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Personally I think it all looks a bit silly and I would not do it myself.
But come on!
Would you really associate the way somebody chooses to wear their pants with them being an undesirable element?
I think probably not as that would be just as silly.
I personally like to wear my Fedora at a rakishly jaunty angle when the mood takes me.
Apart from areas under Sharia law - where is there no gambling, prostitution and drugs?
There has been a Casino in Sosua for more than a generation.
Drugs have always been freely available in Sosua since I first arrived, years ago.
Prostitution is nothing new. Since the '80s Sosua has been a sex-tourism destination.
So my questions are -
There has been a Casino in Sosua for more than a generation.
Drugs have always been freely available in Sosua since I first arrived, years ago.
Prostitution is nothing new. Since the '80s Sosua has been a sex-tourism destination.
So my questions are -
- When are you saying Sosua was opened up to these elements?
- What does this have to do with the people that this thread is about?
Fashion
It's only generational fashion. Anyone remember bell bottom pants? Leisure suits? Platform shoes? It only makes sense to the generation involved
It's only generational fashion. Anyone remember bell bottom pants? Leisure suits? Platform shoes? It only makes sense to the generation involved
In high school I had a friend who would say the most outrageous things about blacks. He truly had issues with them. It wasn't just one or two comments made off-hand, he was seriously on some shiit with his beliefs.
Guess who he took to the prom? A black girl.
She just so happened to be stunningly beautiful, and they made a nice-looking couple as they were both athletic, good-looking and very tall. Having no idea who his date was until after the fact, I was shocked when I saw the photo of these two together. Totally senseless given his predilections and absolutely absurd to anyone who knew him.
Prejudice in and of itself is an irrational premise based on irrational theories of superiority/inferiority and perceived qualities, good or bad, that are supposedly innate to all members of said tribe.
The only way many realize these irrational contradictions exist is when you get smacked in the face with them. Issues of race/culture/skin color become easy to dismiss amongst people who have never, and will never, experience such incidents as an occurrence in their own individual lives. Seeing it from afar or watching it happen to someone else is much different than being a direct protagonist in this absurdity.
And when they DO read about someone's experience, these same people usually take a dismissive tone, like "Well, racism doesn't exist here like it does in the states", or "the person HAD to have been dressed poorly". As if such condescending platitudes makes it right.
Here is another example, one of the most irrational I've ever experienced.
High school again-had a girlfriend for over 6 months, a young lady I've known for a few years before we began dating. I refused an invitation to stay over for the weekend at her home, an invitation that was offered not only by her but by her parents as well. Why? Because I didn't want to put myself in the situation that eventually transpired.
When pressed by her mother, I gave the same reply. The girlfriend became visibly more and more upset. So after a few weeks of this drama I relented.
The very next morning, as her mother goes off to work, she slides in bed with me. She tells me, with a straight face and in a casual, matter-of-fact demeanor that her and her mother were worried that they would wake up and find the valuables gone.
This young lady had made statements, way before we began dating, about how scholarship students have no right to attend our prep school because they can't afford to pay their way, that her tuition money was sponsoring our education, and that wasn't fair.
Why she said this to me and a group of my friends (who were black) out of the clear blue sky while we were seated having lunch is beyond me. But I ignored it, because you have to keep it moving. But how absurd that she would even consider dating me in the first place if her views were what they were. And I figured after getting to know me better her attitude would change. It did not. The contradiction did not fluster her in the least, but it certainly puzzled me to no end.
This does not make my experiences an absolute. What it does tell me is that two equally disparate and contradictory emotions can co-exist within the same human being, acting and pulling against each other at the same time.
It's not supposed to make sense. It's just the way it is.
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Gabriela, this post and the questions are specifically aimed at you.
Your comment about 'opening up' Sosua to gambling, prostitution and drugs is ridiculous.
They look like they want it up the butt and want to make things easier for that person. LOL
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Being older, I know that the bill of the cap is for protecting the eyes, not my ear, and it's hard to run with my pants around my knees. Now why anyone wants to glorify what was referred to as jailin, ie no belt to hold your pants up when in the jail. I have no idea, would think you would want to down play that instead of upholding it.
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Would you really associate the way somebody chooses to wear their pants with them being an undesirable element?
Where in your wildest dreams did you read that I said anything comparable to that?? Jailin refers to the low rider pants. Not and Undesirable element.
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I agree. Anybody can be a victim of crime here. And the longer you stay the more likely it is that you have some bad experiences. I dont mean to scare anybody by saying that. When I arrived I spend some time in Sosua and also in Boca Chica. At the beginning I went all over the island. I remember guys who would arrive from NY or other places saying "oh I grew up in the Bronx etc" "I know all the tricks". Then all of the sudden they would be shouting from their room. Where is my creditcards and my cash.
I agree. Anybody can be a victim of crime here. And the longer you stay the more likely it is that you have some bad experiences. I dont mean to scare anybody by saying that. When I arrived I spend some time in Sosua and also in Boca Chica. At the beginning I went all over the island. I remember guys who would arrive from NY or other places saying "oh I grew up in the Bronx etc" "I know all the tricks". Then all of the sudden they would be shouting from their room. Where is my creditcards and my cash.
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funny thing is the more we complain about it the more they want to wear it..
funny thing is the more we complain about it the more they want to wear it..
It makes perfect sense, he/she probably has more money and more education than the natives so he or she can now live out their superiority complex fantasy.
No correction needed as you apparently didn't read my post thoroughly. I said:
I find it funny on a forum about a country of black people (to most English speakers sensibilities)
Yes, that true. To most Americans and other Westerners by far the majority of Dominicans would be considered black. I really don't get the big deal.
As far as the term mulatto goes, I'm well aware of what that is because I have 4 of the female variety in my house.
Call me what you will, and I know I'll get a lot of heat, but I'm going to throw this out here for discussion.
I really like the Dominican people, and they are people of color. Many tourists(I'm not saying ALL), who are black, come to the DR with the hip-hop mentality that all women are hoes and treat all the local women as such.
The general consensus I get from the Dominicans is that they don't like many American blacks because they treat them badly and with little respect.
True story: My friend, who is white, is marrying a black Dominican. She's a really nice girl who used to work at a bar in downtown Sosua. I never really saw her angry before, but one night last summer she was livid about the fact that some American blacks said to her while she was bartending, "Hey monkey, come over here to get us some drinks, now!!!" She complained to us that "I'm no monkey, and who are they to call me that name when they are black themselves???"
I take people for what they are and how they treat me, and if people of color bothered me I wouldn't go to the DR and I damn sure wouldn't make friends or have sex with them either!!!
What does bother me is the aggresiveness and attitude some American blacks display towards other people.
A jerk is a jerk in my book no matter if you are white, black, purple, green, and covered with polk-dots.
That's my two pesos, and if you want to call me a racist, go ahead, but what I really am is not a racist but a REALIST...
Huh?
Racists now have a superiority complex fantasy?
Then why don't racists live in the "other side of town" where they came from then? They still have more money and edumacation...
Makes no sense at all.
May 16, 1989
The date when organized crime took over Sosua. The date when Thomas Philipp was assassinated. The blue-eyed Mafia that flooded in after the fall of the Eastern bloc was particularly ruthless, and well funded--bringing the treasuries of several KGB organizations with them.
The date when organized crime took over Sosua. The date when Thomas Philipp was assassinated. The blue-eyed Mafia that flooded in after the fall of the Eastern bloc was particularly ruthless, and well funded--bringing the treasuries of several KGB organizations with them.
Nice try. Unfortunately the only slavery left on this island is on your side.
While no doubt there maybe some people with racist tendencies that come or possibly stay to/in the DR they have to be a minority. Trust me I know racists. They will more than likely spend their money and vacations in Europe, etc. so they can glow in the glory of "their" race.
I have said it before and I'll say it again, racism and intermarriage are belligerant to one another.
I expect someone now to post to give me an example of a mixed marriage that one of the spouses is racist so that we can say this 1% or whatever is representaive of mixed marriages. That's like saying Americans are murderers because one percent of the popultation are.
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