Warning PCR test will be required to enter Canada with in 3 days of arrival

[aname4me]

With a PCR Test..... the chances of a False Positive is (said to be) 0.5%

So.... with an airplane carrying 175 passengers there (statistically) would be 0.875 False Positives

So.... for every flight back to Canada, someone will get a False Positive and NOT be allowed to board.

 

[La Profe_1]

Grupo Rescue, whom I have never heard is on the list of approved but no idea on test result times.

Grupo Rescue is the name of the company that operates Bournigal in Puerto Plata, the medical facility in Playa Dorada and a hospital in Punta Cana. I cannot remember where their third hospital is located but I think perhaps La Romana or that area.

 

[lifeisgreat]

$199 a test? And here I thought such things in Canada were free.

Yes it is free..just not if you ignore gov advice to stay put.. notice the theme DONT GO ..

 

[windeguy]

Yes it is free..just not if you ignore gov advice to stay put.. notice the theme DONT GO ..

That is not what I consider free. It is certainly not freedom.

 

[lifeisgreat]

That is not what I consider free. It is certainly not freedom.

Which? If you travel you want government to pay for test...ohh white government privilege IC...maybe they should pay for travel insurance to, frig what the hell hotel too

 

[XTraveller]

The Air Transat website updated last night and has said that certain places like south (DR) will need the PCR test within 96 hours from Jan 7- 13. Then Jan 14th onward it will be within 72 hours of the scheduled flight.

I went to Bournigal in PP today to get my test. I emailed in advance and they said come today at 9am even though it is 101 hours before my flight they said i need to come then to be able to get results in time. I have this all documented by email. There were other Canadians in there going on a later flight than me on Monday as well.

This Test was a RT PCR Test swabbed both nostrils and the results will be emailed to me (I'm sure hoping before my flight). It cost 4500 pesos.

It was really easy, under 45 minutes for the whole thing, much easier than any experience I have had in any hospital here. Bring your passport.

I went to the International Division (Division Internacional) on the first floor of Bournigal to the right of main entrance after you enter. Everything is done in there, the paperwork, paying and the test. There were 3 very nice ladies in there 2 for sure spoke english.

The Lady who I emailed and was in charge was Heidy Ramos
Phone number is 809-586-2342 Ext 2124 cell 809-284-2443
email is internacional.cmbo@gruporescue.com

I will be going to CMC later within the 96 hours to get the AG PCR test there as well as I don't trust Dom time and I am extra paranoid about being stuck here for any reason. I don't know how sticky the airlines or Canada will be about within the time frame or the whole "AG PCR" thing at cmc so just want to be extra sure I have no issues.

So now we have a RT PCR test and an AG PCR test. Do you know the different and which one Canada wants. I think that AG would be Antigen but RT ?. Harleysrock when you return in Canada please keep us inform which one Canada wants maybe either or?

 

[Ecoman1949]

With a PCR Test..... the chances of a False Positive is (said to be) 0.5%

So.... with an airplane carrying 175 passengers there (statistically) would be 0.875 False Positives

So.... for every flight back to Canada, someone will get a False Positive and NOT be allowed to board.

My concern would be the number of false negatives. Much larger than the false positives. In all likely hood there will be infected passengers on the returning flights. Close proximity to an infected person not wearing proper PPE would be a major concern for me. For four to five hours, your playing Covid roulette.

 

[windeguy]

Which? If you travel you want government to pay for test...ohh white government privilege IC...maybe they should pay for travel insurance to, frig what the hell hotel too

If the government provides free tests, unless you make a decision to travel after that test, then that is not freedom to do what you want.
It is the government making a decision for you.

Nobody said anything about white privilege, or travel insurance and hotels, but I understand how some people like to exaggerate with irrelevant comments in order to cover up a failed effort at making their point. The government is making decisions for you if they deny a free test if you want to travel, but give you one for free if you are not travelling.

 

[windeguy]

My concern would be the number of false negatives. Much larger than the false positives. In all likely hood there will be infected passengers on the returning flights. Close proximity to an infected person not wearing proper PPE would be a major concern for me. For four to five hours, your playing Covid roulette.

In that case, just stay home. It is the best you can personally do about such situations.

 

[MGD]

If the government provides free tests, unless you make a decision to travel after that test, then that is not freedom to do what you want.
It is the government making a decision for you.

The test is free for people with symptoms or a potential exposure.
They are not supposed to be free everybody, but it is easy enough to get.

The Canadian government's position has been clear and consistent for 9 months.
Don't travel unless it is essential.
Of course they don't want to have policies and processes that facilitate or encourage people to go away for a holiday.

People who need to quarantine for 2 weeks can get $500 per week, but now returning vacationers do not qualify.

 

[chico bill]

With a PCR Test..... the chances of a False Positive is (said to be) 0.5%

So.... with an airplane carrying 175 passengers there (statistically) would be 0.875 False Positives

So.... for every flight back to Canada, someone will get a False Positive and NOT be allowed to board.

Where in the world did you get that statistic ?
First it depends on the number of amplification cycles. Anything 20 or less is reliable.
After that 20-40 cycles the false positives increase and over 40 is meaningless.
A lot of unskilled people take the samples and perhaps run the PCR testing, which might be over-cycled. Basically anything over 35 should be stopped. But most US & Canadian labs cycle to 40
But some labs are going above 40 - It's no more reliable than Irdology.

July 16, 2020, podcast [2], “This Week in Virology”: Tony Fauci (If you can believe him) makes a point of saying the PCR COVID test is useless and misleading when the test is run at “35 cycles or higher.” A positive result, indicating infection, cannot be accepted or believed.

Here, in techno-speak, is an excerpt from Fauci’s key quote (starting at about the 4-minute mark): “…If you get [perform the test at] a cycle threshold of 35 or more…the chances of it being replication-confident [aka accurate] are miniscule…you almost never can culture virus [detect a true positive result] from a 37 threshold cycle…even 36…”

Each “cycle” of the test is a quantum leap in amplification and magnification of the test specimen taken from the patient.

Too many cycles, and the test will turn up all sorts of irrelevant material that will be wrongly interpreted as relevant.

That’s called a false positive.

What Fauci failed to say on the video is: the FDA, which authorizes the test for public use, recommends the test should be run up to 40 cycles. Not 35

And what is a positive PCR test ? While better than an antigen test for false positives it means only that the presence of the Covid was detected, no matter how minute, and does not mean a person contracted the disease, will contract it nor is able to transmit it.

Everyone walking around over 30 has cells susceptible to, or already cancerous, in their body. Does that mean they have cancer or will die from this - No.

We all have viruses in our body in the community of human virome.
Many of these viruses infect the bacteria that live inside of humans and are known as bacteriophages, or phages for short.
Phages kill bacteria in the body and can keep us healthy.

Do not believe you have Covid nor can transmit it even with a positive PCR test. If you show symptoms then take precautions.

Canada is being overly-paranoid in trusting PCR and really for a country, who took major steps at controlling immigrations and flights early on, they are not stopping the spread.
Vaccines and her immunity will stop it.

 

[windeguy]

The test is free for people with symptoms or a potential exposure.
They are not supposed to be free everybody, but it is easy enough to get.

The Canadian government's position has been clear and consistent for 9 months.
Don't travel unless it is essential.
Of course they don't want to have policies and processes that facilitate or encourage people to go away for a holiday.

People who need to quarantine for 2 weeks can get $500 per week, but now returning vacationers do not qualify.

As I mentioned: Yet another government attempting to restrict personal freedoms. That position is certainly clear.
Eventually arbitrary decisions will be made to stop those restrictions unless of course they go on forever and ever.

 

[Harleysrock]

My concern would be the number of false negatives. Much larger than the false positives. In all likely hood there will be infected passengers on the returning flights. Close proximity to an infected person not wearing proper PPE would be a major concern for me. For four to five hours, your playing Covid roulette.

It's .01% I think you should be more concerned with the amount of False Negatives.

 

[Harleysrock]

So now we have a RT PCR test and an AG PCR test. Do you know the different and which one Canada wants. I think that AG would be Antigen but RT ?. Harleysrock when you return in Canada please keep us inform which one Canada wants maybe either or?

I've never heard of an AG PCR so I don't quite get why CMC has that on their printout, bc it says PCR that may override the AG part but I have no idea.

 

[HarpB]

RT means rapid test

 

[windeguy]

Just a guess,

An AG PCR test might mean that both an Antigen test (AG) and a PCR test were done.
The first shows if you had CV19 recently and the second shows if you have it now.

 

[Ecoman1949]

It's .01% I think you should be more concerned with the amount of False Negatives.

The Harvard Medical blog reviewed all the current Covid tests. PCR false negatives can be as high as 20% if the test is given to infected people too early. The test has a greater degree of accuracy if it’s administered five to seven days after the infection occurs. My earlier post stated my concern about the higher rate of false negatives than false positives.

 

[Harleysrock]

RT means rapid test

RT PCR stands for real-time reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction. There is nothing Rapid about it.

 

[lifeisgreat]

CMC test = antigen not accepted
This from CMC
You will need to confirm with your airline or the consulate if the COVID 19 ANTIGEN PCR is accepted, as that is what we are doing now.

from gov website..

Effective midnight on January 7, 2021 (00:00 EST or 05:00 UCT), proof of a negative laboratory test result must be presented to the airline prior to boarding a flight to Canada. The test must be performed using one of two types of COVID-19 tests–either a molecular polymerase chain reaction (PCR) or Loop-mediated Isothermal Amplification (LAMP) – and must be taken within 72 hours of the traveller’s scheduled departure to Canada. At this time, the Canadian entry requirements are for these two types of COVID-19 test only. Antigen screening or other types of test such as Diffractive Phase Interferometry are not accepted.

 

[AlterEgo]

DR not mentioned but this could be problematic for Canadians

Canadians denied from boarding flights in Cuba, Mexico under new COVID-19 testing rules

New federal rules, requiring anyone flying into the country to show proof of negative COVID-19 test, took effect Thursday

www.theglobeandmail.com