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Get real... "Mulatto" = "Black" in the United States, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, Germany... and in most developed countries.
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I don't see whites coming to the DR to farm or take over the government do you? So do us a favor and quit comparing apples to oranges.
Get real - Canada is filled with many people of non-white background that are not black, like south east Asians, Arabs, ...etc. There are plenty of African decended people also as well as many multi-racial mixed race people and they mainly consider themselves just that - multi-racial or mixed. My wife, who is Dominican often gets mistaken for philipina, even by orientals. My step-son would never be mistaken for Black IN ANY COUNTRY.
Nice try. Unfortunately the only slavery left on this island is on your side.
While no doubt there maybe some people with racist tendencies that come or possibly stay to/in the DR they have to be a minority. Trust me I know racists. They will more than likely spend their money and vacations in Europe, etc. so they can glow in the glory of "their" race.
I have said it before and I'll say it again, racism and intermarriage are belligerant to one another.
I expect someone now to post to give me an example of a mixed marriage that one of the spouses is racist so that we can say this 1% or whatever is representaive of mixed marriages. That's like saying Americans are murderers because one percent of the popultation are.
Too funny Chip!
My side?
Why do you try to personalise things all the time? Well, OK, lets Tango...
It seems you have been at the communion wine again judging by the spelling!
Next you will be saying misogynists do not get married?
And there are no teachers that do not hate kids?
Policemen do not break the law?
I am genuinely curious about your seemingly monochromatic world.
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Apart from areas under Sharia law - where is there no gambling, prostitution and drugs?
There has been a Casino in Sosua for more than a generation.
Drugs have always been freely available in Sosua since I first arrived, years ago.
Prostitution is nothing new. Since the '80s Sosua has been a sex-tourism destination.
So my questions are -
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Gabriela, this post and the questions are specifically aimed at you.
Your comment about 'opening up' Sosua to gambling, prostitution and drugs is ridiculous.
Still waiting - did you not once describe yourself as a journalist?
Nice headline - waiting for some kind of support for your outrageous claim.
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Apart from areas under Sharia law - where is there no gambling, prostitution and drugs?
There has been a Casino in Sosua for more than a generation.
Drugs have always been freely available in Sosua since I first arrived, years ago.
Prostitution is nothing new. Since the '80s Sosua has been a sex-tourism destination.
So my questions are -
- When are you saying Sosua was opened up to these elements?
- What does this have to do with the people that this thread is about?
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Gabriela, this post and the questions are specifically aimed at you.
Your comment about 'opening up' Sosua to gambling, prostitution and drugs is ridiculous.
Still waiting - did you not once describe yourself as a journalist?
Nice headline - waiting for some kind of support for your outrageous claim.
Too funny Chip!
My side?
Why do you try to personalise things all the time? Well, OK, lets Tango...
That's the pot calling the kettle black for sure.
Next you will be saying misogynists do not get married?
And there are no teachers that do not hate kids?
Policemen do not break the law?
I am genuinely curious about your seemingly monochromatic world.
I'm not going to compare apples to oranges with you.
As far as intermarriage goes, I stand by my hypothesis. While racism certainly can and does exist in some marriages as these I propose that it is an insignificant amount.
Still?
Never been there. Not on my bucket list. And I see virtually nothing in common between SA and the DR.
Well your loss....but that aside, there are some commonalities...and I say that, as a South African, because the DR gives me a "feel" of back home. Having said that, those feelings generally arise from how the people are (versus where I currently reside)...I have always maintained..warm climate, warm people...as for the converse, no need to state the obvious
.The only difference between SA and the other countries where racism is concerned, is the history...it was basically on the Statute Books in SA...while widly practiced in other countries, it wasnt law.
In the global picture, SA is worlds ahead of DR, IMO.
Gabriela's uncle.
Interesting. My childhood woman friend (we've known each other nearly 60 years) is a 30 year expat in S.Africa & when she visits & stays with us in the DR, she is one of the faster adjusters to this country. The only thing she doesn't adjust to is the smaller amount of crime here - can't get her to do things on her own here because she's concerned for her security.
Which kinda brings us back to where this thread started. :cheeky:
Maybe in infrastructure. As far as what the future holds if Julius Malema has anything to say about it they will be going backwards in no time flat a la the Mugabe solution.
I thought this thread was about telling expats to stay safe in the NOrth COast because of a rash of homicides. SOmehow it got twisted into people asserting they are not racists because they are "just speaking the truth". I wish all of you would STFU!
a. aggressiveness and attitude of American blacks? What is it to you? Should they kowtow to you just because.............?
b. Many of black tourists come here with the hip hop mentality and treat the women like hoes?
1. Do you know "many" much less "any" to make that statement?
2. What do the European tourists do when they come here?
c. your General consensus is bogus because if cannot be supported by any information apart from that which is anecdotal. You made it up.
d. Your friend who is marrying a white guy, another bogus anecdotal tale. Tell me about the time you, the Easter bunny and Strawberry Shortcake did a 3 some.
e. There are no purple, green nor polka dotted people so stop trying to deemphasize the color a person has on the ability in your mind to respect them
I think some of you guys got issues. The more you talk the more is sounds like some Thomas Jefferson/Sally Hemings lust issues you re trying to work out. Not all of you, but some of you are grasping for straws using logic that the "BLACK guys from NY with the low pants and sideways baseball caps" make me scared to go home. I walked through a metal detector before I got on the plane so what gun or knife did I bring with me? They are staying in my condo and its not on the low end. So what? The black people here are only interesting as long as they are NOT economically competitive nor comparable with you? The minute they do you re running in fear for your life?
They came to whore it up....and what does the 55 year old French guy doing with the 19 year old women darker than a California plum? I m a whore monger but HE is a missionary?
You guys got to work it out. Everybody has the right to be hypocritical, but some of you are bordering on outright frauds.
But alas, "Iz so sarrie a mak yu feez so bad wit'cha sef. Iz all NUYORKified wit my Blackness n my 'gressiv-tivity scare the po' white lady oudda her dress. Great jumbalaya! Iz so sarrie white folk!"
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I was back in Sosua for just two days some time ago. I ran into this group of African Americans. They where in their thirties and forties. I had a few drinks with them. They where just in the DR to have fun. They all had good jobs in the US. They did not wear the type of clothes described in this thread. They where normally dressed. If anything I think it has a positive impact them coming here in larger numbers. I think the locals feel they have more in common with them.
The color that matters...
...is the color of money.
I doubt Dominicans care about anything beyond that...
That is true for the Dominicans and Haitians you meet in the tourist discos and bars. But then the conclusion must be that it makes no difference if the visitors to Sosua are black, white or yellow. And that the source of the rise of crime is that green color or lack of it.
I am a Sosua lover and have been for almost a decade. Hate to date myself.
We are back in Sosua after a 1.5 year hiatus and we are having a great vacation but we see a huge difference from the past.
I cannot put some things into words but I can tell you the locals just have a feel of desperation about them, unlike anything we have experienced in the past. There are virtually zero tourists here and I do understand we are in the beginning of low season.
We are seeing the Hatian kids sleeping in the streets after 9 PM. We have not seen this in previous trips.
The other huge difference I see are the influx of black NY'ers here to R****,Pill*** and Burn the Villa***. These guys are going to ruin Sousa. The town is full of them as is the condo I am staying in.
We are not in a low end condo.
On the bright side the eating establishments in Sosua are better than ever.
We have had fantastic meals on vacation at affordable prices.
We just don't feel safe walking back to the condo after dinner
without a doubt the most disgusting show of racism i've seen in a quite a while.
and you contradict yourself...
there are virtually NO tourists.. but yet the town is being overrun by black new yorkers?
get a life. your current one sucks.
I am a Sosua lover and have been for almost a decade. Hate to date myself.
We are back in Sosua after a 1.5 year hiatus and we are having a great vacation but we see a huge difference from the past.
I cannot put some things into words but I can tell you the locals just have a feel of desperation about them, unlike anything we have experienced in the past. There are virtually zero tourists here and I do understand we are in the beginning of low season.
We are seeing the Hatian kids sleeping in the streets after 9 PM. We have not seen this in previous trips.
The other huge difference I see are the influx of black NY'ers here to R****,Pill*** and Burn the Villa***. These guys are going to ruin Sousa. The town is full of them as is the condo I am staying in.
We are not in a low end condo.
On the bright side the eating establishments in Sosua are better than ever.
We have had fantastic meals on vacation at affordable prices.
We just don't feel safe walking back to the condo after dinner
I go to Sosua quite regularly since I reside in Santiago. I really don't understand your harshness about the New York black men that go there for their share of R&R. You are right about one thing, there presence there is greater than before. But I have to tell yuh, they have always been perfect gentlemen. I have never heard a black man there raise his voice, seen any of them drunk, or act in anyway other than normal young men on holiday.
Actually, better than most. When in Sosua, they are the least of your worries.
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