Do you love my citizenship or my money

[AZB]

Berzin, you under-estimate yourself. You speak perfect spanish and you are a young man with education. You can do alot better than the rest, even myself included. You can certainly get out of the beach areas and easily mingle with the better crowd in santiago/ santo domingo. Maybe you should give this a shot, your perception of DR will change 180 degrees.

Now back to topic:
If a tourist comes here to get sun and get laid, then no place is better than tourist resort area. We are talking about folks who actually become friends with the poor resort scam artists and then confuse them for real domincians. I have seen so many expats and tourists complain how domincians only want their friendship for money, visa, marriage etc etc. how domicians ask for loans, how they think foreigners have unlimited cash, how foreigners live in homes made out of gold in their own country etc etc etc. I want to know what type of chopos you folks hang out with to only think most domincians are like them. Where I live, we see no poverty, no visaless people, no hookers and no low lives. If I want to see all that, I simply have to go to a barrio and I will be just as alienated as the rest. Why surround myself with the useless folks who are nothing but problems? Is this what you look for when you are back in your own respect countries? I guess not.
Why not just come for vacation, have fun with the hotel staff, do whatever that gets your rocks off and then move on? Why fall in love with them? Why look for problem?
Now if you want serious love, then get out from resort and find serious folks like yourself. I don't have intimate dominican friends who want my money, or looking to marry me as a way out of this country. We are all equal here in my circle. We don't look up to no one. This is when problems become smaller and smaller.
AZB

 

[AZB]

I sorry if I offended you I have nothing against chiropractors. Mine is a very nice asian lady who if I tip her, gives me something called a happy ending. Just not the sort of people with whom I would choose to socialize. What next? Massage therapists. One has to draw the line somewhere.

I am not surprised, you are simply a lowlife and you know it.
case closed.
AZB

 

[Ricardo900]

Tourists can easily score with the "well-to-do" in cities like Santiago, but most tourists just don't know how to go about it. It's not hard at all, if you carry yourself well and are somewhat charming. Also, the Dominicans in Santiago are very friendly and outgoing, they'll act snobby if you are loud, disrespectful, and unkept. If you are cool, they are cool. Being a tourist doesn't matter. I don't live in Santiago, but when I go to one of their nicest bars or restaurants, I receive the royal carpet treatment. I recall walking into Ahi bar alone and three hours later walking out with six-pack of presidente light and a four-pack of Ciclone that I won in the bar and the contact info of a nice santiaguera, who I was sitting with along with two of her hot friends.:classic: :classic:

Ricardo
"Tourist"

 

[xamaicano]

Exactly, nor are these tourist giving a rat's ass about some average Joe, who isn't connected enough in the states to get out of parking ticket, and his "high class" Dominican connection.

I believe you're thinking of it too much like the high-class escort industry in the US. People that go to the DR for sankies/sankiettes aren't looking for dominican approval--it's all about self gratification. That's why I never understood the big huff and puff from AZB and the like.

Tourists are coming for just that.......tourism (sex, entertainment, etc. etc). Their preoccupation is not on how they will be viewed sociologically by the foregin upper-class, let alone a country that is classified as the "third world" (not meant to be derogatory, but this is the mindset of tourists to countries such as the dr). Most aren't looking to enter the upper-escalon (sp?) of Dominican society, because a week later they're on a flight back to the "real world".

 

[mountainfrog]

New Calculation

... a nice santiaguera, who I was sitting with along with two of her hot friends.:classic: :classic:

All right, I stand corrected.
Three pounds of salt then.... irate:

m'frog

 

[xamaicano]

If you say so, my good man. But thank heavens, at least I am not a chiropractor.

I am not surprised, you are simply a lowlife and you know it.
case closed.
AZB

 

[Ricardo900]

New New Calculations

All right, I stand corrected.
Three pounds of salt then.... irate:

m'frog

Since I was with them,
make that Four pounds of salt

 

[mountainfrog]

Salt + Pepper

Since I was with them,
make that Four pounds of salt

If you so wish and insist...
I was considering you to be the pepper... :bunny:

m'frog

 

[Exxtol]

I didn't respond to the thread--I responded to your example.

But I don't think you are following the thread. We are discussing people that "fall in love" with sankies not people that come down here for "self gratification". Completely two different topics.

Admittedly, I have not been following the thread closely, but notice i responsed to only the last couple of sentences of your statement. There is an insinuation in your restaurant example that foreigners who hook up with sankies are doing it for status reasons or "to be seen".

--Exxtol

 

[M.A.R.]

If you so wish and insist...
I was considering you to be the pepper... :bunny:

m'frog

is that for being hot/horny or clever?

 

[mountainfrog]

Hot Pepper

is that for being hot/horny or clever?

Your choice, sir, your choice. :bunny:

m'frog

 

[onesweetone]

What do you mean by love?

But I don't think you are following the thread. We are discussing people that "fall in love" with sankies not people that come down here for "self gratification". Completely two different topics.

Sorry but I don't think so. I know that no one falls "in love" in 2 weeks. Maybe lust, but not love. Your question was do you love "my citizenship or my money" and that has nothing to do with "real love". I think most people go on vacation for a good time and are not one bit concerned about how the local Dominicans view them. Some tourist spend their money on excursions or gifts for friends back home and expect to have a great time on the island while some spend their money on a skankie for a good time and that is what they want to pay for.

You make it sound like no Dominican with class or an education would speak, let alone mingle, with a tourist (gringo/gringa) or even talk to another Dominican that is outside of their class or place in society. Are you serious? I hope not. Please explain your point of view because I have met some nice people over there and I did not judge them by class, race or education and I hope that is not how they view me. I am not trying to be funny but even if a Domincan goes to a university in the DR most people in the U.S. consider that a second rate education, and is useless here, because most people think of the DR as a third world country and can't imagine any place where you can't even drink the water as a place full of snobs.

 

[AZB]

If you say so, my good man. But thank heavens, at least I am not a chiropractor.

And it confirms, you will never be one. try being a pimp, will suit you better.
AZB

 

[AnnaC]

I interrupt this interesting discussion to say if you want to pick at each other fine do it by PM but please don't pick on chiropractors. I go to one and I have no idea what a happy ending is at least not in my world

NOW back to Topic.

How much do you love my wallet or something like that

 

[canbon]

Just surviving

I have been in the DR twice in the last 7 months. I have met some really good people who work at the resorts I stayed at. I have learned about and met some of their families, their friends......I have to say that when I read all these different posts about the majority of resort workers working where they do to meet tourists and take advantage of situations it makes me feel very troubled.

I do not think it is fair to these people. Most of them are working just to survive, to get by.

Yes, I have seen and met sankies--my daughter gets emails on a weekly basis from one and we always have a good laugh because its ridiculous --the things he says. I can see how some would take them seriously-that's their problem--let them spend their money--they are obviously getting SOMETHING in return. I just think it is very offensive to the hard-working people just trying to live day-to-day when I see all these posts about resort workers. Jobs aren't easy to come by in the DR--if its a resort you need to work at to survive, that's where you go.

 

[mountainfrog]

Wrong Place - Wrong People

....Yes, I have seen and met sankies....I just think it is very offensive to the hard-working people just trying to live day-to-day when I see all these posts about resort workers.

Do yourself and me a favour:
Next time you come, visit us and I'll take you to hard-working people. *)
Won't be an AI resort, I promise.

m'frog

*) They don't even know what an email is, let alone pay for one to send it to your daughter.

 

[DominicanScotty]

You make a good point

Sorry but I don't think so. I know that no one falls "in love" in 2 weeks. Maybe lust, but not love. Your question was do you love "my citizenship or my money" and that has nothing to do with "real love". I think most people go on vacation for a good time and are not one bit concerned about how the local Dominicans view them. Some tourist spend their money on excursions or gifts for friends back home and expect to have a great time on the island while some spend their money on a skankie for a good time and that is what they want to pay for.

You make it sound like no Dominican with class or an education would speak, let alone mingle, with a tourist (gringo/gringa) or even talk to another Dominican that is outside of their class or place in society. Are you serious? I hope not. Please explain your point of view because I have met some nice people over there and I did not judge them by class, race or education and I hope that is not how they view me. I am not trying to be funny but even if a Domincan goes to a university in the DR most people in the U.S. consider that a second rate education, and is useless here, because most people think of the DR as a third world country and can't imagine any place where you can't even drink the water as a place full of snobs.

yet you have a lot to learn about this culture. There is a class issue in this country just as there is in any other country. However, that is another debate for another time. Not all educated people are good people and not all uneducated people are bad people.

I am not going to judge you because I do not know you and it would not be respectful to do so. However, if you bring a puta or puto into a respected Dominican's house you will know it. A friend of mine tried to bring his "not so serious novia" into a Dominican friend's house. At first she refused and wanted to stay in the car but he insisted and grabbed her hand and led her into the house. Nobody said anything but it was obvious that the chica was uncomfortable. The woman of the house was non too pleased to have this chica in her house either. Later, my friend asked my Dominican friend if he did something wrong. The man of the house was courteous but asked him to not do that in the future. Putas and putos know their place and their place is not going into the house of respectable Dominican families. If you have the habid of dating not so serious people you will soon earn a reputation among your serious Dominican friends. You will find yourself not being invited to too many house dinners.


But then, everyone is different. Please don't be offended because this is not about offending anyone. From my many years of visiting here, living here, having businesses here and dealing with Dominicans of all classes I have learned a thing or two about this culture.

5 posts... you are well on your way. Looking forward to debating with you in the future. Good luck and enjoy!

 

[DominicanScotty]

Gosh a good question

Admittedly, I have not been following the thread closely, but notice i responsed to only the last couple of sentences of your statement. There is an insinuation in your restaurant example that foreigners who hook up with sankies are doing it for status reasons or "to be seen".

--Exxtol

Personally? I do not even notice these folks. Other then the few Ex-Pats I associate with I am almost exclusively with Dominicans. Tourists? I enjoy them when I visit Big Lou's Bar or the Britannia in Sosua. Hey, there are nice people to meet for sure. However, the ones that are convinced that the parasite gropping their arm is someone to "fall in love with"? I do not pay them any attention unless someone else points them out to me. I guess my answer to your question is that they want to be seen with someone that they believe is their prince or princess. I also know of many others that know what they are with and treat them accordingly. They are happy with this and the novia or novio for the moment is also happy because they are being paid for their services.

I know a few of the ladies of the evening from living in town for many years. Some of them are actually basically decent people that have mouths to feed back wherever they are from. They just chose an easy way out instead of going to school and getting a real job. They prefer to BOINK tourists. I don't knock them for what they do and I do not knock the tourists that like being with them. It is the complete idiocy of morons that fall in love with them that I find incredible. YES, they do fall in love with these people in LESS THEN 2 WEEKS....AMAZING EHHHH? These ladies of the evening tell me everything. They find these tourists to be suckers and they tell me if the sucker wants to love them they got to pay, pay pay. The Dominican guys that do this feel the same way. You are somebody they have sex with and you pay them. If you are stupid enough to get them a pasola, a car, money, jewelry, visas, whatever then it's on you.

 

[Berzin]

Berzin, you under-estimate yourself. You speak perfect spanish and you are a young man with education. You can do alot better than the rest, even myself included. You can certainly get out of the beach areas and easily mingle with the better crowd in santiago/ santo domingo. Maybe you should give this a shot, your perception of DR will change 180 degrees.


My perception of the DR is just fine. Like I've stated before I have wealthy firends that I hang out with in the capital and La Vega. But for the first couple of trips I was on my own and did'nt even know about the DR1 website until much later in the game. So I got myself into some dumb situations, but I feel fine about them. Everyone makes mistakes and I'm no different.

My trip in a few days will encompass none of the behavior that I had gotten into on previous ones. Yes, there is a young lady involved but only one, and we have made it clear that it is a friendship that we have, nothing more. I have no visas for sale.

I want to travel to a few places that I have'nt been to and improve my photography skills. And I will be with someone who can show me around. Nothing wrong with that.

I have no desire to hook up long-term with anyone right now, either here in NYC or in the DR. And if it so happens that I want to spend a night with a young lady, I know exactly where to go to find that.

So as far as Santiago goes, I am making plans to go there for Thanksgiving. I was planning on heading up to Sosua to Rockys' Thanksgiving get-together, but I may not. We'll see.

So it's not about underestimating myself-I CHOSE to get myself into those situations. I had my low-life fun, now its' time to enjoy the DR for something different. Hope this makes sense.

 

[onesweetone]

Culture Shock

Thanks for letting me know a little about the Dominican culture. And thank you for being so kind with your words. I really do have a lot to learn about Dominican culture and I would like to. I have some friends here in the U.S. that are Dominican but they did not grow up on the island (well some did but they have been here for awhile). They are classy people and well educated also and that is why I needed you to clear somethings up for me about how Dominicans could view others that are not.

I have enjoyed my few times visiting the island, I have stayed in the AI's, met some nice people, I have visited some of the homes of the locals, and I have met some skankies . I have not had any bad experiences with the locals, they were nice people (some of the nicest people you could meet), and I visited the campo (not with the hotel excursions but with one of the hotel workers), his family was really nice to me, and I have met his family members that live here in the U.S. (if you are wondering they are here with their own visa's, and not with my help ). I understand what you mean when you say that skankies know their place and would not go into the home of a respected person. I really do want to learn more about the Dominican culture, but like you said that is another topic, maybe you can help me?

I think some women do visit the DR only for sexual reasons and they get what they pay for. They know what they want and will pay to get it because they have money and time to spend. There are others that find themselves on this "beautiful fantasay island", and they forget that love takes time. Lust only takes a minute. If any women is seeing a skankie, it does not take long to to see if he "loves you" or "loves the possibility" of leaving the D.R. and any women can tell the difference.