whenever they see a Gringo?" From another thread

Are foreigners feeling resentment for overpaying on property prices on overdeveloped parcels with underdeveloped services and being charged higher prices wherever they go?
Is a new video coming?
 
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Olly

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XQT = Thanks you for those extensive posts but you do not mention Perla Marina once!!! Please make it more relevant to the discussion!

Olly ( No Team)
 

XQT

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XQT = Thanks you for those extensive posts but you do not mention Perla Marina once!!! Please make it more relevant to the discussion!

Olly ( No Team)

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Perla Marina overbuilding, water problems and salt water incursion.

Buyer beware Perla Marina

The HOA is free to engage in costly litigation to protect their rights.
Dominican developers and government agencies do collaborate for financial reasons.
Foreigners are in a weak position fighting against them.

They frequently overpay for perceived security and convenience.
One does have more control on a private property with deslinde.
In addition in strata shared communities one faces high USD maintenance fees, with little control.
Obviously some HOA and properties are better than others.
If you want to learn about Perla Marina water problems read the articles which directly relate to Perla Marina water problems and overbuilding,
Often without proper sewage treatment.

Although coastal limestone aquifers contain only about 4 percent of the available groundwater reserves, human activities in the southeast of the country (from Santo Domingo to La Romana and Punta Cana) are heavily dependent on them – for example, some 30 percent of Santo Domingo's water supply comes from underground sources. As a result, coastal limestone aquifers are overdrafted and seawater intrusion already reaches inland 20 to 50 km from the seashore. Many coastal aquifers are at risk of contamination from agrochemicals and poorly located solid waste disposal, contributing to water scarcity by making resources unavailable.[5]

Tourism depends to a great extent on the quality of water resources and the coastal environment. However, the tourism industry is threatened by the deficiency of the water and sewerage services and the environmental pollution caused by inadequate management and disposal of sewage and solid waste.[4]

On the other hand, tourism harms the Dominican Republic's water resources and environment. WRM issues associated with tourism include: dumping of untreated waste water and solid waste along the coast, overexploitation of groundwater, destruction of forest cover, and overfishing of coral reef and marine species.


Water resources management in the Dominican Republic - Wikipedia


en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org


XQT

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I can see sales of desalinization equipment surging soon.
Maybe the new Chinese partners can help.

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The Hidden Costs of Desalination | The Bill Lane Center for the American West

New study finds that U.S. food production comes at a high cost to the environment and people of Mexico
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theconversation.com

Desalination may be key to averting global water shortage, but it will take time

Drinkable water resources are becoming increasingly scarce. Are technologies such as desalination capable of averting such a crisis?
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theconversation.com

Doable if you are willing to pay.
The question is how much extra are people willing to pay just to live a semi normal life in the DR?
Basic infrastructure for everyone, say the people.............Dominicans.
 

chico bill

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I think Perla Marina is a nice location but having to buy trucked water is the only real solution. Salty wells destroy everything and the water is nasty. And will only become saltier over time.
In Saudi Arabia we had desalination plants for water - it was also nasty tasting and we used bottled water for brushing teeth.
Water is in short supply and will end building at some point.
Yet when illegal connections are reported to Corraplata - they take no action.
If they ended leaking and illegal connections the supply could easily double and maybe they would have enough to supply Perla Marina adequate supplies of potable water. But Corraplata just ignores it.
But stopping developers from violating building restrictions is just one more thing that will be ignored.
WATER = LIFE.
Install rain catchment systems and do rain dances (or try to sell and move)
 

Olly

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More trouble in Perla Marina !!! Just on their FB page the following :
Dear members,
Due to irreconcilable differences, the acting President of Perla Marina HOA, has tendered his resignation and the remaining board members have accepted his request with immediate effect.
As per the HOA By Laws , the Vice President will temporarily assume the role of acting president until a replacement can be found and elected.
If anyone has any questions or concerns, please contact the HOA at,
Perlamarinahoa@gmail.com
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Estimados miembros,
Debido a diferencias irreconciliables, Presidente en funciones de Perla Marina HOA, ha presentado su dimisión y el resto de miembros de la junta han aceptado su petición con efecto inmediato.
De acuerdo con los Estatutos de la Asociación, el Vicepresidente asumirá temporalmente el papel de presidente en funciones hasta que un sustituto pueda ser encontrado y elegido.
Si alguien tiene alguna pregunta o inquietud, por favor póngase en contacto con el HOA en, Perlamarinahoa@gmail.com

Olly and the Team
 

windeguy

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I think Perla Marina is a nice location but having to buy trucked water is the only real solution. Salty wells destroy everything and the water is nasty. And will only become saltier over time.
In Saudi Arabia we had desalination plants for water - it was also nasty tasting and we used bottled water for brushing teeth.
Water is in short supply and will end building at some point.
Yet when illegal connections are reported to Corraplata - they take no action.
If they ended leaking and illegal connections the supply could easily double and maybe they would have enough to supply Perla Marina adequate supplies of potable water. But Corraplata just ignores it.
But stopping developers from violating building restrictions is just one more thing that will be ignored.
WATER = LIFE.
Install rain catchment systems and do rain dances (or try to sell and move)
A rain water collection system would be of almost zero use to me in Cabarete.
Not sure why people keep pushing it as a great solution.

Sounds like Perla Marina is screwed.
 

cavok

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All the roofs on our condo buildings have a rainwater collection system that goes to the cistern. It complements our well water. It definitely is not a complete solution. We do not use Coraaplata street water at all. Insufficient pressure.