Apparently it is impossible for you to imagine ever being able to tell that someone has been incapacitated.
Has it ever occurred to you that someone who has been knocked unconsious might not be able to talk to you?
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When is self-defense called murder?
Has it ever occurred to you that someone who has been knocked unconsious might not be able to talk to you?
It would depend on the circumstances and I would tend to err on the side of caution but to me that does not mean going psycho caveman of a motionless body.
Did the person go down dazed by a jab or are they flat out on the back from a kick in the face or a baseball bat to the side of the head?
Life is not just black or white for me.
I can`t comment on this particular case as I was not witness to it, unlike some people here.
That looks like a very odd way to tie someone up just to restrain him.
I would tie the hands together, the feet together, and the body to a post.
That guy looks like he may have been strung up to be tried, convicted, and punished.
Are you serious? Do you think you have time to evaluate things? I have been there, and I could tell you if you do not take care of business you might be out of business permanently.
What part of this is so difficult for you to comprehend?
I never claimed that one must try to gently subdue an attacker.
I am saying that self defence doesn`t give the victim a free pass to execute an assailant who is no longer a threat.
Let`s see if the old man`s story passes the smell test.
Isn`t it possible that the story is complete BS?
Maybe these two have some unpleasant history?
What if the old man wasn`t alone and wasn`t even attacked?
What if the alleged fight happened in the house and the fatal blows came from a hammer, machete, and wood that were out back where the guy was strung up?
If you think that pretending to be unconscious is a good strategy in a fight, I hope you don`t ever have to fight or have anybody counting on you to back them up.
You've obviously never been confronted with an actual life-and-death situation.
I have: 2 am, being awakened by an intruder in our bedroom. I documented such on this forum.
I assure you clear thinking doesn't happen. Primordial brain-stem fight-or-flee impulses do.
I'd most likely be a Texan...
I have never picked a physical fight. And I've never lost one.
Ask the LEO's or combat veterans here if faking unconsciousness or even death is ever a strategery in a conflict.
Isn't that just a tad uncivilised? I think you would prefer to live in medieval times or some extreme fundamentalist Muslim country.
Anyway, the older guy had to be arrested, because he killed someone but I very much doubt he will be convicted of anything.
If the newspaper report is correct then I would find the old guy's story hard to believe. He apparently was confronted by not one, but two younger guys. A fight ensues and he ends up killing one while the other flees. There are some tough old guys (my grandpa is one) who can beat a younger guy, but beating up TWO guys? and what's up with the Chilena found at the scene? Who does it belong to? Bottom line is more info is needed on this as to what exactly happened...
It is also a good strategy when being attacked by a bear but what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
The old man could be a hero or he could be a lying murderer.
I was not there, am not involved with the investigation, nor am I psychic so I would not presume to know.
The alleged story and the way the deceased was strung up by the ankles seem like red flags to me warranting a thorough investigation.
Originally Posted by Malibook
That looks like a very odd way to tie someone up just to restrain him.
I would tie the hands together, the feet together, and the body to a post.
That guy looks like he may have been strung up to be tried, convicted, and punished.
That's a comment
Yes you are right.
I`m sorry and I should have been more specific for you.
I meant that I would not be a presumptuous idiot and present baseless opinions as facts.
However, I am open to exploring details and other potential realities.
Like I said, you have NO idea what it's like to be afraid for your life in an attack from an "I Experience" perspective.
Your scholarly hypothetical ponderings of "what would be the correct course of action" are therefore meaningless.
Even if trained, there is no guarantee of proper actions when the bullets fly.
And I hope that potential thieves understand they just might killed by their victim. Might alter their decision tree...
IMO, when you consciously choose to affect another's life or person, you' just voluntarily voided societal protections during the committing of that action.