Coronavirus - In the DR

[cobraboy]

But you did say "Let every one else resume normal life."
Normal life does not include wearing gloves and a mask and face shield to buy a loaf of bread.
So will you go first?

First of all, I do infact not wear a mask and gloves around the neighborhood. But I don't live in a barrio.

Secondly, I am required to wear at minimum a mask at the grocery store, and they limit the number of customers at a time. Their rules, and my only choices are to comply or not go in.

Thirdly, I would wear a mask---well not a mask, but a neck buff over my nose and mouth--- at the store, but not for MY protection. While I am responsible for my health and well-being, I want to be a good neighbor and civic minded do not want to worry or freak out others.

Wearing gloves unless a brand new pair, is not a suggested behavior because as soon as you touch anything, even with gloves, those gloves are contaminated and theoretically can spread the virus to everything you touch. Think sterile technique. And the virus can be in your clothes and shoes, so gloves are almost useless. Just wash your hands well, or slather on some sanitizer enough to damage the lipid case of the virus before touching your face or picking your nose.

How many people strip off their clothes and wash them immediately upon returning to your car after being in public? What? You don't? After being in an environment with an air-borne virus that supposedly gets on everything and is everywhere? Does not the virus have a 4m radius of exposure, 13'? Are you not theoretically walking through a virus cloud?

Do you sanitize the inside of your car after you've been to the store? What? You don't? Why not? Your clothes and gloves just contaminated all the surfaces.

But to your point: yes, I do think herd immunity is the way to go. Let those with the lowest risks go live their lives. Maybe some get sick, maybe they won't. But immunity will follow the sickness, and the more immunity, the better off we'd all be. Just keep the oldsters and those with conditions known to be a problem away from everyone until the herd is immune.

 

[alexw]

90% have co-morbidities. And the number of young and healthy who have died directly from CV19 is a teeny, tiny fraction.

Prove those statements wrong.

Or is "scared", lack of critical thinking and sheep-like behavior how you rule your life? Hey, it's your life. Sounds like a blast.

I endanger no one. I encourage all to think for themselves and not be led around by "authorities" who have lied to them before.

And, yes, my vast experience with HIV/AIDS does, in fact, elevate my understanding and knowledge beyond that of some DR1 noob innerweb guy with a chubby over what CNN tells him.

Even the "authorities" disagree with each other.

1. You are definitely an endangerment to anyone who reads your asinine posts that this is just a flu. Its been proven time and time again that it isnt. Stop with the FAKE NEWS already.

2. This isnt hiv/aids so your point is moot. And who really knows if you know anything about that. At this point youre just a clueless dr1 medical advisor. Besides Hiv/aids is not an airborne virus so this makes absolutely no sense. Which is common for you.

3. Cnn has nothing to do with this conversation. Save that for your politics thread.

4. 90% of death may have co-morbidities but this thing still operates in a much different manner than the typical flu. Simple research would tell you this but youd rather attack House with your nonsense.

5. Show us a stat that states that 90% of deaths of the regular flu come from people with co-morbidities. Since these things are so similar. You can survive the regular flu with diabetes or high blood pressure. This thing here is totally different. Stop your nonsense already!

 

[House]

Perhaps we can all agree that if you're going to post your opinion or alleged facts that the least you can do is post links backing it up. If you have no backup then you may want to think before you post.

Like this:

https://vitals.lifehacker.com/how-to-spot-a-fake-coronavirus-expert-1842780723

How to Spot a Fake Coronavirus Expert

Here’s the thing about a pandemic: It’s everywhere. Everybody wants to read something reassuring. Everybody wants to say something useful. Everybody thinks their perspective matters. And most of us should just shut up so we can hear the actual experts speak.

Just in the past 24 hours I’ve seen friends sharing information about the epidemiology of COVID-19 in which the authors and quoted experts include: a military historian, a computer scientist and a person who is famous for writing a non-scientific memoir. I shouldn’t need to say this, but folks: If you want to learn about epidemiology, look for a ****ing epidemiologist.

Here is my top tip to help you figure out who is qualified to speak on a subject: Look up what the person was an expert in before COVID-19 was a thing. If they studied infectious disease, or if they treated respiratory illnesses or if they worked on public health campaigns, great! Trust them if they’re speaking within their area of expertise.

But so, so often, they are not. Some people have just learned a factoid or two and are trying to run with it. In the case of journalists and politicians, gathering information about new worldwide happenings is part of the job—but that doesn’t make them qualified experts themselves. They should be citing solid sources.
I shouldn’t need to say this, but folks: If you want to learn about epidemiology, look for a ****ing epidemiologist.

The most rampant misinformation right now seems to consist of opinion pieces that say things people want to believe. These are mainly flimsy arguments, often based on nothing more than disconnected data points or pure speculation, that conclude we should reopen all the schools and workplaces and start having parties and visiting our friends again. That would be nice, wouldn’t it? Too bad the actual experts aren’t saying any such thing.

If you read something that tells you what you want to hear, take a look at who is delivering that tempting opinion. If they weren’t an expert in pandemics before this pandemic, stop reading. And if you do get swept away by something you read, fact check the hell out of it.

Beth Skwarecki

Beth is Lifehacker's Senior Health Editor. She has written about health and science for over a decade, including two books: Outbreak! and Genetics 101. Her Wilks score is 302.

 

[austriaco]

90% have co-morbidities. .

And then what? 50% of the population has preexisting conditions.

Is it ok to wipe out 50% of the population?

As someone pointed out, the last guy wiping out the weak part of the population was Adolf Hitler. No doupt the Nazis would with pleasure go for herd immunity. And more and more I read from certain political part of the spectrum explains the more arguments remind me of those dark times.

I am shoked by how many and how often the comorbidity is pointed out denying so many a right of life.


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[austriaco]

Funny thing, my wife is Dominican. I ask her every day if she or her mother or aunt know anyone with the virus and so far NADA, zero. Maybe she/they are just lucky.

s.

In Austria with 13000 cases I know absolutely no one who knows one with the virus. 0.

In the dominican republic i have a friend on the north coast with 2 dead in the extended family and in Santo Domingo a lawyer friend has several cases in her network and not talking about what doctors and enfermeras I know are saying.

Now even with my estimated 77 000 cases in DR every 129 is infected and I guess not diagnosed and not realy keen to tell others.

Based on how many cases my nerwork knows of in DR and how little in Austria I could guess it is either the networks are much larger in DR or my DR network is higher level or that there are more cases.


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[cobraboy]

And then what? 50% of the population has preexisting conditions.

Is it ok to wipe out 50% of the population?

As someone pointed out, the last guy wiping out the weak part of the population was Adolf Hitler. No doupt the Nazis would with pleasure go for herd immunity. And more and more I read from certain political part of the spectrum explains the more arguments remind me of those dark times.

I am shoked by how many and how often the comorbidity is pointed out denying so many a right of life.


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Godwin's Law? Really?

 

[cobraboy]

And then what? 50% of the population has preexisting conditions.

Is it ok to wipe out 50% of the population?

As someone pointed out, the last guy wiping out the weak part of the population was Adolf Hitler. No doupt the Nazis would with pleasure go for herd immunity. And more and more I read from certain political part of the spectrum explains the more arguments remind me of those dark times.

I am shoked by how many and how often the comorbidity is pointed out denying so many a right of life.


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The number of pre-existing conditions that are co-morbidities of this virus are limited, and age is not a "condition."

 

[nickdr]

Nick,
Is your POP-EWR flight on May 7th with United Airlines? If so, it looks like it won’t occur. United is currently not showing any flights to/from Puerto Plata until May 23rd.

If you go online and look at your reservation, it may not say “CANCELLED” yet. But it probably does say “A Modification Has Been Made to Your Itinerary”.

To confirm, try and book a ticket on UA for May 7th. It will say “no flights available”. If you go into the advanced settings, you can use “calendar view”. There it will show the first POP flight isn’t until May 23rd.

Let us know how you make out? Good luck and I hope you make it home soon. But right now, it looks like your only options are Delta and Jet Blue. Both flying out of Santo Domingo (SDQ). They are flying the planes into SDQ empty though. So I don’t imagine they will keep operating those flights for much longer?

Yes, you are correct. Our reservation is with United and it does say “A Modification Has Been Made to Your Itinerary”. I will try to call them later and see what this means.

I looked into JetBlue and looks like they have flights from SDQ to EWR starting May 1st; so we may consider that. If we can pay a local taxi driver to take us from Puerto Plata area to Santo Domingo airport, will we be allowed to travel after dark or before dark (will road blocks, etc be a problem?) I've never been to SDQ before but I understand it is a 5-6 hour drive.

 

[cobraboy]

I'll not take up anymore space in the thread bringing attention to your nonsense. There are enough others watching and correcting you that I can happily step back, for now.

Please quit endangering others with your uneducated theories. You're doing everyone a disservice.

I apologize to you, House.

I failed to notice would area a DR1 noob, or a maybe a sock puppet, without access to other areas of the forum where this and other topics are discussed in far greater detail.

This thread is limited to the DR, and since the global implications of CV19, not to mention the US, are vastly greater than our little corner of the planet, you are left with the scraps.

Your only knowledge of what I post is in this thread, where I don't post much compared to elsewhere, so you are unaware of the totality of my offerings.

This particular form of ignorance is not your fault.

Mea Culpa.

 

[drstock]

I endanger no one. I encourage all to think for themselves and not be led around by "authorities" who have lied to them before.

And, yes, my vast experience with HIV/AIDS does, in fact, elevate my understanding and knowledge beyond that of some DR1 noob innerweb guy with a chubby over what CNN tells him.

When it comes to understanding reality vs. what the media try to sell, it certainly is. The media was 100% wrong back then. They were spreading disinformation, even after being told how HIV was transmitted.

Are you suggesting that your point of view is not influenced by certain very popular US news organisations? Your constant putting down of CNN would suggest that it is. Why not look at news media from elsewhere around the world for a more balanced outlook.

 

[bob saunders]

I may be alone on this but I do not trust the numbers PLUS I would like to know how many deaths chalked up as death from this virus are actually from other pre-existing conditions.
Based on some of what I have read I don't trust the test.
If it were up to me I'd go with the Sweden method and let people get back to their lives. If businesses start to open I will be a customer.
Funny thing, my wife is Dominican. I ask her every day if she or her mother or aunt know anyone with the virus and so far NADA, zero. Maybe she/they are just lucky.
Drove down the Malecon today in POP, as expected highest count of people out and about to date, 287. (last high count was 145) Largest one group was 6 people mostly single person or 2's and 3's.

I know four people here in Jarabacoa that have tested positive and all are in their houses in various stages of recovery. One of our former students, who we are very close has the virus on Long Island, too soon to tell how she will do. She is young, 26 , but she is overweight. He husband has no symptoms and they won't test him yet.

 

[House]

I apologize to you, House.

I failed to notice would area a DR1 noob, or a maybe a sock puppet, without access to other areas of the forum where this and other topics are discussed in far greater detail.

This thread is limited to the DR, and since the global implications of CV19, not to mention the US, are vastly greater than our little corner of the planet, you are left with the scraps.

Your only knowledge of what I post is in this thread, where I don't post much compared to elsewhere, so you are unaware of the totality of my offerings.

This particular form of ignorance is not your fault.

Mea Culpa.

Interesting how you use the form of an apology to impugn. How condescending and insulting.

I've been reading DR1 for long enough to recognize many of the players of which you are in the minor leagues. There are credentialed professionals that post here and you'd do well to leave them bandwidth to contribute more. They offer valuable information.

So let's see if I can "smell what the Rock is cookin'".

It's your position that if one does not have access to the OT area that they are ignorant of the entire scope of your fine offerings to this site? That even if one has access to the entirety of the rest of this site and of the internet, formal education, libraries and a working brain that they are somehow lacking because they have not read what you deign to post there?

I call bullsh!t lol

I've perused far too many of your posts going back a decade or more and I'm confident that I'm missing nothing of consequence. I might have put you on ignore except that you posts need to be moderated, questioned, rebutted due to their suspect contents.

MY only consolation is that I'm far from the only one that can see through your nonsense.

Fake apology rejected. Please stop posting, you are harmful to the greater intellect.

 

[Caonabo]

Interesting how you use the form of an apology to impugn. How condescending and insulting.

I've been reading DR1 for long enough to recognize many of the players of which you are in the minor leagues. There are credentialed professionals that post here and you'd do well to leave them bandwidth to contribute more. They offer valuable information.

So let's see if I can "smell what the Rock is cookin'".

It's your position that if one does not have access to the OT area that they are ignorant of the entire scope of your fine offerings to this site? That even if one has access to the entirety of the rest of this site and of the internet, formal education, libraries and a working brain that they are somehow lacking because they have not read what you deign to post there?

I call bullsh!t lol

I've perused far too many of your posts going back a decade or more and I'm confident that I'm missing nothing of consequence. I might have put you on ignore except that you posts need to be moderated, questioned, rebutted due to their suspect contents.

MY only consolation is that I'm far from the only one that can see through your nonsense.

Fake apology rejected. Please stop posting, you are harmful to the greater intellect.

Yes, let us now resort to suppression of speech because some conceptions do not fit the popular narrative. Telling.

 

[Cdn_Gringo]

. If we can pay a local taxi driver to take us from Puerto Plata area to Santo Domingo airport, will we be allowed to travel after dark or before dark (will road blocks, etc be a problem?)

Once you know your flight details, you will need to monitor the travel restrictions. Currently:

Travel between provinces can be difficult
The curfew
Can you find a taxi driver who can take you to SD from the north coast and get back home before the curfew

I'm not sure if inter provincial travel will remain an issue. I would definitely suggest you arrive at SDQ before the curfew kicks in if it is still active at that point in time. You don't need the potential hassle or the delay. The time you arrive at the airport is probably going to be more dependent on when the taxi driver needs to leave to be home on time if you are not offering to pay for him to overnight in SD.

Pay attention to the travel restrictions as they change. Consider going to SD the day before your flight so it is a relatively straight forward process to get to the airport the day of your flight. Depending on departure time, you may have a long wait at the airport, bring a book and maybe something to eat.

Good luck.

 

[House]

Yes, let us now resort to suppression of speech because some conceptions do not fit the popular narrative. Telling.

Are you a sock-puppet for the wannabee Dr. Cobra or he for you. You go together like "hoof and mouth".

All your dislikes and negativity really hurt my feelings

 

[carlos]

90% have co-morbidities. And the number of young and healthy who have died directly from CV19 is a teeny, tiny fraction.

Prove those statements wrong.

Or is "scared", lack of critical thinking and sheep-like behavior how you rule your life? Hey, it's your life. Sounds like a blast.

I endanger no one. I encourage all to think for themselves and not be led around by "authorities" who have lied to them before.

And, yes, my vast experience with HIV/AIDS does, in fact, elevate my understanding and knowledge beyond that of some DR1 noob innerweb guy with a chubby over what CNN tells him.

Even the "authorities" disagree with each other.

Let’s save these type of comments about CNN for the politics thread.

No need to insert them here.

 

[Big]

And then what? 50% of the population has preexisting conditions.

Is it ok to wipe out 50% of the population?

As someone pointed out, the last guy wiping out the weak part of the population was Adolf Hitler. No doupt the Nazis would with pleasure go for herd immunity. And more and more I read from certain political part of the spectrum explains the more arguments remind me of those dark times.

I am shoked by how many and how often the comorbidity is pointed out denying so many a right of life.


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Hitler and Nazis in a virus thread, bizarre !! Whats not bizarre is bringing up comorbidity when discussing the virus on the island. Many here suffer from multiple medical problems and the causation many times is lack of education.

 

[carlos]

In case anyone has missed it, the topic is Covid and the DR.

Stay on topic and leave politics out of this thread.

If you disagree with someone’s point of view go after their opinion and not the person.

The last thing we want to do is ban you from participating in these discussions during these times but we will do it if you continue to defy the rules in place.

 

[Tamborista]

Deleted my remarks to avoid an email from Carlos with an infraction, I give up.

 

[cavok]

I've been reading DR1 for long enough to recognize many of the players of which you are in the minor leagues. There are credentialed professionals that post here and you'd do well to leave them bandwidth to contribute more. They offer valuable information.

Which posters here are credentialed professionals in virology, biophysics, or microbiology? I see many posters here with their opinion and some back their opinion up with solid sources, but many here are overnight google experts like mentioned in the article you posted. I'd like to know. I'll give their opinion more weight and considertion.