Switching to Electric Cars in The DR

[chico bill]

You may not even need to charge at all in SD..........depending on the range of your vehicle and its installed battery capacity. Using the highway it would be approximately 100 miles. More than enough range for a round trip without charging on the newer EV's.

And those charging times are from empty to full. How many people will run it to empty? Probably the same as those who run a conventional ICE vehicle to empty.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

OK but all the EV battery types are currently saying do not discharge below 20% and stop charging at 80%.
In fact Level 2 chargers rates of charging are slowed below or above these thresholds.
When your cell phone hits 20% have you noticed how quick it goes lower.
Imagine that in the middle of nowhere.
EVs are currently meant to be suburban vehicles not cross-country.

 

[2020]

Las Terrenas has a new(er) charging station in the parking lot at the shopping center across from the cemetery. I've never seen an electric car use it...before they run out of juice before getting into town, lol? In fact, I've never seen an electric car in the Dominican Republic

I wish we had electric ATV's in the DR. I would get rid of my Kawasaki

 

[luisenriquereyes]

Here you go:

https://www.aduanas.gob.do/media/2201/ley_103-13_incentivo_imp_vehiculos_energia_no_convencional.pdf

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

Thanks. Am I blind, where in this law does it state a 50% tax reduction?

 

[luisenriquereyes]

True, and there is a dealer selling electric cars in SD that is offering a home charging station as part of the purchase price of the vehicle.

IIRC, we had a conversation about them some time back.

Who is the dealer offering home charging station as part of the purchase price? Are they the only one offering this?

 

[bob saunders]

Imagine not being able to go anywhere because the power is offline too often for you to charge your car.

 

[SKY]

These cars might be good for the future, but the future is FAR OFF for the Dominican Republic...............

 

[JD Jones]

Who is the dealer offering home charging station as part of the purchase price? Are they the only one offering this?

Grupo PIVE is the one I've seen. https://grupopive.com/cargador-inteligente/

 

[windeguy]

OK but all the EV battery types are currently saying do not discharge below 20% and stop charging at 80%.
In fact Level 2 chargers rates of charging are slowed below or above these thresholds.
When your cell phone hits 20% have you noticed how quick it goes lower.
Imagine that in the middle of nowhere.
EVs are currently meant to be suburban vehicles not cross-country.

Indeed. chico bill is pointing the discrepancies between max ratings for charging and max ranges against what is recommended so as not to damage the very expensive batteries. Level 3 quick charging can shorten battery life. Not keeping the batteries between 20 and 80 percent charged can do the same.

My point is that the DR providing the correct infrastructure for a grid with thousands, not hundreds, of charging stations any time soon is what I doubt will happen. But yep, keep pointing out all of those (only) 2 charging stations at the Super XXXX Colmado or the NoTell Motels which look good politically.

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[JD Jones]

Indeed. chico bill is pointing the discrepancies between max ratings for charging and max ranges against what is recommended so as not to damage the very expensive batteries. Level 3 quick charging can shorten battery life. Not keeping the batteries between 20 and 80 percent charged can do the same.

My point is that the DR providing the correct infrastructure for a grid with thousands, not hundreds, of charging stations any time soon is what I doubt will happen. But yep, keep pointing out all of those (only) 2 charging stations at the Super XXXX Colmado or the NoTell Motels which look good politically.

Understanding the Different EV Charging Levels | EnelX

Learn about the three different types of EV charging levels, their associated charge rates, and the typical use cases for each type.

evcharging.enelx.com

Man, that's brutal, Windy. How fast do you think they can roll these out? There are over 300 charging stations islandwide already ( https://evergonet.com/mapa/ ), and they'll keep installing based on demand.

Grupo PIVE has already sold over 150 vehicles (mainly BAICs)

How do you make a connection to looking good politically when it's private companies installing the stations?

 

[playacaribe2]

Thanks. Am I blind, where in this law does it state a 50% tax reduction?

Articulos 3

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[playacaribe2]

Man, that's brutal, Windy. How fast do you think they can roll these out? There are over 300 charging stations islandwide already ( https://evergonet.com/mapa/ ), and they'll keep installing based on demand.

Grupo PIVE has already sold over 150 vehicles (mainly BAICs)

How do you make a connection to looking good politically when it's private companies installing the stations?

The goal, when I brought in the last batch of Leafs in October, was to have 500 charging stations by the end of the year.

Sales of EV's in 2021 are setting records in the DR.............probably in large part due to President Abinader and his inaugural Tesla photos.

Two years ago you could hardly find an EV or two for sale on the various car websites. Today, they are appearing everywhere.

There are, and will be challenges, but the future has arrived..............even in the DR.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[chico bill]

So lets say you bought a new Nissan Leaf, a proven EV. Their maximum range for their lower end model is 147 miles maximum.
Now take 80% of that knowing you should not deplete below 20% and you are at 117 miles.
Using the AC reduces your range another 15-20%. Lights on you lose another 5%. Wipers another couple percent.

So in real world driving in DR in the heat your range starts out at about 99 miles, assuming you leave the AC on the whole time, you quit before dark and it is not raining.

That's acceptable if you are near home and just buy groceries and run to the bank and stop by to see a friend.
For now (until technology changes) consider these EVs closed-in Golf Carts as far as range goes. Yep good for 18 holes......

But drive from LT to SD and back, I don't think so.

 

[playacaribe2]

So lets say you bought a new Nissan Leaf, a proven EV. Their maximum range for their lower end model is 147 miles maximum.
Now take 80% of that knowing you should not deplete below 20% and you are at 117 miles.
Using the AC reduces your range another 15-20%. Lights on you lose another 5%. Wipers another couple percent.

So in real world driving in DR in the heat your range starts out at about 99 miles, assuming you leave the AC on the whole time, you quit before dark and it is not raining.

That's acceptable if you are near home and just buy groceries and run to the bank and stop by to see a friend.
For now (until technology changes) consider these EVs closed-in Golf Carts as far as range goes. Yep good for 18 holes......

But drive from LT to SD and back, I don't think so.

Few would consider the Leaf+ to be a commuter car from LT to SD........but it can be done.

The Leafs I brought in were/are part of a tourist project in the east. Based on my understanding of their use in conjunction with that project, few would exceed 50 miles per day......well within the acceptable range specs.

If the intent is to go further than that without having to charge, then there are many other better options.........Tesla, etc.

The right car for the right job.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[chico bill]

Few would consider the Leaf+ to be a commuter car from LT to SD........but it can be done.

The Leafs I brought in were/are part of a tourist project in the east. Based on my understanding of their use in conjunction with that project, few would exceed 50 miles per day......well within the acceptable range specs.

If the intent is to go further than that without having to charge, then there are many other better options.........Tesla, etc.

The right car for the right job.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

Better here than cold climates because using the heater can cut the range way more, where that is basically free for a gasoline car

 

[luisenriquereyes]

Articulos 3

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

Thanks 👍🏼 So the 50% tax reduction is for the consumer? Or the dealer?

 

[playacaribe2]

Thanks 👍🏼 So the 50% tax reduction is for the consumer? Or the dealer?

The reduction is applied to the vehicle itself, whether imported by a consumer or dealer.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[beeza]

Why don't EVs have solar panels on their roofs?
That would make sense here.

 

[playacaribe2]

Why don't EVs have solar panels on their roofs?
That would make sense here.

Cost of the panel incorporated into the roof versus the amount of electricity actually being produced.

It is being tried....but so far with limited success.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[windeguy]

Why don't EVs have solar panels on their roofs?
That would make sense here.

Think of how many watts a roof mounted panel would produce. Not much surface area there. Perhaps 200 to 300 watts if you could get the equivalent of one solar panel in bright sunlight at noon?

Sure, it would help a little. That panel would have to allow for being struck by rocks and debris. Not sure how sensitive panels are to that. There would be some physical issues and that limited surface area to deal with.

 

[Squat]

I don't know about cars, but we have an electrical scooter (pasola), and it's so much better than the gasoline one! Smoother to drive, noiseless, almost free of cost when it comes to charging, this is the future, without a single doubt! Now I just need to sell my other gasoline scooter so I can buy a 2nd electrical one, and we're good to go (Wifey loves her "pasola electrica")