I said it was overhyped, and as more evidence pours it my statement has stood the test of time.
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Tell that to all the dead people, including my friend’s 40 year old son who died from it last week. You’ve made your point endlessly, please stop downplaying this.
There are cases of Covid returning to cured people, including one guy in South Korea who became negative in the hospital and died from the reactivation of Covid shortly after he was dispatched.
The questions this arises are:
Does Covid reactivates itself in people that already have the Coronavirus?
Does people with Coronavirus can be reinfected by others that have the virus and are infecting others?
Either way, the underlying implication is that immunity against the Coronavirus is impossible. This also raises the question if it’s only on some people or on all peoples that get infected? Does it always return with the same intensity as at first or it gets worse/better in each recurring case? What about all the asymptomatic people, will they have a bout but symptomatic? What about all the young people for whom at first an infection of Coronavirus is nothing more than ‘a simple cold?’
There’s also the possibility of false positives or false negatives.
So far, South Korea has over 50 people that were ‘cured’ and sent home only to return shortly with another bout of Covid. If immunity is impossible, people may life with the rebout for the rest of their lives or are killed by the disease.
DR has no case of this... yet.
The questions this arises are:
Does Covid reactivates itself in people that already have the Coronavirus?
Does people with Coronavirus can be reinfected by others that have the virus and are infecting others?
Either way, the underlying implication is that immunity against the Coronavirus is impossible. This also raises the question if it’s only on some people or on all peoples that get infected? Does it always return with the same intensity as at first or it gets worse/better in each recurring case? What about all the asymptomatic people, will they have a bout but symptomatic? What about all the young people for whom at first an infection of Coronavirus is nothing more than ‘a simple cold?’
There’s also the possibility of false positives or false negatives.
So far, South Korea has over 50 people that were ‘cured’ and sent home only to return shortly with another bout of Covid. If immunity is impossible, people may life with the rebout for the rest of their lives or are killed by the disease.
DR has no case of this... yet.
With all due respect, people die of the flu every year, too, by the tens of thousands, and they are neither more or less tragic than with CV19. I know people who have had family die. I understand death.
I suspect the issue is the testing, many or most which do not return true, accurate results with many false negatives and positives.
The numbers have to be much worse than whats being reported. They just dont get it:
https://www.facebook.com/113588551994986/posts/3186424988044645/
https://www.facebook.com/113588551994986/posts/3186424988044645/
I can't believe that there are still people comparing Covid-19 to seasonal flu. This is beyond words.
Somebody needs to tell all the experts who have studied pandemics for the their entire lives that the entire world is doing it all wrong, and instead they should heed the advice of the armchair epidemiologists on the DR1 forum.
I don’t think most countries in the world would be shutting down if this was not very serious. Why would they do that. It was first heard of in China in December and now we are where we are. It spread so fast. I am hoping it is not that serious but when I see them disinfect surfaces in public areas around the world. Why do they do that ? I find it scary.
A Fact that Favors a Vaccine
You are right: There is no guarantee that a vaccine will be successful. But one fact that favors that success is that the SARS-CoV-2 virus, after repeated sequencing, remains highly conserved. The virus is an RNA molecule with about 3,000 BP's (Base Pairs). There are many groups now studying the function of its genes. Each gene is a protein that codes for a particular function. The genome is identification of the genes; the proteome is the identification of each gene's function. Repeated sequencing has shown that the BP's are continuing to remain very constant, i.e., that the rate of mutation is very low. There are various sub-types. Two have been identified as S and L. The difference between S and L is the difference between only a few nucleotides. It has been suggested that the reason that the virus is not mutating significantly is because there is no selective pressure ("natural selection") to do so and the reason for that is because the virus is transmitting between humans very successfully. As long as the virus does not begin significant mutation, then to that extent is it a fixed and not a moving target, and to that extent will the possibility of a successful vaccine be increased. This summary is not my opinion but a paraphrase of various science sources that I have read on this topic.
You are right: There is no guarantee that a vaccine will be successful. But one fact that favors that success is that the SARS-CoV-2 virus, after repeated sequencing, remains highly conserved. The virus is an RNA molecule with about 3,000 BP's (Base Pairs). There are many groups now studying the function of its genes. Each gene is a protein that codes for a particular function. The genome is identification of the genes; the proteome is the identification of each gene's function. Repeated sequencing has shown that the BP's are continuing to remain very constant, i.e., that the rate of mutation is very low. There are various sub-types. Two have been identified as S and L. The difference between S and L is the difference between only a few nucleotides. It has been suggested that the reason that the virus is not mutating significantly is because there is no selective pressure ("natural selection") to do so and the reason for that is because the virus is transmitting between humans very successfully. As long as the virus does not begin significant mutation, then to that extent is it a fixed and not a moving target, and to that extent will the possibility of a successful vaccine be increased. This summary is not my opinion but a paraphrase of various science sources that I have read on this topic.
Exactly what I was thinking. Those genomes and nucleotides can be tricky. :cheeky:
same with gagas in monte plata bateys. Took the police 3 hours to arrive. No one seems to have received the information that 10 minutes exposure under such circumstances is already too much.
They tried it from day one and strictest possible with no visitors under no circumstances. But someone has to take care of the elderly and feed them and that's the point at which the separation ends. No experts needed, tracing infections showed that already, its no prediction, its real, not possible.
Taking care of elderly is a poorly paid job and those doing that jobs from parts of the society with even higher infection rates and doing more then one job. Worst possible scenario and it showed in contact tracing. Like 20 dead elderly linked to the cleaning lady who worked as additional weekend job in that ski resort which was the hotspot of infections. Just one example.
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Seniors in the DR do not live in prison cells. They typically live with at least one adult child and one or more grandkids.The viejos go play Dominos at the Colmados or with their friends. They are not going to spent all day in a hot tin shack with no windows.
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?? they are both in the same family of respiratory illness, they both are transmitted in a similar manner and they BOTH kill a lot of people.
some people believe we all should be wearing hazmat suits with oxygen tanks and some believe we should be doing nothing. Most are reasonable people washing their hands, limiting large crowds and living life until this passes.
And here is the scientific evidence and epidemiological construct which these posters are basing their comparison on . . .
The comparisons speak for themselves.
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