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We have not heard about Dengue this year nor other virtual or other pathogens that normally are reported In the D.R.

Yet we should now consider, or not, the real entrance of the seasonal flu. ???






I don't know about influenza here in the DR, but even from a completely cold hearted pure-economic perspective, the flu vaccine has a huge return on investment.

This pandemic reminds me of Florence Nightingale trying to bring sanity to the miserable conditions. It all fell on deaf ears as the military saw the soldiers as expendable. She finally gained some traction when she framed the problem as maintaining maximum manpower. Nevermind the human lives and horrific suffering. It was keeping men ready to fight that mattered.

The same with pandemics:. It doesn't matter if people die, suffer, or have lifetime health issues. The problem needs to be described in economic costs and keeping a workforce healthy enough to keep the economic machine humming.
 

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A 24hr lockdown in DR would not be like Columbia. Students actually study there! :ROFLMAO:

At any rate we don't have the systems, infrastructure and other resources to enforce a 24. If it were to happen I envision it being a loosely policed thing where you are allowed out for grocery and other essential. Folks left and right bullshitting police as to why they're out and police saying ok. It's been a free for all in the barrios and Campos outside of the major urban areas. If this is not a scam virus, then I doubt a 24 lockdown would help. It's been published by the rain makers for months now that as soon as 24 is up, folks jam back into the streets and virus ignites like wildfire

Agreed. Colombia, where as previously stated I spent 4 months last year having opened an office and Medellin with frequent trips to visit friends in Cartagena and Santa Marta, is much more capable of controlling their population (around 50 million people). I don't see this as a "good" thing but with the FARC and other armed factions to deal with over the years they have become very adept at control. There of course will be exceptions like here in some barrios.
 
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Agreed. Colombia, where as previously stated I spent 4 months last year having opened an office and Medellin with frequent trips to visit friends in Cartagena and Santa Marta, is much more capable of controlling their population (around 50 million people). I don't see this as a "good" thing but with the FARC and other armed factions to deal with over the years they have become very adept at control. There of course will be exceptions like here in some barrios.
Colombia and DR is a major paradigm shift. There is fear there. Here there is no fear. The only fear are the 3.5% that don't want the middle class to raise up any further
 
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That was very rude, uncalled for and hope you are kicked.

Not rude at all. I'm the same.

I used to run 5 miles every morning but a fall down some stairs put an end to that. Once one gets out of the habit it's tough to start again.

Once I am no longer working I expect I will start again. Slowly.

My memory is just as bad these days
 

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Russia claims to have vaccine!
Russia using an unproven vaccine is like taking a new as yet unflown airliner with a full load of passengers on a transatlantic flight.
Could cause some issues. I find all of the jabber about vaccines to be disingenuous with their false hope.
 

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Has this worked anywhere in the world so the virus is totally eliminated?
It only took one case to get the world where it is.
isolating, masks, and social distancing have never totally eliminated the virus to the best of my knowledge.
The goal of changing behaviors is to reduce community spread.
Once spread is reduced then the effectiveness of testing and tracing is improved.
I think we can forget about eliminating this virus in our lifetimes.
Get used to masks and anti virus behaviors.
Even the countries that have been most effective at severely reducing community spread still experience flare ups.
Countries like the DR that were slow to respond and allowed the spread to continue are having a difficult time reducing spread.
Just a few short months ago the US president was downplaying the cases at 15 and now look at the spread.
No one so far has eliminated it.
Being a small country is an advantage for the DR if they begin to act decisively.
A sloppy undisciplined response will make the epidemic worse and fast.
 

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isolating, masks, and social distancing have never totally eliminated the virus to the best of my knowledge.
The goal of changing behaviors is to reduce community spread.
Once spread is reduced then the effectiveness of testing and tracing is improved.
I think we can forget about eliminating this virus in our lifetimes.
Get used to masks and anti virus behaviors.
Even the countries that have been most effective at severely reducing community spread still experience flare ups.
Countries like the DR that were slow to respond and allowed the spread to continue are having a difficult time reducing spread.
Just a few short months ago the US president was downplaying the cases at 15 and now look at the spread.
No one so far has eliminated it.
Being a small country is an advantage for the DR if they begin to act decisively.
A sloppy undisciplined response will make the epidemic worse and fast.
I agree. I stated at the beginning that this virus is here, there and everywhere to stay.
All the vaccine development in the world won't completely eliminate it. We will all have to learn to live with it.

The set up of certain governments like the off topic one you mention does not allow the central government there
to take actions that are up to the individual locales. "There" is not the same as "Here".

The DR has the ability to for the central government to control all of the local governments, but this requires States of Emergency approval with specific time limits by the Chamber of Deputies and Senate for such wide ranging total control. The incoming government will have total control of all parts of the government (no checks and balances) and be able to do what it wants with one huge limitation. That limitation is the nature of the Dominican people.

Unfortunately the social nature of people here is not going to bode will for social distancing and compliance with regulations
to "flatten the curve".
 
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ability does not count for much unless there is strong resolve and decisive action.
The DR could respond in an effective way but it will not be popular.
You see elected officials willing to take the risk?
The incoming administration has said during the election and recently that they would install more stringent measures.
After August 16, we will see if they do or not. I have no idea if they will do what they say.

If they do, I do not see the Dominican people responding well.
 

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This Is What May Happen When A COVID Vaccine Is Approved
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The world has been taken up by the coronavirus storm only about 5 months ago, and yet, it feels like a whole lifetime. Life has undoubtedly changed, and even those of us counting down the days to the long-awaited solution, probably understand by now that there isn’t going to be a clear cut ending. Having a working vaccine will be a major leap forward, but according to experts, it won’t mean life will just switch back to what it was pre-pandemic. “This is not going to be one of those light switch things when all of a sudden we have a vaccine and everyone is vaccinated. It’s going to take some time,” said Hilary Godwin, dean of the University of Washington’s School of Public Health.
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So how exactly will life look once the coveted vaccine arrives, and what can we expect a vaccination process to look like? We rounded up the opinions and predictions of public health and mental health experts.


Related: How Accurate Are COVID-19 Tests?
The Vaccine Race
Researchers around the world are working on more than 165 vaccines; more than two dozen are already being tested in people. Early human studies focus on safety and finding the best dose. The four major front-runners, which are heeded towards the larger phase III trials.
Two of the leading candidates, the relatively young company Moderna, and Pfizer (in collaboration with BioNTech), are basing their approach on novel methods. They use genetic material from the coronavirus called messenger RNA, or mRNA. Unlike traditional vaccines, which expose the body to a viral protein to stimulate the immune system, mRNA acts as an instruction kit, telling the body how to construct the proteins itself. While the results are overall encouraging so far, experts note that there is a potential risk in relying so heavily on unproven techniques as new technology can sometimes cause unforeseen problems or side effects.
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Another hopeful candidate is the vaccine being developed by Oxford University and drugmaker AstraZeneca. Early studies have shown that the Oxford vaccine stimulates the immune system as intended, and larger-scale studies are currently underway. Meanwhile, several Chinese companies are advancing in the race to find a vaccine, with Beijing based company SinoVac showing the most promising results and launching a phase III trial of its vaccine in Brazil.
Related: There Are Now More Medical Factors Raising the Risk of Severe COVID-19
Why a vaccine will not magically eradicate the novel coronavirus
With all this excitement about the impressive speed at which the vaccines are being developed, it is also raising some concern among health professionals. “It’s great that the science is moving quickly, but it also creates limitations in terms of what we know about the efficacy of the vaccines,” said Aparna Kumar, a nurse-scientist and assistant professor at Thomas Jefferson University, to Huffington Post.
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Apart from that, Kumar also notes a vaccine may not eradicate COVID-19 but will act more similarly to the flu vaccine, which is about 40% to 60% effective, depending on the year and strain of the flu. While the flu vaccine prevents many people from getting severely ill and from the disease spreading as widely as it could have, we still know that many people are going to catch it. Kumar noted that it’s extremely difficult to truly discuss the effectiveness of a Covid-19 vaccine before it’s distributed to the general public.
That leads us to the other reason an approved vaccine will not be a magic wand - distribution issues. Manufacturing enough doses and distributing them in a timely manner will not be a simple task at all, according to Tony Moody, a physician-scientist at Duke University. “We make billions of doses of the influenza vaccine every year — but doing that for a new product and having the ability to get it rapidly distributed is going to be really challenging.”
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5 Lesser Known Ways to Lower Your Covid-19 Infection Risk
https://www.ba-bamail.com/video.aspx?emailid=35683
The long-term cultural consequences of the pandemic
There is no doubt individuals and societies are profoundly affected by major events that occur in their lifetime. Just as those who lived through the Great Depression might have different tendencies than someone who did not, it is expected that modern-day society will be shaped by the Covid-19 pandemic in more ways than just the health aspect. These are the behavioral and cultural changes experts are predicting, for the days after the pandemic's end.
Wearing a mask will become the norm - many experts claim that wearing a face mask in public spaces is likely to stick around and become a part of the culture in western countries, namely the US. Wearing a mask to protect yourself may become a norm, the way it was in many Asian countries in recent years.
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Work culture - The way we treat work and career life is already shifting and transforming before our very eyes, and experts predict this new form is likely to stick around. The imposed lockdowns made many industries adopt working from home routines and technologies like Zoom in a capacity that would not have happened otherwise. The realization that work can be accomplished remotely is likely to make most companies more flexible in allowing it, as well as have significantly fewer business trips.
Major concerts and sporting events - Unfortunately, it seems that crowded games and packed concerts will not be a part of the new normal, at least for a long while. “It’s going to be hard to convince people to go back to large gatherings that are simply for entertainment or recreational purposes. I doubt we’re going to have big events with tens of thousands of people coming together,” Moody said.
The safety measures required for holding a large-scale performing arts or sporting events in an enclosed venue may prove to be too much. To ensure distancing venues may need to charge twice as much because they can only fill half as many seats, which will make these events out of reach for many people, an undoubtedly problematic situation. It is likely that outdoor social gatherings, where there is fresh air circulation, will become even more of the norm.
At the end of the day we shouldn't forget, we have all been dealing with this situation, every day 24/7, in the past few months. Despite the unimaginable shifts and turns in our lives in the past months, it’s natural to lose track of the way the pandemic affects the small details of our daily lives, mood, and consciousness. When looking at the big picture, Covid-19 will have many fascinating long-term effects, even after a vaccine is approved.
 
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The jabber I refer to is that a vaccine will somehow save the world. I find that extremely disingenuous.
It is my opinion that is not true at all. We are years away from seeing if a vaccine will help much, if at all.

Does that explain my opinion based upon everything I have seen so far?

It is not about "complaining", it is about seeing reality. What did I "complain" about? Other than many are touting vaccines that are completely unproven?
I certainly have no secret true hope. I am a realist.
Are you an epidemiologist?
I follow the disease and I have not seen a single expert tout a vaccine as saving the world or being years away.
Admittedly untested and dangerous Russia is already using their vaccine.
The smallpox vaccine was in use about 1800 and it took 200 years to eliminate the disease.
Pandemic experts say we will have a vaccine by the end of the year.
You complained about listening to jabber.
We can put our efforts into improved treatment protocols and vaccine development.
Behavioral changes are difficult when we have people refusing to cooperate for the general welfare.
Even with a good vaccine we will not get 100% response.
Combining social modification and a vaccine looks most effective.
This disease is here to stay and we should be willing to be responsible and adjust to the new normal.
Life has changed.
 

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In my opinion, the information in post 4,650 has a realistic discussion on vaccines and the future of CV19.
 

windeguy

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Are you an epidemiologist?
I follow the disease and I have not seen a single expert tout a vaccine as saving the world or being years away.
Admittedly untested and dangerous Russia is already using their vaccine.
The smallpox vaccine was in use about 1800 and it took 200 years to eliminate the disease.
Pandemic experts say we will have a vaccine by the end of the year.
You complained about listening to jabber.
We can put our efforts into improved treatment protocols and vaccine development.
Behavioral changes are difficult when we have people refusing to cooperate for the general welfare.
Even with a good vaccine we will not get 100% response.
Combining social modification and a vaccine looks most effective.
This disease is here to stay and we should be willing to be responsible and adjust to the new normal.
Life has changed.
It is not the experts jabbering. It is the media. The jabber is in the media. Does that explain what I mean by jabber? The media is disingenuous
in how they report new developments. I posted an article that , I think, is quite realistic on what to expect. A vaccine is not going to fix everything in a short period of time, if ever. We are not disagreeing if you look at what I am actually saying. A main stumbling block will be people and their willingness to "obey".
 

zoomzx11

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This Is What May Happen When A COVID Vaccine Is Approved
By: Helena M.

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The world has been taken up by the coronavirus storm only about 5 months ago, and yet, it feels like a whole lifetime. Life has undoubtedly changed, and even those of us counting down the days to the long-awaited solution, probably understand by now that there isn’t going to be a clear cut ending. Having a working vaccine will be a major leap forward, but according to experts, it won’t mean life will just switch back to what it was pre-pandemic. “This is not going to be one of those light switch things when all of a sudden we have a vaccine and everyone is vaccinated. It’s going to take some time,” said Hilary Godwin, dean of the University of Washington’s School of Public Health.
girl face mask transportation

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So how exactly will life look once the coveted vaccine arrives, and what can we expect a vaccination process to look like? We rounded up the opinions and predictions of public health and mental health experts.


Related: How Accurate Are COVID-19 Tests?
The Vaccine Race
Researchers around the world are working on more than 165 vaccines; more than two dozen are already being tested in people. Early human studies focus on safety and finding the best dose. The four major front-runners, which are heeded towards the larger phase III trials.
Two of the leading candidates, the relatively young company Moderna, and Pfizer (in collaboration with BioNTech), are basing their approach on novel methods. They use genetic material from the coronavirus called messenger RNA, or mRNA. Unlike traditional vaccines, which expose the body to a viral protein to stimulate the immune system, mRNA acts as an instruction kit, telling the body how to construct the proteins itself. While the results are overall encouraging so far, experts note that there is a potential risk in relying so heavily on unproven techniques as new technology can sometimes cause unforeseen problems or side effects.
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Another hopeful candidate is the vaccine being developed by Oxford University and drugmaker AstraZeneca. Early studies have shown that the Oxford vaccine stimulates the immune system as intended, and larger-scale studies are currently underway. Meanwhile, several Chinese companies are advancing in the race to find a vaccine, with Beijing based company SinoVac showing the most promising results and launching a phase III trial of its vaccine in Brazil.
Related: There Are Now More Medical Factors Raising the Risk of Severe COVID-19
Why a vaccine will not magically eradicate the novel coronavirus
With all this excitement about the impressive speed at which the vaccines are being developed, it is also raising some concern among health professionals. “It’s great that the science is moving quickly, but it also creates limitations in terms of what we know about the efficacy of the vaccines,” said Aparna Kumar, a nurse-scientist and assistant professor at Thomas Jefferson University, to Huffington Post.
vaccine covid-19

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Apart from that, Kumar also notes a vaccine may not eradicate COVID-19 but will act more similarly to the flu vaccine, which is about 40% to 60% effective, depending on the year and strain of the flu. While the flu vaccine prevents many people from getting severely ill and from the disease spreading as widely as it could have, we still know that many people are going to catch it. Kumar noted that it’s extremely difficult to truly discuss the effectiveness of a Covid-19 vaccine before it’s distributed to the general public.
That leads us to the other reason an approved vaccine will not be a magic wand - distribution issues. Manufacturing enough doses and distributing them in a timely manner will not be a simple task at all, according to Tony Moody, a physician-scientist at Duke University. “We make billions of doses of the influenza vaccine every year — but doing that for a new product and having the ability to get it rapidly distributed is going to be really challenging.”
May also interest you:


5 Lesser Known Ways to Lower Your Covid-19 Infection Risk
https://www.ba-bamail.com/video.aspx?emailid=35683
The long-term cultural consequences of the pandemic
There is no doubt individuals and societies are profoundly affected by major events that occur in their lifetime. Just as those who lived through the Great Depression might have different tendencies than someone who did not, it is expected that modern-day society will be shaped by the Covid-19 pandemic in more ways than just the health aspect. These are the behavioral and cultural changes experts are predicting, for the days after the pandemic's end.
Wearing a mask will become the norm - many experts claim that wearing a face mask in public spaces is likely to stick around and become a part of the culture in western countries, namely the US. Wearing a mask to protect yourself may become a norm, the way it was in many Asian countries in recent years.
desktop woman

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Work culture - The way we treat work and career life is already shifting and transforming before our very eyes, and experts predict this new form is likely to stick around. The imposed lockdowns made many industries adopt working from home routines and technologies like Zoom in a capacity that would not have happened otherwise. The realization that work can be accomplished remotely is likely to make most companies more flexible in allowing it, as well as have significantly fewer business trips.
Major concerts and sporting events - Unfortunately, it seems that crowded games and packed concerts will not be a part of the new normal, at least for a long while. “It’s going to be hard to convince people to go back to large gatherings that are simply for entertainment or recreational purposes. I doubt we’re going to have big events with tens of thousands of people coming together,” Moody said.
The safety measures required for holding a large-scale performing arts or sporting events in an enclosed venue may prove to be too much. To ensure distancing venues may need to charge twice as much because they can only fill half as many seats, which will make these events out of reach for many people, an undoubtedly problematic situation. It is likely that outdoor social gatherings, where there is fresh air circulation, will become even more of the norm.
At the end of the day we shouldn't forget, we have all been dealing with this situation, every day 24/7, in the past few months. Despite the unimaginable shifts and turns in our lives in the past months, it’s natural to lose track of the way the pandemic affects the small details of our daily lives, mood, and consciousness. When looking at the big picture, Covid-19 will have many fascinating long-term effects, even after a vaccine is approved.
I will be happy and grateful for 60% effectiveness in a vaccine.
Adjusting to the new normal is challenging but I do not see where it is a choice.
My gripe is the few who refuse to adjust and dilute the effectiveness of most who try and change their behaviors.
We all want a return to the good old days but it is not happening in this lifetime.
 

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I will be happy and grateful for 60% effectiveness in a vaccine.
Adjusting to the new normal is challenging but I do not see where it is a choice.
My gripe is the few who refuse to adjust and dilute the effectiveness of most who try and change their behaviors.
We all want a return to the good old days but it is not happening in this lifetime.
There will be a lot more than a few who refuse to do what they are told. At least that is my opinion.
Just take a look at how many are arrested for curfew violations or watch the news to see all of the traffic at night in Santo Domingo.

It is my opinion that the new normal, for it to work, will be more like Sweden. But as others have correctly pointed out, the DR ain't Sweden by any
stretch of the imagination.
 

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Talking about Sweden, seems the DR may not want to follow its example. Diya Chacko, editor for the Los Angeles Times, observes today in his commentary on herd immunity the following:

“Sweden, whose light-touch coronavirus strategy drew international attention and speculation about the possibilities of herd immunity, now has one of the highest COVID-19 mortality rates in Europe — one that’s worse than that of the United States. Plus, it appears to be nowhere near reaching herd immunity, with only 7% of the population testing positive for coronavirus antibodies. “In light of these findings, any proposed approach to achieve herd immunity through natural infection is not only highly unethical, but also unachievable,” wrote two virologists in the journal the Lancet.”
 
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There will be a lot more than a few who refuse to do what they are told. At least that is my opinion.
Just take a look at how many are arrested for curfew violations or watch the news to see all of the traffic at night in Santo Domingo.

It is my opinion that the new normal, for it to work, will be more like Sweden. But as others have correctly pointed out, the DR ain't Sweden by any
stretch of the imagination.
Talking about bad timing.
 

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Talking about Sweden, seems the DR may not want to follow its example. Diya Chacko, editor for the Los Angeles Times, observes today in his commentary on herd immunity the following:

“Sweden, whose light-touch coronavirus strategy drew international attention and speculation about the possibilities of herd immunity, now has one of the highest COVID-19 mortality rates in Europe — one that’s worse than that of the United States. Plus, it appears to be nowhere near reaching herd immunity, with only 7% of the population testing positive for coronavirus antibodies. “In light of these findings, any proposed approach to achieve herd immunity through natural infection is not only highly unethical, but also unachievable,” wrote two virologists in the journal the Lancet.”

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Talking about Sweden, seems the DR may not want to follow its example. Diya Chacko, editor for the Los Angeles Times, observes today in his commentary on herd immunity the following:

“Sweden, whose light-touch coronavirus strategy drew international attention and speculation about the possibilities of herd immunity, now has one of the highest COVID-19 mortality rates in Europe — one that’s worse than that of the United States. Plus, it appears to be nowhere near reaching herd immunity, with only 7% of the population testing positive for coronavirus antibodies. “In light of these findings, any proposed approach to achieve herd immunity through natural infection is not only highly unethical, but also unachievable,” wrote two virologists in the journal the Lancet.”
Sweden admitted the mistake early on when they killed off a bunch of old people by not protecting them.

Please take a look at how Sweden is actually doing today versus most of the world. Here is a link,

Look at the daily deaths and new cases as of right now. Then please comment on that compared to almost every other country:

 
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