Prostitution in DR

[Mcinbrass]

Hey Sal...

...take a good look at yourself. Take a good look at the dominican society. What Rob means by "living it" is that there is a system in place in DR. A male dominated system whereby men saddle their women with children and the leave them alone to support themselves. You are Dominican, this is you! You should stop trying to tell everyone else what to do and do something.

Many of the women who sell themselves are doing so to feed and cloth their children who the dominican males haven't the guts to support themsleves. Many of these same men use prostitutes, just not high class ones. The tourists will **** his wife. Heck why dosen't he just give the $$ to her.

You sound like you would like to do something, but are a little misguided. Why dont you go there and give of yourself. Education, social programs and enforcement are whats needed to change this, not just ranting on this board. Where there is no supply...

 

[Danny W]

How about "judge not lest thee shall be judged"? There is no right or wrong here. Whatever anyone is doing regarding sex is no different from any other form of business or social activity in one important aspect. It is being done by individuals, and each one has a different motivation, consciousness and life circumstance. So let's ease up and not paint everyone with the same brush. In the DR, US or anywhere else. - D

 

[AlaninDR]

I wanna be a prostitute

 

[Tony C]

I have 3 questions

What makes prostitution so bad?

If 2 people enter into an agreement of their own free will how is that exploitation?

What is the Difference between a prostitute and a model?(they both sell their bodies right?)

 

[Larry]

I agree with what Danny W said.

Larry

 

[Ken]

What makes prostitution so bad?

If 2 people enter into an agreement of their own free will how is that exploitation?

What is the Difference between a prostitute and a model?(they both sell their bodies right?)

I don't think exploitation is the right word, either.

I have no problem if two people freely enter into an agreement to sell/buy sex for money. I get concerned if the only reason the woman does it is because there is no other way to keep herself and her children alive. Is will really free in such cases?

 

[LUDUS]

At any given time there are fewer than 50,000 male tourists in the RD. If every single one of them has a Dominicana paid escort every night that still leaves 150,000 to spare. I suspect that a few guys go a night or two without. The majority of course are traveling with wives or girlfriends which kind of inhibits a guy. Tourism is a very small fraction of sex work in RD though it probably drives up sex worker wages.

 

[earosemena]

I heard Duarte St in Boca Chica had been considerably cleaned up of prostitutes. Is this true? Last time I was there, about six months ago, there were seven or eight whores for every guy that dared be alone.

 

[AZB]

Tourists get the trash...

Tourists get the worst looking DR hookers and yet they are being called the exploiters. Shame shame shame, these guys are getting the raw deal.
He best looking hookers are in Santiago area. There are a few establishments where cute girls work to make tons of money. Their clients are almost all dominicans and they pay far more than your average foreigner. Then we have alot of "beeper girls" (they should be called cell call girls). These are university students, young, model looking with some visible class. they charge from 1 k pesos to 3 k pesos / action (sometimes they spend the night). All of their clients are dominicans.
So please don't hold the tourists responsible for turning them into hookers. They are the ones who are paying top dollar for the monsters that we wouldn't be caught dead with in santiago.

 

[Pib]

What makes prostitution so bad?

Just a WAG:

It isn't the working conditions nor the fact that most prostitutes do not have (or have few) other choices to support themselves and their families. If it was a matter of "I have to do this even if I don't enjoy it because I need the money" then 99% of humanity would be in the same boat as most people stay in their current job only because they need the money.

It isn't because it might be a dangerous profession, that is something actually caused by the social stigma stuck to prostitution. Danger is a consequence of the social stima and not the other way around.

It is "so bad" because it is "icky". But why do so many people find it "icky"? Because there is sex involved, as as we all know sex is dirty, it is supposed to be had in the darkness, under the covers, in sterile conditions and with only one partner, for the specific purposes of conception.

I don't believe in the above (conciously), but we know that deep down it all boils down to guilt, guilt that is a result of years of indoctrination and the repressive policy of the society we live in. In most cultures women are/were considered a property. In order to maintain control over this "valuable" property we created a whole system of beliefs that used guilt as a form of controlling women's sexuality. A woman that engages in a conduct unbecoming of this "ideal" woman is therefore a pariah of society.

Of course Jim Hinsch said it better than I could:
http://www.dr1.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18021
http://www.dr1.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15029

 

[Jan]

I just met a few "prostitutes" in Boca Chica when I was there on Sunday. I called them over to where I was sitting just to talk to them. Three of the girls were a little sleezy but the other two were very nice girls. Both studying english and taking classes in the university. It seemed to me that they were doing what they knew to do to make money. I can't begrudge them for that. Some are definatly low but others, I sort of respect them. They are doing what they need to do and using their God given resourses to make money. I'm not condoning selling sex but sometimes without the resourses and money some women need to resort to the oldest profession. Most are doing this to survive in a culture where there isn't much cash flow. I couldn't do it but I can't put them down for doing what they do.
It seems to me to be supply and demand....

 

[Larry]

a few thoughts

AZB:I like the fact that you pointed out that a lot of customers are dominican and I know you like to pump up Santiagn a side note...forget about 1k to 3k pesos ...in sosua there are some hot girls(you just have to find them) to be bargained down to 500 pesos...even by this bald americano.

Pib:This is not meant to be insulting.I want to say a few things to you:
1) I am aware that you are held in "high regard" on DR1 and you are a moderator
2) I can see that you are very well educated and very articulate
3) I have been reading your posts for about a year
4) The more I read your posts the more disappointed I become because it appears that you live in your "own world",you have been very sheltered and are not privy to the "outside" world around you.
5)You feel the constant need to preach
6)this has nothing to do with the developing quarrel(s) that you have with other poster(s) of which I could care less.


Sorry Pib but please get off your high horse and come down here with the rest of us.

I am under the assumption that this will be deleted because of the subject.

I realize that this post will place me in bad regard with DR1 hierarchy but its been a long time coming and believe me I am not the only one who mutters this sentiment.
Larry

 

[Pib]

Re: a few thoughts

5)You feel the constant need to preach

And what, pray tell, am I preaching?

 

[MaineGirl]

I'll preach to ya...

I hesitate to go here, but I feel the need to respond to what Pib said about the underlying subconscious and society's indoctrinations making us feel guilty for having sex.

I don't think that is true. (Maybe it is because you were raised in a heavily catholic society, maybe not, I don't want to argue about religion.)

Having made that disclaimer I would like to throw this out: that sex was created to enjoy in a mighty way and is one of the premier bonding experiences between a man and a woman.

I think many value sets in many different sects of religion try to place boundaries on this relationship. I think the boundaries of the catholic church would make anyone feel guilty (virgin vs. whore etc.)

If you want freedom, don't focus so much on the boundaries but on how it is designed to be liberating within the boundaries. I mean, it is designed in my value set (I hesitate to say religion) to function pretty well within the boundaries.

Now I can't say I followed all the rules...I definitely stepped out of some of those boundaries....and I struggle with that GUILT that Pib talks about getting thrown at us. But I can say that most of the time playing by those "rules" results in something amazing (I say most because...well, thanks alot, Eve. After only 3 chapters of Eden you have to make a dumb choice outside of the boundaries prescribed........adios Eden, let's have about 400 pages more of what happens....throw in some plagues, a flood, slavery, etc.)

If you actually read the Old Testament, there was some hot and heavy stuff going on-- and one whole book is guilt free!! (Written by the wisest man, of course )

To get back to the topic: sex workers may not feel guilty OR exploited if they justify it within their value set. For example: it is a much lesser sin to prostitute oneself than to let babies go hungry or children go without shoes. What I fear is a lack of self-respect. From the sounds of it though even that takes a lesser role to one of family provider. That takes a mother's love for sure.

Now, I won't say whether it's "icky" to be a prostitute, after all I've said...who am I to judge? There's a lot of judgement coming for everyone, not just prostitutes. If one needed help I can say honestly I would try and help without outlining boundaries for that person and his/her life. Helping another human works for me but not choosing their lifestyle.

 

[dale7]

This Subject has Been Beaten to Death

There will always be prostitutes and there will always be johns. Supply and demand. If you aren't getting any or see a beautiful girl that you normally would never have the chance in normal circumstances to have relations with, make your own choice. No one will ever be able to change anyone's moral codes or force their opinions on others. Prostitution just has a bad stigma that society places on it. If I was paid enough I would attempt to have relations with the most unattractive woman imaginable. In the past I have had numerous sexual partners, in the US and the DR. Some I have paid for, most not. When I drink and dance I am horny and if the opportunity is there, I go for it. Judge me I don't care, I won't lose no sleep. Now I have a serious committment with a woman and our child so now my attitude has changed a little. If you are single have fun, is my sentiment, but now I will try the monogamous thing. To each their own, I will never look down on someone trying to support their family because their worthless father of their children left them alone to raise their kids and they live in a corrupt system who enjoys keeping the people down or the man who enjoys the company of a beautiful young lady who fulfills his wildest dreams.
dale7(Everyone has whorish instincts, some just try to bury them deeper than others)

 

[Pib]

Re: I'll preach to ya...

Now, I won't say whether it's "icky" to be a prostitute

I wouldn't say either. But in one of the threads I linked somebody threw in that word and it seems very appropriate to explain the general feeling of why "prostitution is bad". Notice how a woman who has had many sex partners is held in no much higher steem than prostitutes and find themselves with such labels as "whores", "putas", etc. applied to them even if they don't do it for money.

Maybe in certain Catholic countries there is more guilt thrown in than in other countries, but the guilt and shame is always there, few societies have done away with them. Maybe each individual has different level of tolerance to the preaching and some escape the guilt/shame easier than others, but in general almost all societies have taken the same road.

http://www.dr1.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20875

 

[Escott]

My take on Prostitutes and the DR.

If any of you decide that you want to call me a loud fat ugly American, you are too damn late because that is my tag line and I am proud of that also.

You don't like prostitution? Get your daughters off the damn street, show them another way to make a living that's NOT degrading themselves or just let them know that it ISN'T ok to do. Then change your government that thrives on graft and PAYOFFS. If you find a guy stealing, throw him in jail and tell the rest of them that you aren't going to take it any more. Find another guy taking bribes, throw his ass in jail also. Keep doing this until you all understand that this is not the way the game is going to be played anymore. Let them all know that this trough is closed and no more pigs are allowed.

Until this happens I am going to just go there to drink your beer, eat your food, screw your women and piss in your streets and I will be proud of it!

Sorry Jazzy no sneaking in any war talk please. Thanks

 

[Robert]

Re: a few thoughts

AZB:I like the fact that you pointed out that a lot of customers are dominican and I know you like to pump up Santiagn a side note...forget about 1k to 3k pesos ...in sosua there are some hot girls(you just have to find them) to be bargained down to 500 pesos...even by this bald americano.

Pib:This is not meant to be insulting.I want to say a few things to you:
1) I am aware that you are held in "high regard" on DR1 and you are a moderator
2) I can see that you are very well educated and very articulate
3) I have been reading your posts for about a year
4) The more I read your posts the more disappointed I become because it appears that you live in your "own world",you have been very sheltered and are not privy to the "outside" world around you.
5)You feel the constant need to preach
6)this has nothing to do with the developing quarrel(s) that you have with other poster(s) of which I could care less.
Sorry Pib but please get off your high horse and come down here with the rest of us.

I am under the assumption that this will be deleted because of the subject.

I realize that this post will place me in bad regard with DR1 hierarchy but its been a long time coming and believe me I am not the only one who mutters this sentiment.
Larry

It's the moderators call, but I personally would leave your post up, as you do a great job of making yourself look like a complete fool Congratulations!

If you have a problem with someone on this board, email or PM directly, don't air your gripes on this board at DR1's expense.

Sorry Larry, but your post was pretty pathetic...

 

[AnnaC]

I was sitting here reading Pib's post to see where she was preaching and I just don't see it. So Larry I have no idea what you are saying.

 

[arenas809]

Re: a few thoughts

Pib:This is not meant to be insulting.I want to say a few things to you:
1) I am aware that you are held in "high regard" on DR1 and you are a moderator
2) I can see that you are very well educated and very articulate
3) I have been reading your posts for about a year
4) The more I read your posts the more disappointed I become because it appears that you live in your "own world",you have been very sheltered and are not privy to the "outside" world around you.
5)You feel the constant need to preach
6)this has nothing to do with the developing quarrel(s) that you have with other poster(s) of which I could care less.


Sorry Pib but please get off your high horse and come down here with the rest of us.

I am under the assumption that this will be deleted because of the subject.

I realize that this post will place me in bad regard with DR1 hierarchy but its been a long time coming and believe me I am not the only one who mutters this sentiment.
Larry [/B]

Wow....