Dominicans and blacks

[ClippedWing]

Larry, it seems as if you are suggesting that all native black Americans are "wallowing and lamenting". Well, I purposefully joined this forum to let you know that such isn't the case. Many, many, many black Americans ARE NOT wallowing and lamenting. Many are "busy making things work for them" too. Your comment is very cynical because it suggests that every Jew has gotten over the Holocaust. I ask you, Do you know every Jewish person in the world? No. And you certainly do not know every native black American.

Very well stated. But don't expect Larry to respond. He and others like him turn a deaf ear when people actually make sense and choose to ignore profound thoughts like this because that would require them to rethink their initial stance and perhaps a change in their views. And that's way too scary.

But you are absolutely correct though. Excellent points.

 

[Larry]

I came back to delete my post. Not worth it.

Have a nice weekend.

Larry

 

[sancochojoe]

Why did I know that a small handfull on this thread would turn it into a blood bath.

Then you have people proud about stuff that only the laws of nature had determine. Yet people walk around talking as if they gave GOD a check list that said what color they want to be and where they will sit in society.

amazing from indentification and origins of different races to
"I'm proud to be white"

typical, typical, typical.

 

[XanaduRanch]

... amazing from indentification and origins of different races to "I'm proud to be white" typical, typical, typical.

And I assume, Joe, that you also then express the same distaste for anyone spouting "I'm proud to be black", right? Just interesting that you chose the quote you did - white, not black.

I think folks need to take a deep breath and realize that a sepration needs to made between skin color, and ethnicity. When someone says "I am proud to be black" I don't automatically take that to mean, "I think my skin color looks really good with this yellow shirt." Although I am sure there are those out there. You know who you are. What it usually means, and should mean, and should be considered inocuously, is that "I am proud of my heritage and culture." Nothing wrong with that! In that context saying "I am proud to be white" is not a threatening statement.

Why do some people immediately think of skin color when hearing the words black or white when you know just as well as I do that those words also define a culture, not just a person's melanin content. Hmmmmmmm?

Tom (aka XR)

P.S.
Larry, wish you hadn't deleted your post. I saw it before and thought it was a well considered and well made 'last word'

DISCLAIMER: I have not read very much of this thread, nor do I care to. The topic has been discussed many times here and always devolves into a shouting match about oppression. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. No thank you.

 

[Criss Colon]

There is a huge difference between "Getting Over"

.and using something as an "Excuse" for failure! The Jews will never "Get Over" the Holocaust,and they will never forget! They and "WE"should not!
"Negroes" however continue to blame their current problems on "Slavery"! PAAAAAALLLLEEEEEEZZZZZZ"!
I have NEVER hear this excuse in the Islands of the Carribean!

Try 39 % of Afro-American households run by single females! Might try "Blaming" the "Bros" who only make babies,but don't stick around to raise them!Must be a "Legacy" of that old Bugaboo,Slavery!

Even I am "Suffering"from the legacy of Slavery here in the DR,I am raising the son of a"Tigere" who chose to "Give & Go"!He is too busy lamenting that his ancestors were brought to the DR in chains to raise his children.But not to busy not to father several more on the "Give & Go" plan!!


CC

 

[ClippedWing]

DISCLAIMER: I have not read very much of this thread, nor do I care to. The topic has been discussed many times here and always devolves into a shouting match about oppression. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. No thank you.

You can read the thread because it was actually a decent and stimulating conversation with several posters just exchanging thoughts. Notice how this thread has remained unlocked far longer than other topics on race, because people were actually engagining in respectful and enlightening discourse. It wasn't until the numb nut twins decided to come in and spin it to fit their agenda and go way off topic.

Larry, Houman came out of lurkmode to address you specifically. Funny how you can't respond to this poster who laid out some very well thought out points and approached you respectfully and nonargumentively, you actually ignored several posts in this thread where you were responded to in a non argumentative way, funny how you can't respond to posts that require you to be rational but you'll jump at the chance to respond to posts where you can be defensive and argumentive.

I saw that you had posted soon after my last post and I chose not even to read it because it was filled with nothing but venom. Glad to see you erased it.

 

[Criss Colon]

This Thread remains open ONLY because the moderatos haven't seen it for a while!

Maybe I can Moderate this forum too! I would have closed it LONG Ago! I got the "T-Shirt" too.And the Hat ! CC:beard:

 

[XanaduRanch]

CW, you should have read it. If you didn't read it, please explain how you can charaterize what was in it? Isn't that the same thing, dear, as saying "I don't need to listen to clippedwing. She's black. That tells me all I need to know." In case you don't recognize the answer to that hypothetical, the answer is: "Yes. It is."

Larry's post was nothing of the sort. Concise and directly to the point. You are the poorer for not having seen it and understood it.

Be fair, and argue the points please, not the poster. As you said, the threads done well til now. Don't aim it southward.

Tom (aka XR)

 

[sancochojoe]

CW

Thats why they won't get my response.
Its just a Virus that spreads.

Its also funny that Colon would close the thread
after he was the one initiating most of the venom
after a decent discussion

Incredible.

 

[Larry]

CW,
Do me a favor and drop it...I did a long time ago. I have nothing against you but I refuse to discuss any race issues with you (that includes when we meet in person). I dont want my comments to be misinterpreted so I wont make any more in this thread. Over and done with.

Having said that I am looking forward to meeting you on the 12th.

Larry

 

[ClippedWing]

Re: There is a huge difference between "Getting Over"

.and using something as an "Excuse" for failure! The Jews will never "Get Over" the Holocaust,and they will never forget! They and "WE"should not!
"Negroes" however continue to blame their current problems on "Slavery"! PAAAAAALLLLEEEEEEZZZZZZ"!
I have NEVER hear this excuse in the Islands of the Carribean!

Try 39 % of Afro-American households run by single females! Might try "Blaming" the "Bros" who only make babies,but don't stick around to raise them!Must be a "Legacy" of that old Bugaboo,Slavery!

Even I am "Suffering"from the legacy of Slavery here in the DR,I am raising the son of a"Tigere" who chose to "Give & Go"!He is too busy lamenting that his ancestors were brought to the DR in chains to raise his children.But not to busy not to father several more on the "Give & Go" plan!!


CC

Criss can you please point out where a black person in this thread has blamed their problems on slavery?

I have never once in my entire life ever had a conversation with another black person where they sat around and said.. "Gee, i can't pay my electric bill because my people were slaves" "Gee, I can't feed my children tonight because my ancestors were slaves" or "Gee, my car broke down because of slavery" "Gee, I can't find a sitter because of slavery"

I think you equate people of color complaining about their everyday lives as somehow meaning they blame slavery. I think it's a personal issue of yours and you read deep in between lines that really aren't there.

Now racism is alive and kicking. You yourself are a racist. You think you're superior because of your skin color. You do not think all humans are equal, you think that race is the deciding factor on whether a person has ability or not. For example you don't think blacks even know how to talk correctly. You use "ebonics" when no black person on this board talks like that. You throw around terms like "Negro" and "Darkie" even though they're derogatory. But you don't care because you are White and you feel you're superior and you can do that.

You have serious superiority issues. You have never once ever said anything positive about the black race. Every mention it's about something negative from you. But I see you self destructing, I see you falling apart. You're own hatred is going to be your downfall.

 

[sancochojoe]

Well let me explain pride.....

This is Sancochojoe's interpretation

When any race claims pride for their color one tends to say, how can you be proud about something you have no control over.
So then we have to look at what are people truly saying when they say "I'm proud to be black" and "i'm proud to be white"

Either group has the right to say "I'm proud, but when I look at the two groups, especially in the states, the term black pride became popular in the black community in the 70's, because that was the beginning of blacks being able to voice their feelings with out reprocussion.

Then, from observation, extreme white activist, out of frustration of blacks REACTED and started using the term. When I mean extreme, I mean KKK, Skin heads, and White American Nazis

Now why did blacks use the term.

USUALLY when people use the term pride, they use it due to overcoming hardships. i.e. I'm proud where I came from, growing up in the projects, OR I'm proud of being gay, OR I'm proud of being born blind, or proud of my country even though it's riddled with wars and dictatorships., OR i'm proud to be American because I'm free etc etc. All examples of past and present hardships and people overcoming them historically or present.

So you say why Blacks use it so much, well its not because of just being black, but because of what they overcame FOR BEING BLACK. So I won't give a history lesson for that, because many of you don't beleive it, and if you do you want blacks to forget it.

Thats why when I hear a black person say it and a white person say it in the US, TO ME at has two different meanings. When a black person says it most people even whites know where they are coming from.

Past
Cant vote
employement
cant look at a white woman
slavery
cant get a loan

present
racial profiling
business loans and government contracts
Bank loans - loan processor making little marks on applications to indicate to the lender what color the applicant is.
being followed in department stores
"White Flight" for those that don't know - when at least 10% of blacks move into a white community, white residents start to move out
employment and medical
Apartment rental -claim it's not available only to say its available to the following white applicant.
selling your home - being told to take any refrence of being black off your walls in order to sell to whites
opponents of Affirmative action

Many proven through hidden cameras, programs on 60 minutes and the like.

The present being more trying because they are not as tangable as in the past and it's much easier for the abuser to claim they didnt do anything wrong.


But when whites say "I proud to be white", it would be best to elaborate and whe they do, there is no substance to the claim. There is no denyal whites have hardships, but usually some elaborate such as "Growing up in the steel mill or poor in the Appolachain Mountains. But all those were not overcoming hardships due to them being white. It is far more excepting hearing a Jew say they are proud of being a Jew, because we alll understand the hardships they came from.

Now XanaduRanch as you said do I express the same distaste?
It depends on your motivation for using the word "Pride"

 

[Robert]

I have been keeping an eye on it, just been waiting to see how it evolved. Looks like it's not evolving

Everyone has their personal opinions on race and color.
Whether they are right or wrong is just another opinion.

I'm sure 1 or 2 of you would have issues with my own
opinions, that's why I keep out of these type of threads
and just sit back and lurk. I suggest some of you do the same.

Thread Closed.