prostitution affects tourism in sosua

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jd426

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I have to dispute the $250 per day spending average and would love to see a study that says the average daily spend of a sex tourist in Sosua is that high.

And you would be wrong... I did not pick that $ out of a Hat ...its based on extensive surveys .
For some guys its a lot more than that. and they are Broke on day 4 ...those are the guys sharing a bottle of water ,because they went through their entire Weeks budget ,and now have to borrow Money..
For you , as a woman to try to GUESS me wrong ... with all respect is a little silly.. because i know of what I speak.
it would be like ME as a Non Gambler , to guess what guys Gamble at like a Bachelor Party , on a 3 day Bender ..
I dont know ... but I am sure there are Stats on it ..


This is what is so curious sometime.. people refusing to accept Facts , based in real Data ..
The # very very real... $300 a day is also not that unusual.. and some guys go a lot higher than that .. I suspect those are the guys who claim they don't even pay for sex, cuz they "all that and a bag of Chips" .
 
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Being a math guy, I would be interested in the numbers behind this drop in the bucket and the size of the total bucket. Feel free to help me with the numbers as they pertain to Sosua.


My best guess would be that prostitution brings in at least $100,000/day. That number could be very low considering my lack of knowledge and the way one wants to crunch the numbers. Compare that to Casa Marina's daily numbers and you might be able to figure out how many Casa Marinas you would have to build to replace the income from prostitution.

I could not hazard a guess with any such estimate. The record keeping is sparse at best for both the locals and sex tourists who are involved. The total number versus other tourism are insignificant. That much has been shown based upon the overall numbers for the DR.

I am quite certain that the government isn't going to generate such numbers because they would just as soon the sex tourists never visited and they really don't care how much they spend.
 
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Just found 2013 DR tourism revenue at 4.5 billion per year or about 12 million per day. Looks to me that the Sosua mongers account for about a 1% drop in the DR tourism bucket.

Could be close. Maybe even 1.5%. In any event, the government does not want sex tourism. If they did, they would have come up with a way to promote it instead of doing what they do.
 

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I get the feeling this is not about the monger as much as the type of monger.

Correct. This is not, has never been, and probably will never be about 100% Dominican interactions.

It is about the reputation of the country regarding sex tourists. Those sex tourists who are more obvious are the least wanted.
 

the gorgon

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I could not hazard a guess with any such estimate. The record keeping is sparse at best for both the locals and sex tourists who are involved.

I am quite certain that the government isn't going to generate such numbers because they would just as soon the sex tourists never visited and they really don't care how much they spend.

whatever the government might say publicly is all bluster.despite the fact that the spend in Sosua, as a portion of the composite tourist spend, is not significant, Sosua has to be seen in isolation, as far as this matter is concerned. the fact that Sosua might only account for a fragment of the 6 billion overall revenue is not the issue. Sosua has to continue, in one guise or another. it has no other ostensible means of continuation beside the prostitution trade. whatever other economic activities exist are inconsequential. one of the basic issues associated with Sosua is the economic concept of multipliers. because of the nature of the business, a lot of the participants are breadwinners for families, and the source of income to small entrepreneurs such as hairdressers, garment peddlers, people who provide lodgings, food, and other sustenance. obliterating prostitution in Sosua will create a huge swath of unemployed people, and not the kinds we want to see unemployed. this is not like some guys from Goldman Sachs being made redundant, with a golden parachute. this is laying off Belkis, and leaving it up to Fausto to find the money.-

do you know here your cellphone is?
 

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"Sosua has to continue, in one guise or another. it has no other ostensible means of continuation beside the prostitution trade."

False
 

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It has little to no affect on the DR or tourism....

but it has a big impact on those who live there - many of our constituents...

Mostly a self driven discussion
None of it affects me - so I stand back

I suppose the residents of Place Pigalle in Paris had a lot to say about their goings on at one time
 

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whatever the government might say publicly is all bluster.despite the fact that the spend in Sosua, as a portion of the composite tourist spend, is not significant, Sosua has to be seen in isolation, as far as this matter is concerned. the fact that Sosua might only account for a fragment of the 6 billion overall revenue is not the issue. Sosua has to continue, in one guise or another. it has no other ostensible means of continuation beside the prostitution trade. whatever other economic activities exist are inconsequential. one of the basic issues associated with Sosua is the economic concept of multipliers. because of the nature of the business, a lot of the participants are breadwinners for families, and the source of income to small entrepreneurs such as hairdressers, garment peddlers, people who provide lodgings, food, and other sustenance. obliterating prostitution in Sosua will create a huge swath of unemployed people, and not the kinds we want to see unemployed. this is not like some guys from Goldman Sachs being made redundant, with a golden parachute. this is laying off Belkis, and leaving it up to Fausto to find the money.-

do you know here your cellphone is?

The government in Santo Domingo does not care one iota (and I don't mean the crypto currency) about what would happen if all sex tourists stopped coming yesterday. They just want them to stop coming. Sosua is not an important concern for them, so Sosua does not "have to be anything" as far as the powers that be are concerned. I agree that there is much bluster and very little action to remove the sex tourism problem as they view it. As others have pointed out, when nobody but a select group knew much about Sosua, it was not an issue. Now we have this thing called The Internet where anyone at any time cam be infamous.

My cell phone has not yet arrived since it has never been ordered.
 

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Could be close. Maybe even 1.5%. In any event, the government does not want sex tourism. If they did, they would have come up with a way to promote it instead of doing what they do.

What you are not calculating is WHERE this Money is directly being Pumped into .
Directly to the POOREST SINGLE MOMS... Not for example to a Bigger Business where it MAY Trickle down, or may NOT.. ( like for example and AI, foreign owned , who hire Maids, Restaurant workers, groundskeepers etc ) just to be clear what i meant with that... Clearly those businesses have NO Jobs for an Unreliable Single Mom, who's Baby will be crying and she needs to go home ..
and That Fact changes everything ...
But maybe the guys with the Economics degrees can explain it better..
 

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What you are not calculating is WHERE this Money is directly being Pumped into .
Directly to the POOREST SINGLE MOMS... Not for example to a Bigger Business where it MAY Trickle down, or may NOT..
and That changes everything ...
But maybe the guys with the Economics degrees can explain it better..

The calculations of the payments for prostitution by the whore monger saviors of poorest single moms is something the government actually cares about in the DR?
 

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whatever the government might say publicly is all bluster.despite the fact that the spend in Sosua, as a portion of the composite tourist spend, is not significant, Sosua has to be seen in isolation, as far as this matter is concerned. the fact that Sosua might only account for a fragment of the 6 billion overall revenue is not the issue. Sosua has to continue, in one guise or another. it has no other ostensible means of continuation beside the prostitution trade.?

It's not just the gov't, it is the Dom people who want the hooker trade to end. And everybody is in on it from the Pres on down to your North Coast family groups.

True, they are not proficient in having an effective clean up, but it will happen. And the closer that development money comes to Sosua, the faster it will happen. The port in POP will help in speeding things along. And yes, there will be some pain during the transition. But that does not factor into their discussions. Doms just want the hooker trade gone. The majority of Doms.
 
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jd426

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The calculations of the payments for prostitution by the whore monger saviors of poorest single moms is something the government actually cares about in the DR?

Windy, NO they DONT ... and frankly its THEIR COUNTRY... they can do as they please

but the Economics behind it can not be denied , nor played down..

Remove Prostitution, and CRIME will SOAR.. this is a mathematical Certainty ...
well no, its actually my opinion, but I would love to hear an opposing view with Facts to support it ..

but hey, some people are even denying the $$ #s .. and they are very REAL...

How will the authorities React when Pick pocketing Sky rockets . when Stick ups soar , when Fatalities of Expats may even go up dramatically..
Desperate people do desperate things .
 

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It's not just the gov't, it is the Dom people who want the hooker trade to end. And everybody is in on it from the Pres on down to your North Coast family groups.

True, they are not proficient in having an effective clean up, but it will happen. And the closer that development money comes to Sosua, the faster it will happen. The port in POP will help in speeding things along. And yes, there will be some pain during the transition. But that does not factor into their discussions. Doms just want the hooker trade gone. The majority of Doms.

which Dominican ''people'' are you talking about? where? the majority of Doms?

where do you guys meet these people to whom you cavalierly refer? how come i have never met anyone who is in severe opposition to prostitution in the DR?
 

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a poster brought up the obvious..

these ladies of the evening, and their significant others, have to eat. when they cannot earn a living from their trade, they will get it from you. these are not choirboys. Fausto sells cialis, but he also sells coke and smack. when he gets put out of business, you do not want to be a resident of La Mulata. all bets are off.
 

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Cabanas, they are all over the DR. Ever been in one? No check in, no check out, no windows EVER, when you pay it is like a bank swivel, you don't see who collects, and they don't see who pays.

Would it surprise you that 95% of the business are Dominicans? Who do you think the men take there? School Teachers, their wives? Who?
 

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which Dominican ''people'' are you talking about? where? the majority of Doms?

where do you guys meet these people to whom you cavalierly refer? how come i have never met anyone who is in severe opposition to prostitution in the DR?

Same here, mention Sosua and the person may raise their eyebrows or give you one of those silly smirks but never recall any Dom screaming the punters got to go, the putas got to get out of Sosua............ but then again I am all the way down here in Santo Domingo where anything further north than Santiago doesn't matter.
 
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