Many Haitians Oppose International Intervention

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Thousands of people in the crisis-torn Haiti have taken to the streets of the capital Port-au-Prince against the government’s decision to seek foreign military assistance to quell gang-related violence, with police using tear gas to disperse protesters.

Demonstrators on Monday shouted against the “foreign occupation” and demanded the resignation of Prime Minister Ariel Henry, who on Friday asked international partners for “the immediate deployment of a specialised armed force, in sufficient quantity” to stop the “criminal actions” of armed gangs across the country.


MIAMI — A group of Haitian community and religious organizations said Oct. 11 there should be no military intervention in Haiti and that the Biden Administration should take action against Haiti's ruling class in responding to their homeland’s current crisis.

“This crisis that has put Haiti on the brink is a staged effort to direct intervention,” said Leonie Hermantin, director of development and communications at Sant La.

“Intervention means that there will be no system change,” she said. “Intervention means that people will not be able to fight for justice, for the just transparent government that they want that everybody else has.”

Those Haitians I talk to are split on this. I'm not sure where I sit. I hate seeing what is happening now but if the US and Canada back Ariel then nothing will ever change.
 
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Those Haitians I talk to are split on this. I'm not sure where I sit. I hate seeing what is happening now but if the US and Canada back Ariel then nothing will ever change.
Kind ofca damned with you do, damded if you dont.
 
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Build a completely kickass wall, make entry into the DR impossible and check on them every now and again. Eventually they may come around and see that the way they are doing things just does not work.
That country is so out of control they can't even see a viable way out of their despair.
If it's been said once here its been said 1000 times, you can't help people that won't help themselves
 

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Build a completely kickass wall, make entry into the DR impossible and check on them every now and again. Eventually they may come around and see that the way they are doing things just does not work.
That country is so out of control they can't even see a viable way out of their despair.
If it's been said once here its been said 1000 times, you can't help people that won't help themselves
"they may come around" .. maybe in 25years.. and thats a big maybe. if they keep passing down gibberish as their first language they will repeat and repeat
 
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According to the CBC, Canada has sent armored vehicles to Haiti to aid in their current crisis. The article did not state that any soldiers went with the vehicles. It would be impossible for any politician to risk even one Canadian life in that shit show of a country
Hopefully these vehicles work better than some of the crap we sent to Ukraine
 

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According to the CBC, Canada has sent armored vehicles to Haiti to aid in their current crisis. The article did not state that any soldiers went with the vehicles. It would be impossible for any politician to risk even one Canadian life in that shit show of a country
Hopefully these vehicles work better than some of the crap we sent to Ukraine
Who is going to shepherd the Haitians to learn to operate them?
 

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(Tribune News Service) — The United States has drafted a United Nations Security Council resolution that will encourage the "immediate deployment of a multinational rapid action force" to Haiti to address the nation's worst security and health crisis in decades, according to a copy of the resolution obtained by McClatchy and the Miami Herald.

The draft resolution, confirmed by multiple U.S. and U.N. officials, comes in response to a call by U.N. Secretary General António Guterres last week for the establishment of a rapid reaction force to assist the Haitian National Police. Over the past four weeks, powerful armed gangs have all but sent the country into anarchy, blockading the country's largest fuel terminals and cutting off its critical roadways.

It is the first public indication so far that the Biden administration is willing to participate in a military force in Haiti — although the resolution does not specify what role various nations would play.

A U.S. source familiar with the drafting of the resolution said that the multilateral force would not be under the supervision of the U.N. or assembled under Chapter VII of the U.N. Charter, which endorses the use of force for the maintenance of peace.

The violence and lack of governance in Haiti has led to a shortage of potable water and a burgeoning cholera outbreak, alarming the international community and forcing the Biden administration — long reluctant to intervene in Haiti militarily — to acknowledge last week that the status quo has become untenable.

If the draft resolution remains unchanged, and the Security Council adopts it, the U.N. would encourage "the immediate deployment of a multinational rapid action force to support the (Haiti National Police) as recommended in the Secretary-General's letter," according to the draft.

It is still unclear whether China or Russia, two permanent members of the Security Council, will support the resolution. China has been critical in recent months of the international community's approach to Haiti and has called for a stronger arms embargo on the Caribbean nation.

The United States is also seeking a U.N. mechanism that will levy international sanctions against Haiti's gang leaders.

This week, the U.S sent an elite disaster assistance response team to Port-au-Prince, deployed a major Coast Guard vessel to patrol the Haitian coast and issued visa restrictions on prominent Haitians involved in the violence.

On Saturday, flights from both Canada and the U.S. are expected to land in at the Port-au-Prince airport carrying critical security assistance, including armed vehicles ordered by the Haitian police, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

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Doing nothing is not working.
The international community is doing that right now and we see how that is working out.
Is it a crime problem or civil war?
That question needs to be answered before anything is done from the outside.
 

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The United States is also seeking a U.N. mechanism that will levy international sanctions against Haiti's gang leaders.
What kind of sanctions can you levy against gangs? No dessert for a week? Timeouts?
 

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Who is going to shepherd the Haitians to learn to operate them?
Leave the keys in it and the best car thief has him or herself a armored truck. Mount a 50 caliber machine gun on the roof let's see what happens.
 

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What kind of sanctions can you levy against gangs? No dessert for a week? Timeouts?
If it is indeed true that the rich finance the gangs to do their bidding perhaps these individuals would be a better target for sanctions:

 

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An Armed Forces of Canada Boeing C-17A Globemaster III aircraft arrived in Haiti Saturday, delivering the first four of more than a dozen new armored vehicles for the Haiti National Police.
The vehicles are among 18 Haiti’s government purchased commercially from a Canadian-based firm over the summer but for inexplicable reasons were delayed getting to the Caribbean nation. The government of Canada, which had guided Haiti through its purchase, later stepped in to ensure delivery of the vehicles.

Saturday’s flight is part of a stepped-up effort by both Canada and the United States, which is also flying in support later Saturday, to provide the Haiti National Police with badly needed security assistance to confront powerful gangs.
READ MORE: U.S. will support sending ‘multinational rapid action force’ to Haiti
After four weeks, gangs continue to block the distribution of fuel from the country’s main terminal, Varreux, in Port-au-Prince while also engaging in attacks on other ports, police stations and kidnappings.
The alliance of gangs, known as the G-9 Family and Allies, has used trailers to block access to the terminal and seaports, as well as dug trenches along the road.
Just as the Canadian armed forces flight was offloading the tan-colored armored vehicles on the runway at Port-au-Prince’s Toussaint Louverture International Airport Saturday, the operators of the Varreux terminal issued an appeal for help. The facilities had “suffered a new attack by armed men” on Friday night, one of the tweets said. “Individuals entered the compound via the northern evacuation portal neighboring Cité Soleil, overpowered the surveillance and emergency [protocols], then left with 4 tank trucks and filled drums with more than 28,000 gallons of petroleum products.”
 
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Doing nothing is not working.
The international community is doing that right now and we see how that is working out.
Is it a crime problem or civil war?
That question needs to be answered before anything is done from the outside.
Too late, something is already being done.
 

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Those Haitians I talk to are split on this. I'm not sure where I sit. I hate seeing what is happening now but if the US and Canada back Ariel then nothing will ever change.
If not Ariel, and I'm not arguing "for" him, just asking, then who? And how will anyone from the inside manage to climb to the "top" and be recognized without assistance?

The right leader has to be found inside, that, I agree with, even though I can't name them, but can they survive long enough to succeed without outside assistance?

This, the issues plaguing Haiti, are far too complex to just spontaneously fix themselves, and I have seen nothing since the Big earthquake, and little in the decade before that, to offer much hope. I wish for things to change, for peace and stability, progress and a much better standard of living for Haitians, for prosperity and options for self-governance, but I see no path for it yet, and certainly not without outside assistance providing resources and offering guidance.

Is there realistic hope for this to be done internally? Not that I can see but I'm open to learning more.