Haiti is the reason the unification with the DR isn’t more advanced?

bob saunders

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Oh member Big,

I worked hard all my life and was sufficiently successful that I have been retired for most of a decade.

I’m free to travel when, where, and for as long as I desire. I unlike you have more than enough and don’t need to work. I’m your worst nightmare; a bleeding heart, educated, long haired, leftwing, socialist, hippy with freedom and all the time in the world.
oxymoron- educated and socialist.
 

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Enough of the back and forth.

Haitians are to blame for Haiti's problems. The sooner they accept this truth the sooner they can start working towards solving Haiti's problems.

Personally I do not believe they (collectively) are intelligent enough to achieve this on their own as they have repeatedly shown the rest of the world they are not.

Short of being re-colonized they will never have a functioning country again.
How emphatic of you.

How wrong. How harsh. What a nasty and untrue thing to say.

I’ve met Haitians” in many countries and they we all hardworking and entrepreneurial and well educated or at least well spoken in many languages.

I would choose hanging out with them than you, each and every day. This persona of yours at least.
 
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bob saunders

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Oxymoron- educated and socialist. Sound more like a Champagne socialist, made enough money in a capitalist society to retire early. Cristo is correct, and so are you. Individual Haitians are hardworking and intelligent; collectively they couldn't organize a gangbang in a w....house.
 

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Again, isn't the topic "Haiti is the reason the unification with the DR isn't more advanced...
 
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Back on topic

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I vote unequivocally for sending all illegals out of the DR. No one here illegally should be allowed to stay.

That much is true.. however deportation may relieve immediate pressures, the long-term effects could create economic and social challenges for DR. Now, as a sovereign country DR has the right to enforce its immigration laws and decide how to manage illegal immigration, including mass deportation if they choose to.

Sovereignty gives countries the authority to protect their borders and regulate the entry of individuals. However, how these actions are carried out can have significant ethical, humanitarian, and diplomatic implications.



@Chellow wrote:

"We need to consider to send all Haitian back, or unify the two nations"

On that note: "Political Union"

This is complex and challenging due to historical tensions, cultural differences, "economic disparities" and for the most part Political Sovereignty. A balanced approach that respects sovereignty while addressing humanitarian concerns is crucial AND appropriate.
 

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Dumbar, the DR has decided to deport 10,000 illegals per week. That is a challenging number to attain each and every week over the next few years before the job would be completed. Of course it will have an impact on many aspects of the DR since there are so many illegals.

A unification of the DR with Haiti has so little chance of happening it is not worth discussion. I would say the chance of that was zero.
 
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Oh member Big,

I worked hard all my life and was sufficiently successful that I have been retired for most of a decade.

I’m free to travel when, where, and for as long as I desire. I unlike you have more than enough and don’t need to work. I’m your worst nightmare; a bleeding heart, educated, long haired, leftwing, socialist, hippy with freedom and all the time in the world.
What type of work did you do, RT?
 
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JLSawmam

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Bringing this back to the topic a little, the general negativity of Dominicans toward Haitians is also a big reason it's hard to imagine any unification. Perhaps younger generations aren't as affected, but it certainly does exist. I remember, shortly after arriving here, my then girlfriend saying something to the effect "all Haitians are bad" and I replied "do you know them all?" And that's when the fight began!
 
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Bringing this back to the topic a little, the general negativity of Dominicans toward Haitians is also a big reason it's hard to imagine any unification. Perhaps younger generations aren't as affected, but it certainly does exist. I remember, shortly after arriving here, my then girlfriend saying something to the effect "all Haitians are bad" and I replied "do you know them all?" And that's when the fight began!
They are not all bad, just the ones that are illegal.
 
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How would you know if there were any Gringo deportations? Really, it's both a numbers issue and a use of government supplied aid. There are thousands upon thousands of illegal Haitians, many using public hospitals and Pharmacies, and schools. There are probably less than a couple of thousand, if that many, illegal Gringos and they don't use government provided services. There is the fact that the Haitian government and Haitian people are traditionally not friends of the Dominican Republic.
I would love to respond to your question "How would you know if there were any Gringo deportations?", which is obvious to anyone who knows gringos living here, but we have been instructed to remain on the topic of

Haiti is the reason the unification with the DR isn’t more advanced?​

 
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bob saunders

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I would love to respond to your question "How would you know if there were any Gringo deportations?", which is obvious to anyone who knows gringos living here, but we have been instructed to remain on the topic of

Haiti is the reason the unification with the DR isn’t more advanced?​

5 armed invasions, and now just an illegal alien invasion would certainly be reason enough for no unification. There are also a host of other reasons, including Dominicans embrace all their heritage where Haitians only embrace their Africanest. I know lots of Gringos. I don't know their immigration status but I don't know any that have been deported, other that one Cuban American, and that was for suspected sexual abuse of children.
 

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They are not all bad, just the ones that are illegal.
A broad brush stroke...does that mean all that are here legally are automatically "good?" And, those that entered legally but through circumstances out of their control are now illegal...they went from good to bad? Putting people in a category and forgetting they are people is never right.
 

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Bringing this back to the topic a little, the general negativity of Dominicans toward Haitians is also a big reason it's hard to imagine any unification. Perhaps younger generations aren't as affected, but it certainly does exist. I remember, shortly after arriving here, my then girlfriend saying something to the effect "all Haitians are bad" and I replied "do you know them all?" And that's when the fight began!
One thing I have noticed since I've been here is that the negativity you speak of is not prevalent at all in the Christian churches I've attended. I've actuall talked to a couple of pastors about this and they both said that attitude doesn't really exist in the church. Given that I'm no longer Catholic and have no communication with those churches, I can't comment on their attitude except to note that Catholics are the overwhelming majority here.
 

bob saunders

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One thing I have noticed since I've been here is that the negativity you speak of is not prevalent at all in the Christian churches I've attended. I've actuall talked to a couple of pastors about this and they both said that attitude doesn't really exist in the church. Given that I'm no longer Catholic and have no communication with those churches, I can't comment on their attitude except to note that Catholics are the overwhelming majority here.
nothing to do with religion. I know a lot of catholic nuns and priests. They have no issues with Haitians, and even have a large presence in Haiti.
 

JD Jones

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What’s with all the personal questions from moderators?
Wow! Touchy, touchy. What with you being very successful and all, I was hoping maybe I could get some idea on how to be successful too!

After all, in your own words: "It’s a matter of sharing perspective and knowledge."
 
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