Coronavirus - In the DR

Cdn_Gringo

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Information from govt and the media always has be viewed with a cautionary and skeptical eye. Information is disseminated by these entities usually with a specific intent. Usually to support a particular point of view. The DR Govt. is no different. There has been and continues to be concerns about the covid numbers being released and how they are being gathered, interpreted and used. It's not just a matter of illness vs deaths. As mentioned this virus can have long lasting impacts on the health of those who become infected. It's not just a case of get sick and get better or die. Testing will probably never produce an accurate reflection of the reality of this disease at any given time. So when we hear that infection numbers are going up or down we can never be sure if that is the case or how much movement there has been in any given direction. Using these faulty stats to justify policy or protocol decisions is just a guessing game and the Govt knows full well that their numbers are inaccurate. That's the case here in the DR and elsewhere. The factual truth is obscured by flaws in the system or by deliberate intent. The the average person can never be sure which.

Citing the lack of dead people on street corners after a gathering as proof of anything disingenuous. This disease does not kill people where they stand. It causes them to suffocate somewhere where they are lying down. usually at home on in a hospital. The govt then gets to fiddle with these numbers for their own purposes and only then present the numbers to the public. The change in the curfew hours I believe has more to do with economics and public sentiment than anything to do with falling infection numbers. To paraphrase Windeguy, "the virus is still out there everywhere" and you too can catch it if you get too close to the wrong people. If you do catch it, you may be ok or you may not be. That's the problem. the media, the govt and the public health people can't really tell you for sure how your body will be affected by the virus. There still doesn't seem to be any sort of agreement on the best way to treat this infection and treatment is inconsistent from country to country, hospital to hospital. It's essentially a game of craps despite all the amateur doctors who insist that getting Covid-19 is no big deal. Easy for a noninflected person to say with no real skin in the game. Those that have been sick and recovered often tell a very different story which seems to be causally dismissed by those with an alternative point of view they wish to spread.

There is no denying that this pandemic has hurt people financially and ruined lots of businesses. It is also certain it will continue to do so until science can deal with this on a level above asking people to wear masks and distance themselves. However, the level of open hostility put forward by some when criticizing the efforts of govt to keep too many people from getting sick at the same time is a bit baffling and comes across as exceedingly callous and at times dismissive.
 

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The whole thing is a hoax and an experiment how far the governments can go in controlling the masses, and the sad truth is that they've discovered that in general the people are sheeple and very obedient.
So all the governments in the world (including the DR), the UN and the vast majority of medical professionals are in on this "hoax"? Wow, that's some brilliant organisation!
 

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So all the governments in the world (including the DR), the UN and the vast majority of medical professionals are in on this "hoax"? Wow, that's some brilliant organisation!
when people say it is a "hoax" I don't think they are saying the actually virus is a hoax. They are saying how the whole thing collectively is hyped up to achieve political goals. The common cold and the flu are out there and always will be. The treatment of these real viruses are a trillion dollar industry. Cold,flu and now covid are huge businesses. Lets just wait and see how quick things get back to normal after Nov 3.
 

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The best way to determine if things are getting better or not is to look at the chart of the number of deaths/day. If the trend is up, it's getting worse. If it's going down, it's getting better. Right now the chart shows things are getting better. Forget looking at the number of tests.
 

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The best way to determine if things are getting better or not is to look at the chart of the number of deaths/day. If the trend is up, it's getting worse. If it's going down, it's getting better. Right now the chart shows things are getting better. Forget looking at the number of tests.
Problem with that is there is a lag between infections and deaths.
 

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Anyone that can discount over 1,000,000 deaths from this as a hoax from Government agencies all across the World is a total MORON and does not deserve any response........................
Unfortunately this site does not have any fact checking and the local nuts post a substantial amount of nonsense.
My fave is that masks do nothing and the solution is to open up business and return to "normal".
Like that has not been tried over and over again in all parts of the world.
One definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Florida just opened up and is back to "normal" for a little while until the hospital beds fill up.

People without higher education have no faith in medical experts and science in general.

CV19 caused the economic collapse and there will be no recovery until the world deals effectively with the virus.
Spreading conspiracy theories, hoaxes and peddling medical nonsense like hydroxychloroquine treatments will only prolong and politicize the intelligent scientifically backed response that will open the door to recovery and the new normal.
 

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You are aware that there are some pretty big fudge factors in those numbers. In 2018 an estimated 228 million cases of malaria occurred worldwide and 405,000 people died, and that is with available medicine that works. Nobody went into lockdown or closed their economy.
Are you aware that malaria is spread by mosquitoes?
Are you aware CV19 is spread by breathing.
Ok lets agree that the numbers may be fudged. Its not a million and maybe its only 950,000 deaths from CV19 and rising.
We can avoid mosquitoes but we cannot avoid breathing.

Lockdown is a nonsense term.
Malaria is not spread in bars, restaurants and people in close contact with others.

You want to avoid malaria, then use high strength OFF with DEET.
To avoid CV19 spread we know what works and it is not hydroxychloroquine or opening up bars, restaurants and schools.
 

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I get a real kick out of the people that discount the dangers of Covid-19. EVERY ONE of them comes from a discontinued forum, and are following "you know who".

I guess it is hard for some to think for themselves......................
I get a kick out of people that think they are saving the world by wearing a face mask. Guess it makes them feel important.
 
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I have ZERO hope that any vaccine will be long lasting.... a patch at best , to date.

I have little faith in the death stats..... other than the US has 4% of the world's people and 20% of the deaths
Might be that the overweight, under exercised population get hit harder....
add a fragmented hospital system to that.

RD isn't much better... lots of overweight.... lots of diabetes.... not a great hospital base - fraught w/ problems

I do think the situation is improving....life is close to normal for many
We'll see how 9pm and 7pm work out
 
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Nobody's forcing you to go to bars and restaurants 😁. If you're scared of Covid stay home, problem solved. Let us the stupid ones live our lives normally, and if it turns out we were wrong we're all gonna die and you the smart ones will have the entire World to yourselves, without us idiots taking up space. 😂🤷‍♂️
Meanwhile, you "stupid ones" (your words) who hate all precautions are preventing the reduction of cases and possibly going on to give the virus that others that you come across. And you will probably be lucky enough not to die and continue spreading it.
For most of us who don't think like you, it's not a matter of being scared of the virus. I go out to bars and restaurants, but I take precautions as required by law and am content to do so, in order to do my bit to help to control the virus.
 

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234 confirmed cases. The good news is also in the considerable drop in active cases.

 
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Are you aware that malaria is spread by mosquitoes?
Are you aware CV19 is spread by breathing.
Ok lets agree that the numbers may be fudged. Its not a million and maybe its only 950,000 deaths from CV19 and rising.
We can avoid mosquitoes but we cannot avoid breathing.

Lockdown is a nonsense term.
Malaria is not spread in bars, restaurants and people in close contact with others.

You want to avoid malaria, then use high strength OFF with DEET.
To avoid CV19 spread we know what works and it is not hydroxychloroquine or opening up bars, restaurants and schools.
No shit Sherlock. The point is mosquito related diseases kill 2.7 million people a year but nobody is shuting down their economies for it and forcing people to take HCQ and spray themselves with Off or Deep Woods.
 
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You are aware that there are some pretty big fudge factors in those numbers. In 2018 an estimated 228 million cases of malaria occurred worldwide and 405,000 people died, and that is with available medicine that works. Nobody went into lockdown or closed their economy.


Malaria is NOT CONTAGIOUS.

Covid-19 . . . IS.

90% of Malaria deaths occur in rural sub Saharan Africa as per the CDC and WHO's average yearly statistics. Those deaths are caused by lack of prevention and treatment due to poverty, war, and other economic and social instabilities and have nothing to do with the fact that there is "available medicine that works".

"Nobody went into lockdown or closed their economy" ? ? ?

No, and now perhaps you can see why . . .
 
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No shit Sherlock. The point is mosquito related diseases kill 2.7 million people a year but nobody is shuting down their economies for it and forcing people to take HCQ and spray themselves with Off or Deep Woods.

Bob, school is opening soon. Is your wife's school opening up with no restrictions?
 
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Meanwhile, you "stupid ones" (your words) who hate all precautions are preventing the reduction of cases and possibly going on to give the virus that others that you come across. And you will probably be lucky enough not to die and continue spreading it.
For most of us who don't think like you, it's not a matter of being scared of the virus. I go out to bars and restaurants, but I take precautions as required by law and am content to do so, in order to do my bit to help to control the virus.
I think 'most of us" actually think the masks are useless and are ready to fully open everything including air travel without restrictions
 

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Some parents that I have spoken to about their kids retuning to school are still on the fence taking a wait and see attitude. As we have seen in other countries, the schools open up, kids pack in and then the schools have to close due to the spread of the infection. I expect most parents are expecting a similar scenario to play out here in the DR. You just can't put that many bodies into a confined indoor space and not expect transmission. Especially with kids who will not always not fiddle with their masks or wash their hands after touching some else's pencil. Schools just do not have the space to separate kids adequately in the classroom. If the parents do not want the virus coming home, most likely they will not send their kid(s) to class. At least until the schools demonstrate that they can control the spread of the virus between students and teachers, which I think will be unlikely.
 

chico bill

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Some parents that I have spoken to about their kids retuning to school are still on the fence taking a wait and see attitude. As we have seen in other countries, the schools open up, kids pack in and then the schools have to close due to the spread of the infection. I expect most parents are expecting a similar scenario to play out here in the DR. You just can't put that many bodies into a confined indoor space and not expect transmission. Especially with kids who will not always not fiddle with their masks or wash their hands after touching some else's pencil. Schools just do not have the space to separate kids adequately in the classroom. If the parents do not want the virus coming home, most likely they will not send their kid(s) to class. At least until the schools demonstrate that they can control the spread of the virus between students and teachers, which I think will be unlikely.
The parents here are praying the schools open.

The kids are in the starting blocks and ready to go back

How's that free internet and free laptop program working.

How many public schools actually have anything working in that regard ?