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57% of Dominicans live in poverty
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Interesting and very simplistic but I think the assumption that they make:
is a reach. It's not a big enough bite for speculators to concern themselves with. It will have the same affect as a 0.1 % tax on a gallon of gas but then the purpose of the revenue is really the focus here. I like it.
That is definitely a trend that can be turned around.
Here's the thing. When old man Ford died he willed that all his employees receive a 100% pay raise. Not only did the company not go broke. They had the most highly motivated production force in the World and went on to share in global superiority in auto manufacturing, spinning off other companies and diversifying into other economic sectors. It took the company a generation to turn this good fortune into a management vs. employee war and that resulted in management ignoring the "bottom up" principle of innovation and process management. They thought that they were "too big to fail". The current generation has revived Ford by going back to the principles which Henry Ford I used to build the company and made stakeholders out of their (remaining) employees, including them in the development of process controls.
Think about it. 105 years ago (when HF started the company) few homes had indoor toilets or baths, the streets were lit by gas lamps, if at all, there was no refrigeration, diseases like typhoid and diptheria wiped out tens of thousands, in short it was a much different looking country. The kind of country we would refer to as "3rd World" today. It was innovators in the manufacturing and finance sectors who took the US from an agricultural economy to the industrial age which saw the nation rise to superpower status.
These are the types of individuals needed in the Dominican Republic today (not that the DR will ever be a "superpower" by a long shot) to bring the country out of it's 3rd World cycle. Innovation and self reliance will turn the country from an agro/ tourism economy to add manufacturing, finance, information technology, science and technology research, etc to balance the GDP pie chart and hedge against losses in their existing primary sectors. This will not get done with aid or loans. It will get done by cooperation between government and industry to forge the will to develop national self reliance.
I can't believe that one of those big tobacco (family owned) companies doesn't also build motoconchos...or cargo ships.
Given the fact that less is required to live well in the DR than in most of the industrialized nations they have a natural advantage in global business competition and it wouldn't take much to keep their employees happy at home I mean why would anyone want to leave a nice home in the land of their birth with family and friends all around them to go and live hand to mouth, alone in the cold in Nueva Yol? As Dominicans reinvest in the Dominican Republic, Dominicans will prosper at home. The place is beautiful. Tourism will always be there.
Yup
Because they listened. Drs. Demming, Juran, Ishikawa and hundreds of other experts helped corporations there learn and perfect the superior process controls which they put into place which would enable these small countries to overwhelm our market based on the quality, practicality and affordability of their products....and we saw it coming.
These lessons should be put to work in the Caribbean. The region was central to the slave trade hundreds of years ago. Right concept, wrong commodity. It can be central to the trade of natural resources and manufactured goods today. There's enough potential to go around.
Because they listened. Drs. Demming, Juran, Ishikawa and hundreds of other experts helped corporations there learn and perfect the superior process controls which they put into place which would enable these small countries to overwhelm our market based on the quality, practicality and affordability of their products....and we saw it coming.
These lessons should be put to work in the Caribbean. The region was central to the slave trade hundreds of years ago. Right concept, wrong commodity. It can be central to the trade of natural resources and manufactured goods today. There's enough potential to go around.
It took patriotisme, a lot of military force and a stuborn will to just take what they want to get the US where they are today and a lot of inhabitants of this world including Americans do not like that attitude at all but thats common knowledge.
The DR will get its place in global business competition for sure, they are still growing and learning and sure, why shouldn't there be tourisme on this island, its a beautiful island with sunny beaches.
True. All true.
It also took a lot of immigrant workers to fill the labor pool. Most of the bad stuff, notwithstanding, I guess to make an omlette, a few eggs must be broken but realizing and correcting past mistakes after the prosperity is better than doing nothing at all and ending up avoiding the prosperity.
India is still a good example of how this nation grew from a country with cheap labour and as a cheap labour place where all companies were fighting to have a place in order to use that cheap labour for their own benefit with practical no return to India itself. In one way or another India has managed to turn that system in their own advantages and is now a pretty wel self managed country who delivers state of the art bussiness such as IT services to other countries. Not sure how the return is towards the country itself nowaday's but hence the quiteness in the area, must be pretty good.
Yet another good example for the DR to take a page from. I think that as the criticality of the DR's economic issues are overcome by the criticality of its social issues we may see the need for a change of leadership. The current administration has set the country up to succeed. The next one will need to know how to manage that success.
I wrote:
To which dv8 responded:
While her quote does make my point, and I realize there's probably more than a little skepticism involved here, I was really hoping to be wrong on this one :bored::bored::bored:
To which dv8 responded:
While her quote does make my point, and I realize there's probably more than a little skepticism involved here, I was really hoping to be wrong on this one :bored::bored::bored:
IMHO we are guests in this country! I for one LOVE living here. We need to do more then our "fair share" not less or exactly what is needed.
And those who constantly berate this country and complain need to go back to where they came from regardless of who they married or how special they think they are!
And those who constantly berate this country and complain need to go back to where they came from regardless of who they married or how special they think they are!
I agree. See, "weathy" people like to complain too. There is always something one can do to make things better around them. You can work with poor people and kids to teach them how to think and set new goals for themselves to get out of a bad situation. My former students from such a poor country as Ukraine are not doing too bad now, have good degrees, jobs and families. I like to think that I was a part of their life long time ago. If you, people, have no imagination, but only give money to the poor, well, it is not anyone's fault. Do you know this saying "always try to leave things better than you found them."
listen, guys, i do not like this tone of response that suggest i should drop everything in order to help the poor. i am not an old retired bat who gets all teary because he realizes his money will not go with him to the grave so maybe if he gives all of it away it is gonna give him plenary indulgence.
i am young, i just bought a house and a car. i pay my bills, i pay my taxes and after i paid for my expences and holidays there is not much left. i am not going to start slashing my throat here in order to give money to the needy.
i do small stuff when i can but for the love of god do not try to tell me it is my darn duty to be charitable :ermm:
i am young, i just bought a house and a car. i pay my bills, i pay my taxes and after i paid for my expences and holidays there is not much left. i am not going to start slashing my throat here in order to give money to the needy.
i do small stuff when i can but for the love of god do not try to tell me it is my darn duty to be charitable :ermm:
sadly no one asks me for effort, it is always "dame dinero" 
i do not really befriend poor folks as they usually lack education, knowledge and even basic curiosity to ask abstract questions. nonetheless i treat them with respect they deserve (or with disrespect, if they are particularily viscious, poor or rich) and i am willing to give a hand when i can: soon i will be helping all day at a medical charity event. i will post some details later on.
methinks maybe i soften up towards the underpriviledged once i reach lambada's age and wallet
i do not really befriend poor folks as they usually lack education, knowledge and even basic curiosity to ask abstract questions. nonetheless i treat them with respect they deserve (or with disrespect, if they are particularily viscious, poor or rich) and i am willing to give a hand when i can: soon i will be helping all day at a medical charity event. i will post some details later on.
methinks maybe i soften up towards the underpriviledged once i reach lambada's age and wallet
sadly no one asks me for effort, it is always "dame dinero"
i do not really befriend poor folks as they usually lack education, knowledge and even basic curiosity to ask abstract questions. nonetheless i treat them with respect they deserve (or with disrespect, if they are particularily viscious, poor or rich) and i am willing to give a hand when i can: soon i will be helping all day at a medical charity event. i will post some details later on.
methinks maybe i soften up towards the underpriviledged once i reach lambada's age and wallet
if people always ask you \dame dinero\,
consider to change your surroundings.
this country has a bunch of good folks who by far do not fit your prefered company's costumbres.
Mike
sadly no one asks me for effort, it is always "dame dinero"
Of course they don't ask you for effort. It would be up to you using your superior education, knowledge and curiosity about abstract questions to deduce how effort could positively impact others with minimal use of dinero.
methinks maybe i soften up towards the underpriviledged once i reach lambada's age and wallet
The one thing Lambada has never been is soft. What she has been from an age much younger than you are now, is a believer in fighting for justice and improved opportunities for those who are denied them for no good reason (probably because she too came from non-privileged origins and is of Irish descent
).It's a matter of improving the imperfect world we were put into. Thus I don't believe in distributing largesse willy-nilly for the feelgood factor. I feel good anyway so my needs don't come into it.
Soft??? Ask my other half :cheeky:.
Valerie Julliam
Miguel Ceara Hatton
UNDP staff contradictory on report.
Santo Domingo.-A division of opinion between two senior officials of the local office of the United Nations Programme for Development (UNDP) has arisen on the report on poverty in the Dominican Republic recently published by Human Development Report Office (ODH).
The economist Miguel Ceara Hatton, coordinator of the report "Social Policy: Capabilities and Rights", yesterday reaffirmed the strength of the data, in contradiction with the country representative of this international body Valerie Julliam, who recently acknowledged that the data disclosed was incomplete, because the government has been able to reduce poverty from 45% to 35% since 2004 until now.
Ceara Hatton said that the report fully addressed the issue of poverty and did so in a holistic manner, thus providing the basis for the elaboration of the draft National Development Strategy (END) prepared by the Ministry of Economy, planning and Development.
Interviewed on “El D?a de Telesistema, Ceara Hatton pointed out that after an initial decline to 2006, poverty measured by income has remained high, still well above the level seen before the 2003 crisis -2004, in spite of its economic growth.
However, after visiting Vice President Rafael Alburquerque in his office at the National Palace last week, Valerie Julliam said the country has been able to reduce poverty and acknowledged that, although from 2000 to 2010, poverty has increased, from 2004 to date has considerably been reduced by ratio. She acknowledged that assistance projects for the poorest applied in the country contributed to poverty reduction.
She clarified that the problem is that there was a serious crisis in 2003 and who drew up the report, forgot to note that the increase in poverty was due to the million and a half of transient poor people who were caused by the crisis of that year. She said that after this crisis, from 2004 everything began to change in a positive way, so there has been a reduction in poverty during this period of four years.
She apologized.
"We apologize, we are not perfect and may have forgotten things," said the official of UNDP. "Clearly the country is on the way to improve that situation. Poverty has fallen from 45% to 35%, " She said.
The World Bank sees LESS POOR.
Recently the Bank published a report which presents data on poverty at levels much lower than those in the UNDP study. Miguel Ceara Hatton, explained that these differences in levels of poverty have to do with the methodology used by each agency, but said that in terms of variations for periods, movements are similar between an organism and another.
He said there are studies on the levels of poverty in the country that lack accuracy because there is no specific information beyond the income levels and access to certain basic services like education, health and food.
Funcionarios del PNUD se contradicen sobre informe - List?n Diario Digital
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What Miguelito fails to point the finger to, is that they used the overall undocumented population of Haitians in the DR as Dominicans, to reach the conclusions on poverty for the entire Dominican Republic. That's to say they used over a million of the poorest to walk the western hemisphere, to reach the data they meted out on poverty in the DR.
Just because they are there, doesn't mean that they are our poor!
Extreme poverty in the DR was a far little 1% pre-Haitian arrival after the Duvaliers and coups that followed in Haiti. Poverty in the DR three decades ago was Pueblo Nuevo, la Joya, etc... in Santiago. In Santo Domingo the poverty was more evident as the contrast between homes built with concrete and those built out of zinc, was hard to blur the lines between.
If the UN wants to really help the DR poverty situation in any way they can, they should start by aiding those undocumented Haitians return home to Haiti, by providing them with housing and work in their own soil. God knows we can only handle so many of them!
Doesn't fit the UN template.
The more poor and miserable countries are, the more power the UN weilds.
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